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funny, you posted a link ? unlike the wicked, russian stooge-seeing oracles.
did you really think that you factually trying to document the american deliberate slaughter of the civilians in iraq having ANY impact on these apologists of the us military crimes ? did you really think that the reputable international sources of the us nuclear crimes in iraq are going to make the vlad haters to pose for a second ?
you didn't even mention the horrendous, totally deliberate and calculated - and not even argued historically - deliberate, haynous crimes against the japanese civilians in hiroshima and the german civilian in drezden and berlin...
don't count on the drunk and insecure.
don't count on the 2-3 brain-washed (perhaps more) americans on this board bent on seeing american troubles elsewhere
count on the REFLECTIVE and intellectually honest patriots of america like glen irondan, scott, aphro, patrick, beach, chubakka etc, sorry if i missed ahandle....
they say what they dislike about the american enemies and competitors. BUT they dont pretend america holds the moral high ground. they dont whitewash russia, iran, china etc , but they showed plentiful concern for the country they were born in and love and consider first and foremost responsible for its own fate.
i will take those intellectually honest americans each and every time over the humanitarian fakes and the military fanatics.
interesting website.ScienceIsCool said:
funny, you posted a link ? unlike the wicked, russian stooge-seeing oracles.
did you really think that you factually trying to document the american deliberate slaughter of the civilians in iraq having ANY impact on these apologists of the us military crimes ? did you really think that the reputable international sources of the us nuclear crimes in iraq are going to make the vlad haters to pose for a second ?
you didn't even mention the horrendous, totally deliberate and calculated - and not even argued historically - deliberate, haynous crimes against the japanese civilians in hiroshima and the german civilian in drezden and berlin...
don't count on the drunk and insecure.
don't count on the 2-3 brain-washed (perhaps more) americans on this board bent on seeing american troubles elsewhere
count on the REFLECTIVE and intellectually honest patriots of america like glen irondan, scott, aphro, patrick, beach, chubakka etc, sorry if i missed ahandle....
they say what they dislike about the american enemies and competitors. BUT they dont pretend america holds the moral high ground. they dont whitewash russia, iran, china etc , but they showed plentiful concern for the country they were born in and love and consider first and foremost responsible for its own fate.
i will take those intellectually honest americans each and every time over the humanitarian fakes and the military fanatics.
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Translation. "I can't call people names directly because it is against the rules, so I will do it obliquely instead."python said:
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translation: the one endlessly demanding the names of those who exposed him or his views or debunked his false allegation or those he called names - from being stooges, to being cowards - is suddenly faking not seeing himself among those i called the intellectually honest americans.djpbaltimore said:
Psstt...now would be a good time for condemnation for Russia after their whopper that I posted above. But if your hate for the US and people like mccain blind you to the obvious, then by all means carry on with your partisan blinkers on. The rest of us will discuss things in an adult manner without resorting to name calling. Feel free to join when you come to your senses. If not, enjoy wallowing in your myopia and continue your personal vendettas against people who have pointed out the vast inconsistencies and absence of logic in your opinions.
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clearly, the venal, irrational, self-loathing hatred was demonstrated by a dude calling the folks pointing to the fog of war in aleppo, calling them the stooges of a foreign power. yep, no one went branding his well known partisan views.
yep, b/c some folks did not go along with his assumptions he pulled the lowly insult. and now, when he's not listed among the numerous american posters with the more reflective attitude he called it the hate for america and americans.
can anyone imagine a more arrogant and ignorant interpretation of some plain things written plainly ?
again, sparky, pointing that irondan, chubakka, glen, scott, aphro, patrick, etc etc - all self admitted americans - pointing that them lack your veenal zealotry and are more reflective - is NOT anti-american or hating america.
it is, sparky, an expression of confidence in the americans and america different from your hateful viewss. that they co-inside with a mental dolt like mc cane is also revealing - a self-loathed demorcrat choosing to side with the dinosaur of the cold war is another proof of you faking it.
yep, b/c some folks did not go along with his assumptions he pulled the lowly insult. and now, when he's not listed among the numerous american posters with the more reflective attitude he called it the hate for america and americans.
can anyone imagine a more arrogant and ignorant interpretation of some plain things written plainly ?
again, sparky, pointing that irondan, chubakka, glen, scott, aphro, patrick, etc etc - all self admitted americans - pointing that them lack your veenal zealotry and are more reflective - is NOT anti-american or hating america.
it is, sparky, an expression of confidence in the americans and america different from your hateful viewss. that they co-inside with a mental dolt like mc cane is also revealing - a self-loathed demorcrat choosing to side with the dinosaur of the cold war is another proof of you faking it.
