In Canada here I don't have to worry about finding and paying a healthcare insurer for myself or my family; when I got hit by a car or when one of my kids gets sick- paying for the hosipital is one thing that is not holding up the necessary medical care.But where I live there was a hospital that was reciently built- I'm not clear about the funding arrangements, but from what I have gathered it was built privately using public funds and donations- it wound up costing about half as much more than it was initially proposed ( eg. 150%); basically a windfall for the developers and the service since it has opened up has been nothing short of appalling.
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I get tired of the same old crap trotted out in "political" discussions.
I am a closet Republican who works in Hollywood. If i ever dare to breathe anything from a conservative viewpoint i would be unemployable. My family has a farm in the midwest.
According to Hollywood liberals anyone who does not march in lockstep with their views is either an ignorant yocal, a racist, bigot, homophobe or all the above. Their lack of knowledge of anything beyond their immediate circle is astounding. With my job i have traveled the world and lived & worked in countries with liberal immigration policies and socialized medicine. I have seen how these countries have had their systems exploited and seen the level of services compromised. Instead of having intelligent discussion like they have in Denmark or Sweden it is trotted out how much better their system is.
WTF? Have you ever lived there? Had to wait for a doctor? My GF almost died after complications from minor surgery, She was asked if her situation was life threatening by the doctors office. she said "You are the doctor how the hell should i know?" She told them she was bleeding and still she had to wait days to see her doctor.
I am not saying our system is better, just saying lets DISCUSS.
On politics my favourite was how ignorant GBush was. My coworker said to me with a straight face on many occasions that GB was actually completely illiterate. I heard this from others on the hollywood rumour mill. Later they added that at press conferences all his answers were provided by others via teleprompter. this went on and on for at least 6 months. I just agreed but in my mind i thought "can't you hear how friggin stupid you are defending BOTH these positions that are not mutually exclusive? What was on the teleprompter that he read cartoons?
Then i would have to listen to gays talking about how homophobic republicans are, then they tell me in the next breathe how alot of the gay clubs used to have metal grates at the entrance to keep out any lesbians in high heels who might think they were welcome. I was shocked for all the persecution against gays lesbians and transgender people some of the worst perpetrators were amongst themselves. Stereotyping amongst supposedly open minded people seems very common in Hollywood.
I remember a man who was in a "gay" retirement home was asked why they wouldnt let any straight people live there, he said something along the lines of "i have been persecuted by straight people my entire life(i don't doubt it)i refuse to live my last days next to those people!" Of course housing discrimination on the basis of sexual identity is illegal but ok in this case.
In other words hate is Ok is you agree with my views,if you disagree you should be prosecuted.
I have also heard many of my fellow workers denigrate the midwest, that these people are nothing but republican stooges and inside i am laughing because they characterize farmers as Republicans and in fact most of the farmers my family knows are democrats. I'm not saying they all are one way or another but reasonable discussion is out of the question.
I am also a member of three unions. I hear these people scream about the rich getting tax breaks.However in my union they keep strangely silent.
You see in a union where we are all supposed to be brothers & sisters and the strong are supposed to fight for the weak the rich pay far less in dues than the common union member. I pay in one union 2 percent of my income to dues. In that same union someone who makes millions only pays dues on their first 200 thousand and the rest is dues free.
All the unions have similar structure. So when someone like George Clooney *****es about the way our country is headed i think "yeah brother, you made millions and paid a few grand in dues. If i paid the percentage you do i would pay less than a quarter for my dues and get free healthcare to boot". BY the way i am a fully vested union member with a full pension and i have to pay all my health care.
The worst part of all this for me is that these people all consider themselves to be caring tolerant open minded liberal people when in fact they only time they are is when they meet people who don't question them.
truly sad.
I am a closet Republican who works in Hollywood. If i ever dare to breathe anything from a conservative viewpoint i would be unemployable. My family has a farm in the midwest.
According to Hollywood liberals anyone who does not march in lockstep with their views is either an ignorant yocal, a racist, bigot, homophobe or all the above. Their lack of knowledge of anything beyond their immediate circle is astounding. With my job i have traveled the world and lived & worked in countries with liberal immigration policies and socialized medicine. I have seen how these countries have had their systems exploited and seen the level of services compromised. Instead of having intelligent discussion like they have in Denmark or Sweden it is trotted out how much better their system is.
WTF? Have you ever lived there? Had to wait for a doctor? My GF almost died after complications from minor surgery, She was asked if her situation was life threatening by the doctors office. she said "You are the doctor how the hell should i know?" She told them she was bleeding and still she had to wait days to see her doctor.
I am not saying our system is better, just saying lets DISCUSS.
On politics my favourite was how ignorant GBush was. My coworker said to me with a straight face on many occasions that GB was actually completely illiterate. I heard this from others on the hollywood rumour mill. Later they added that at press conferences all his answers were provided by others via teleprompter. this went on and on for at least 6 months. I just agreed but in my mind i thought "can't you hear how friggin stupid you are defending BOTH these positions that are not mutually exclusive? What was on the teleprompter that he read cartoons?