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Did they say they weren't going to use them then did? Yes, they lied and used them against an ISIS convoy in 2 days of attacks and 5000 some rounds. Syria now a 'Radioactive wasteland? Not quite.
But you and python hate anything American, I get it. Disconcerting to see WW2 mentioned(by Python), and not mention the holocaust, the rape of Nanking, the Bataan death march, the number of US POW that died at the hands of the Japanese..that was an awful war.
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busted, sparky, it is not very productive to ascribe your own emotional attitude - read your your hatred - to others you have very limited ability to reason with.
killing civilians intentionally by the american military is very much a counter point to your incessant whining about the alledged barrel bombs in syria. you probably can't reason normally that using and spreading the radioactive munitions after saying they wont in iraq and now syria is much worst. it is worst b/c it slowly kills and poisons many more civilians among them little kids.
yes, and it is absolutely proper to talk of the civilians of hiroshima and drezden INTENTIONALy, PURPOSELY burned alive by the american bombs, including the nuclear weapons. it is proper and 100% right b/c it is hypocrites like you pointing fingers and pounding own chest as if the americam military can claim the high moral ground.
if syria is not yet a radioactive waste, it is probably b/c - unlike in iraq - american m.e. advantures were not allowed to go freely.
read sparky about how iraqi civilians are now dealing with the consequences of the us military using radiactive munitions
Radiation danger raises concern, controversy in Iraq
http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2017/02/radioactive-contamination-remnants-war-pollution.html
when you fully reflect on the crimes of your own military, you may get the moral right to whine about others.
killing civilians intentionally by the american military is very much a counter point to your incessant whining about the alledged barrel bombs in syria. you probably can't reason normally that using and spreading the radioactive munitions after saying they wont in iraq and now syria is much worst. it is worst b/c it slowly kills and poisons many more civilians among them little kids.
yes, and it is absolutely proper to talk of the civilians of hiroshima and drezden INTENTIONALy, PURPOSELY burned alive by the american bombs, including the nuclear weapons. it is proper and 100% right b/c it is hypocrites like you pointing fingers and pounding own chest as if the americam military can claim the high moral ground.
if syria is not yet a radioactive waste, it is probably b/c - unlike in iraq - american m.e. advantures were not allowed to go freely.
read sparky about how iraqi civilians are now dealing with the consequences of the us military using radiactive munitions
Radiation danger raises concern, controversy in Iraq
http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2017/02/radioactive-contamination-remnants-war-pollution.html
when you fully reflect on the crimes of your own military, you may get the moral right to whine about others.
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It would be good if you too would use the same standard for every party involved in Syria or other war zones.python said:
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Mention all you want but mention Japanese and German atrocities also. Like the V1 and V2, purposely targeting London.
I have the moral right to say anything I want. BUT be fair in your disdain for the US and include Russia, Japan and Germany as well as many others, probably your own country, whatever that is. I take it you are a civilian. Nobody hates war more than those who choose to fight it.
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Mention all you want but mention Japanese and German atrocities also. Like the V1 and V2, purposely targeting London.
I have the moral right to say anything I want. BUT be fair in your disdain for the US and include Russia, Japan and Germany as well as many others, probably your own country, whatever that is. I take it you are a civilian. Nobody hates war more than those who choose to fight it.
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nothing justifies killing innocent. that's why crimes of other can't justify the DELIBERATE incinerating of Japaneses women and children. if you want to talk about the Japanese atrocities, post it. i may contribute. but when you want to point to others crimes as a right to intentionally kill civilians, expect questions.
you recently started using the big words like hatred and disdain. expect being called on it. your own disdains i previously considered a limited perspective of a brain washed, yet dignified, , military. it was an obvious mistake on my part. you can say whatever you want but when it is the stubborn, stupid, incessant repeats that other professional military intentionally kill civilians, you open yourself and the americam military to a retort which is much more appropriate given the non-stop wars.Bustedknuckle said:
nothing justifies killing innocent. that's why crimes of other can't justify the DELIBERATE incinerating of Japaneses women and children. if you want to talk about the Japanese atrocities, post it. i may contribute. but when you want to point to others crimes as a right to intentionally kill civilians, expect questions.
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Back to the original subject. Russia and Syria purposely and intentionally targeted Syrian civilians as part of a terror campaign in Aleppo. That is no doubt. The USAF, USN and USMC aircraft, in this conflict have never INTENTIONALLY targeted civilians.
WW2, often described as 'total war', was awful. Japanese atrocities are well documented. German atrocities(Holocaust) are well documented. The idea of war is to hurt the enemy more than they hurt you..and get both sides to the bargaining table as soon as possible.
There are more than a few books and articles on how the nuclear weapons used ended WW2, and prevented perhaps more than a million casualties. Yes, yes, there are many 'counter points', and yes, the US targeted 2 civilian cities, as Japan and Germany did, also. There are also more than a few books on Germany's attempt to make a nuclear weapon, and an aircraft to deliver it to the east coast of the US.
Hardly anything justifies war either. BUT the US didn't nuke Japan 'because of' the Bataan death march or the way POWs were treated by the Japanese. It wasn't 'punishment'. In total war, punishment, revenge has no place.
It was a way to make Japan hurt, thereby ending the war. Same for Germany. If Japan had surrenderted, the US wouldn't have used the Nukes, just because and anyway.
AND via the $ of the US, Japan and Europe(Germany) was rebuilt, to be able to be the places they are today.
And again, which country are you from? Not the US, that's for certain.
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Back to the original subject. Russia and Syria purposely and intentionally targeted Syrian civilians as part of a terror campaign in Aleppo. That is no doubt. The USAF, USN and USMC aircraft, in this conflict have never INTENTIONALLY targeted civilians.
WW2, often described as 'total war', was awful. Japanese atrocities are well documented. German atrocities(Holocaust) are well documented. The idea of war is to hurt the enemy more than they hurt you..and get both sides to the bargaining table as soon as possible.
There are more than a few books and articles on how the nuclear weapons used ended WW2, and prevented perhaps more than a million casualties. Yes, yes, there are many 'counter points', and yes, the US targeted 2 civilian cities, as Japan and Germany did, also. There are also more than a few books on Germany's attempt to make a nuclear weapon, and an aircraft to deliver it to the east coast of the US.
Hardly anything justifies war either. BUT the US didn't nuke Japan 'because of' the Bataan death march or the way POWs were treated by the Japanese. It wasn't 'punishment'. In total war, punishment, revenge has no place.
It was a way to make Japan hurt, thereby ending the war. Same for Germany. If Japan had surrenderted, the US wouldn't have used the Nukes, just because and anyway.
AND via the $ of the US, Japan and Europe(Germany) was rebuilt, to be able to be the places they are today.
And again, which country are you from? Not the US, that's for certain.
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When World War II is dealt with on mainstream media or in books here in Europe which happens almost everyday, then 95% of the time, it mentions the Holocaust, so it's a bit of fresh air to deal with it without referring to it (or even better to discuss past wars other than WWII and other than WWI).
Nobody mentions rapes by GI's against French women, the Dresden bombing, the bombings of Belgian cities such as Leuven (500 dead) or Mechelen, of French cities such as Le Havre or Rouen, racism within the US Navy and when Allied crimes are remembered such as Hiroshima or Nagasaki, it's approved of
(which shows how inhuman the modernist society is !!!). But then again, why constantly refer to World War II? Nothing has happened ever since or happened before? It's as if you have a good alibi, fighting the Foul Beast. You were the goodies against the vilains. Why don't you like to deal with all you've done in Vietnam, Laos and Cambodgia? Or in Yugoslavia, Iraq and Lybia? Or on your own territory against Amerindians or against Southerners? Agent Orange and depleted uranium?
And then you say that we hate everything that is American. Who saw the Trump election with optimism and who not? I have my doubt about Trump though since he's appointed Zionists at key posts but his electoral agenda was very interesting. The thing is that the America that I love is the one you hate: the America of the Wild West. Geronimo's America. The Cajuns' America. Not the big cities on both coasts, Disneyland or Hollywood. So stop being a Calimero. It's a bit like Jewish paranoia whining that the whole world is anti-Semitic whenever anybody expresses criticism against the said community/culture.
It's too easy.
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Echoes said:Bustedknuckle said:
When World War II is dealt with on mainstream media or in books here in Europe which happens almost everyday, then 95% of the time, it mentions the Holocaust, so it's a bit of fresh air to deal with it without referring to it (or even better to discuss past wars other than WWII and other than WWI).
Nobody mentions rapes by GI's against French women, the Dresden bombing, the bombings of Belgian cities such as Leuven (500 dead) or Mechelen, of French cities such as Le Havre or Rouen, racism within the US Navy and when Allied crimes are remembered such as Hiroshima or Nagasaki, it's approved of
But then again, why constantly refer to World War II? Nothing has happened ever since or happened before? It's as if you have a good alibi, fighting the Foul Beast. You were the goodies against the vilains. Why don't you like to deal with all you've done in Vietnam, Laos and Cambodgia? Or in Yugoslavia, Iraq and Lybia? Or on your own territory against Amerindians or against Southerners? Agent Orange and depleted uranium?
And then you say that we hate everything that is American. Who saw the Trump election with optimism and who not? I have my doubt about Trump though since he's appointed Zionists at key posts but his electoral agenda was very interesting. The thing is that the America that I love is the one you hate: the America of the Wild West. Geronimo's America. The Cajuns' America. Not the big cities on both coasts, Disneyland or Hollywood. So stop being a Calimero. It's a bit like Jewish paranoia whining that the whole world is anti-Semitic whenever anybody expresses criticism against the said community/culture.
I mentioned WW2 because Python mentioned it. You Like trump's agenda, find it interesting? Then you mention Zionists, racists, in his administration? You love how the US government tried to eliminate Native Americans?
Yes, the US has done some awful things, not the least of which is GulfWar2, which in no small part created the chaos now present in the ME and was instrumental in creating ISIL, as the Sunnis were further marginalized by the corrupt puppet Shite Government installed and supported by the US(Much like Diem in SouthVietnam, except Diem was assassinated by the US).
BUT lots of disgust to go around, at just about every nation on earth, at one time or another. I don't give the US a pass but I also recognize other countries(yours?) shouldn't get a pass either.
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I guess you are having issues reading as I never suggested that. Additionally, what do you know about being reflective? Judging by your posting in this thread, looking in the mirror is not something that you do on a regular basis.python said:
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"Hundreds of people danced and celebrated in the Azizya neighbourhood, where the public Christmas tree had gone unlit since rebels took the eastern half of the city in 2012. Giant posters depicted Assad and his Christian ally, Russian President Vladimir Putin."
http://time.com/4617957/aleppo-christians-christmas-syria/
So how do you think Syrians feel about the "rebels"? About Russia "deliberately targetting" them and their families? Those celebrations in East Aleppo are awfully magnanimous for people who were being slaughtered.
This is a much more balanced take on the situation: http://indianexpress.com/article/opinion/web-edits/world-media-is-presenting-two-different-narratives-of-aleppo-syrian-civil-war-heres-how-4430702/
Also, there is a huge moral divide between Russia in Syria and things like the invasion of Iraq. Syria is defending itself from a civil war that has been infused by foreign head-choppers, billions in cash, and literal boatloads of US weapons including TOWs and MANPADS. I think it's perfectly legitimate for the Syrian government to accept help from its allies. Iraq was invaded by a foreign army and all Iraqi opposition (i.e., the insurgents) was crushed such as in the destruction of Fallujah. I find a lot of parallels with the occupation of France and the French Resistance.
In other words, I don't see what choice the Syrian government has. Crush the foreign terrorists with help from its friends or cede the nation to the Saudi/American financed head choppers. People are going to get killed.
John Swanson
Bustedknuckle said:
"Hundreds of people danced and celebrated in the Azizya neighbourhood, where the public Christmas tree had gone unlit since rebels took the eastern half of the city in 2012. Giant posters depicted Assad and his Christian ally, Russian President Vladimir Putin."
http://time.com/4617957/aleppo-christians-christmas-syria/
So how do you think Syrians feel about the "rebels"? About Russia "deliberately targetting" them and their families? Those celebrations in East Aleppo are awfully magnanimous for people who were being slaughtered.
This is a much more balanced take on the situation: http://indianexpress.com/article/opinion/web-edits/world-media-is-presenting-two-different-narratives-of-aleppo-syrian-civil-war-heres-how-4430702/
Also, there is a huge moral divide between Russia in Syria and things like the invasion of Iraq. Syria is defending itself from a civil war that has been infused by foreign head-choppers, billions in cash, and literal boatloads of US weapons including TOWs and MANPADS. I think it's perfectly legitimate for the Syrian government to accept help from its allies. Iraq was invaded by a foreign army and all Iraqi opposition (i.e., the insurgents) was crushed such as in the destruction of Fallujah. I find a lot of parallels with the occupation of France and the French Resistance.
In other words, I don't see what choice the Syrian government has. Crush the foreign terrorists with help from its friends or cede the nation to the Saudi/American financed head choppers. People are going to get killed.
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The US didn't intentionally target civilian hospitals, schools and market places with cluster bombs during GW2. The Syrian government has EVERY RIGHT to defend itself. I think removing Al-Assad(butcher that he is) would leave a vacuum much like Iraq in 2003. Big mistake, IMHO BUT
Don't bomb neighborhoods with schools and hospitals with Russian made, non precision, cluster bombs that are being dropped from Russian aircraft being flown by Russia aircrew. Don't drop barrels full of explosives on neighborhoods populated by women and children...You imply these neighborhoods are enclaves of rebel fighters and so deserve to be completely destroyed. Get on the ground, even use Russian troops, and complete the ground war against the 'rebels', and stop killing children with ball bearings.
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The US didn't intentionally target civilian hospitals, schools and market places with cluster bombs during GW2. The Syrian government has EVERY RIGHT to defend itself. I think removing Al-Assad(butcher that he is) would leave a vacuum much like Iraq in 2003. Big mistake, IMHO BUT
Don't bomb neighborhoods with schools and hospitals with Russian made, non precision, cluster bombs that are being dropped from Russian aircraft being flown by Russia aircrew. Don't drop barrels full of explosives on neighborhoods populated by women and children...You imply these neighborhoods are enclaves of rebel fighters and so deserve to be completely destroyed. Get on the ground, even use Russian troops, and complete the ground war against the 'rebels', and stop killing children with ball bearings.
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To be honest, I simply haven't seen anything that shows Russia or Syria is deliberately targeting hospitals, schools, and neighborhoods in the way you describe. Like the US and most other nations, Russia has a very professional military. I simply can't see a Russian naval aviator, or your equivalent, doing something that you wouldn't have.
I agree that to avoid some civilian deaths, you'd need to get into the city and fight street by street. However, even this could get extremely bloody and could lead to some wholesale slaughter. Remember, those "rebels" weren't just Syrians wanting a better life for other Syrians. They were composed of militant Salafists who don't chopping a few heads to get their way. Syria as a nation is composed of Christians, Muslims, Alawites, Druze, Yazidis and a whole bunch more. Just saying.
Anyways. Boots on the ground. I still agree that would have been the best way to take Aleppo. The big problem? Russia simply doesn't have that kind of force projection capability. They have no way to open and maintain the kind of supply lines that are necessary.
John Swanson
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To be honest, I simply haven't seen anything that shows Russia or Syria is deliberately targeting hospitals, schools, and neighborhoods in the way you describe. Like the US and most other nations, Russia has a very professional military. I simply can't see a Russian naval aviator, or your equivalent, doing something that you wouldn't have.
I agree that to avoid some civilian deaths, you'd need to get into the city and fight street by street. However, even this could get extremely bloody and could lead to some wholesale slaughter. Remember, those "rebels" weren't just Syrians wanting a better life for other Syrians. They were composed of militant Salafists who don't chopping a few heads to get their way. Syria as a nation is composed of Christians, Muslims, Alawites, Druze, Yazidis and a whole bunch more. Just saying.
Anyways. Boots on the ground. I still agree that would have been the best way to take Aleppo. The big problem? Russia simply doesn't have that kind of force projection capability. They have no way to open and maintain the kind of supply lines that are necessary.
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Google 'Russia targeting civilians in Aleppo' and get 7 sources who say they are plus video of barrel bombs and the aftermath.
Then maybe get out of Ukraine.. Russia has a large standing army and a port in Syria..they just don't have the will to engage in ground combat. Neither does the US or NATO
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Google 'Russia targeting civilians in Aleppo' and get 7 sources who say they are plus video of barrel bombs and the aftermath.
Then maybe get out of Ukraine.. Russia has a large standing army and a port in Syria..they just don't have the will to engage in ground combat. Neither does the US or NATO
No, I get that lots of news sources are claiming intentional bombing of civilians but they're all rather short on details to back up the claims. And frankly, it doesn't make any sense that they would. They weren't trying to break the "will" of the population of Eastern Aleppo by terrorizing them or anything like that. Also, these are the same news sources that brought you the bombing of the 21 last hospitals in east Aleppo...
Here's an assessment of Russia's capabilities from "the saker", who is a retired military analyst from some unnamed European country. This was written in August last year and includes an analysis of Russian capabilities in Syria. http://thesaker.is/assessing-the-russian-military-as-an-instrument-of-power/
John Swanson
Here's an assessment of Russia's capabilities from "the saker", who is a retired military analyst from some unnamed European country. This was written in August last year and includes an analysis of Russian capabilities in Syria. http://thesaker.is/assessing-the-russian-military-as-an-instrument-of-power/
John Swanson
BTW, here's that port you were talking about:
"The Tartus facility can accommodate four medium-sized vessels only if both of its 100 m floating piers, inside of the northern breakwater, are operational. It is not capable of hosting any of the Russian Navy's current major warships which range in length from the 129 m Neustrashimyy class frigate through the 163 m Udaloy class destroyer, much less cruisers such as the 186.4 m Slava class and the 252 m Kirov class, or the 305 m Kuznetsov class aircraft carrier." - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_naval_facility_in_Tartus
Troop strength: 4000 personnel - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_military_intervention_in_Syria#Operations_by_Russian_military_forces
Hardly the kind of "force projection" I'd want if I were marching on Aleppo.
John Swanson
"The Tartus facility can accommodate four medium-sized vessels only if both of its 100 m floating piers, inside of the northern breakwater, are operational. It is not capable of hosting any of the Russian Navy's current major warships which range in length from the 129 m Neustrashimyy class frigate through the 163 m Udaloy class destroyer, much less cruisers such as the 186.4 m Slava class and the 252 m Kirov class, or the 305 m Kuznetsov class aircraft carrier." - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_naval_facility_in_Tartus
Troop strength: 4000 personnel - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_military_intervention_in_Syria#Operations_by_Russian_military_forces
Hardly the kind of "force projection" I'd want if I were marching on Aleppo.
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hesaker.is/assessing-the-russian-military-as-an-instrument-of-power
Interesting article. Yes, Russia is a 'sheep in wolf's clothing', but I think Russia's long game is to help Assad, 'maybe' get a cease-fire and 'maybe' free elections. Consolidate their influence in the ME with Iran, to counter the US 'influence'. Turkey getting cozy with Russia as well. Strange times.
Interesting article. Yes, Russia is a 'sheep in wolf's clothing', but I think Russia's long game is to help Assad, 'maybe' get a cease-fire and 'maybe' free elections. Consolidate their influence in the ME with Iran, to counter the US 'influence'. Turkey getting cozy with Russia as well. Strange times.
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in a response to trumps 'all options on the table' the iranian top miltary dog is issuing the sternest warning i recall anyone dared:
Iran ready to give U.S. 'slap in the face': commander
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran-usa-slap-idUSKBN161195?feedType=RSS&feedName=worldNews&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Reuters%2FworldNews+%28Reuters+World+News%29
and another bobmshell, i just scanned (but dont have the time to read atm). this one may interest prof. blutov:
Azarov's Bombshell: Ukrainian Ex-PM Reveals Who Was Behind Maidan Sniper Deaths
https://sputniknews.com/europe/201702221050940444-azarov-maidan-sniper-deaths-investigation/
listed are details and evidence...
Iran ready to give U.S. 'slap in the face': commander
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran-usa-slap-idUSKBN161195?feedType=RSS&feedName=worldNews&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Reuters%2FworldNews+%28Reuters+World+News%29
and another bobmshell, i just scanned (but dont have the time to read atm). this one may interest prof. blutov:
Azarov's Bombshell: Ukrainian Ex-PM Reveals Who Was Behind Maidan Sniper Deaths
https://sputniknews.com/europe/201702221050940444-azarov-maidan-sniper-deaths-investigation/
listed are details and evidence...
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.....thank you.....those details and evidences have been in play for while ( actually appeared just after the incident then got lost in the dust storm that then enveloped the Ukrainian crisis....so if you didn't catch the momentary glimpse you may have missed it ) so nice to see it brought to the table again....
....was mentioned by Robert Parry.....
....in an article I posted a few days ago....good read, urge you to take a look....
http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/robert-parry/71282/the-did-you-talk-to-russians-witch-hunt
Cheers
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.....thank you.....those details and evidences have been in play for while ( actually appeared just after the incident then got lost in the dust storm that then enveloped the Ukrainian crisis....so if you didn't catch the momentary glimpse you may have missed it ) so nice to see it brought to the table again....
....was mentioned by Robert Parry.....
....in an article I posted a few days ago....good read, urge you to take a look....
http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/robert-parry/71282/the-did-you-talk-to-russians-witch-hunt
Cheers
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Echoes said:Bustedknuckle said:
When World War II is dealt with on mainstream media or in books here in Europe which happens almost everyday, then 95% of the time, it mentions the Holocaust, so it's a bit of fresh air to deal with it without referring to it (or even better to discuss past wars other than WWII and other than WWI).
Nobody mentions rapes by GI's against French women, the Dresden bombing, the bombings of Belgian cities such as Leuven (500 dead) or Mechelen, of French cities such as Le Havre or Rouen, racism within the US Navy and when Allied crimes are remembered such as Hiroshima or Nagasaki, it's approved of
But then again, why constantly refer to World War II? Nothing has happened ever since or happened before? It's as if you have a good alibi, fighting the Foul Beast. You were the goodies against the vilains. Why don't you like to deal with all you've done in Vietnam, Laos and Cambodgia? Or in Yugoslavia, Iraq and Lybia? Or on your own territory against Amerindians or against Southerners? Agent Orange and depleted uranium?
And then you say that we hate everything that is American. Who saw the Trump election with optimism and who not? I have my doubt about Trump though since he's appointed Zionists at key posts but his electoral agenda was very interesting. The thing is that the America that I love is the one you hate: the America of the Wild West. Geronimo's America. The Cajuns' America. Not the big cities on both coasts, Disneyland or Hollywood. So stop being a Calimero. It's a bit like Jewish paranoia whining that the whole world is anti-Semitic whenever anybody expresses criticism against the said community/culture.
Then there was the slaughter of Sant'Anna di Stazzema. Brutality is ubiquitous, ingrained in the human condition and only under rare and transient circumstances does this brutality cease to subsist.
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