Then i would have to listen to gays talking about how homophobic republicans are, then they tell me in the next breathe how alot of the gay clubs used to have metal grates at the entrance to keep out any lesbians in high heels who might think they were welcome. I was shocked for all the persecution against gays lesbians and transgender people some of the worst perpetrators were amongst themselves. Stereotyping amongst supposedly open minded people seems very common in Hollywood.
I remember a man who was in a "gay" retirement home was asked why they wouldnt let any straight people live there, he said something along the lines of "i have been persecuted by straight people my entire life(i don't doubt it)i refuse to live my last days next to those people!" Of course housing discrimination on the basis of sexual identity is illegal but ok in this case.
In other words hate is Ok is you agree with my views,if you disagree you should be prosecuted.
I have also heard many of my fellow workers denigrate the midwest, that these people are nothing but republican stooges and inside i am laughing because they characterize farmers as Republicans and in fact most of the farmers my family knows are democrats. I'm not saying they all are one way or another but reasonable discussion is out of the question.
I am also a member of three unions. I hear these people scream about the rich getting tax breaks.However in my union they keep strangely silent.
You see in a union where we are all supposed to be brothers & sisters and the strong are supposed to fight for the weak the rich pay far less in dues than the common union member. I pay in one union 2 percent of my income to dues. In that same union someone who makes millions only pays dues on their first 200 thousand and the rest is dues free.All the unions have similar structure. So when someone like George Clooney *****es about the way our country is headed i think "yeah brother, you made millions and paid a few grand in dues. If i paid the percentage you do i would pay less than a quarter for my dues and get free healthcare to boot". BY the way i am a fully vested union member with a full pension and i have to pay all my health care.
The worst part of all this for me is that these people all consider themselves to be caring tolerant open minded liberal people when in fact they only time they are is when they meet people who don't question them.
truly sad.
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You and George C. are fighting each other for the scraps and you just don't realize how you are being had.
The problem with our country is not that you pay a slightly larger percentage in union dues than the "talent" does, but rather that the top 1% of the population (which includes neither you, me, nor George C.) controls 90% of the nation's wealth.
Every time push comes to shove it is the Republicans helping to insure that they can hold and add to this wealth. This is your enemy, not Cloony or even Obama.
The problem with our country is not that you pay a slightly larger percentage in union dues than the "talent" does, but rather that the top 1% of the population (which includes neither you, me, nor George C.) controls 90% of the nation's wealth.
Every time push comes to shove it is the Republicans helping to insure that they can hold and add to this wealth. This is your enemy, not Cloony or even Obama.
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It's uncanny how the repubs can endlessly, and with such verve, repackage all of their drivel and rantings, into something so patently false and misrepresentation.
The fact is that mean workers wages have remained stagnant, considering inflation, since the 70's. To override the problem of stagnant consumer rates as a corollary of the former phenomenon, credit card debt was invented to the pitched degree it has become since then and foisted upon everyone to the great advantage, naturally, to the credit holders. In the meantime the year end bonus of the super managers have increased hundred fold, arriving in the millions. This is the system that the oligarchs and plutocrats of the American neo-liberal capitalist regime have invented and have also found much success in forcibly imposing it throughout the globe by virtue of the nation's superpower status. This has resulted in the delocalization of manufacturing and the consequent mass workers enslavement of the second and third world to feed the queen bee country with all the useless things its consumers buy. It has also caused endless wars to maintain this economic situation, in the Middle East, South America and South Asia, while it supports the worst dictatorial regimes in these areas and also Africa and the crimes against humanity they commit, the sectarian wars they spawn, just to maintain favorable business relations; so that the primary resources we rely upon continue to arrive in copious and cheap quantities. I know some are tired of hearing it said, though I never get tired of saying it.
It is a false and grotesque representation, furthermore, that socialized health care does not work in everybody’s favor. I have enjoyed it through my taxes in Italy for many years now. Sure, as with any mass social system, some bureaucratic annoyances can't be avoided. Whereas there have been many case for which someone with serious injury has had to wait in agony for hours in the emergency room of a US hospital, because they didn't have a health care provider! This intolerable act can never happen in a European hospital, and even if you aren't a citizen, but a vacationing tourist, if necessary you will get treatment with no other requirements than your unfortunate human condition without receiving a bill. That's because health and the unfettered access to treatment is considered a universal and unalienable human right from birth to death, like that of liberty, a fair trial and the so called pursuit of happiness. Placing health care within the private sector negates that right to the economically weak and so makes it a privilege of those of means. Ethically, of course, this is purely reprehensible. To be sure, however, bad episodes have happened in hospitals where socialized medicine prevails. But this is due to human error and not something wrong, least of all "evil" with the social set-up. However, to make a purely instrumental use of this as justification for placing everything in the hands of the private insurance companies, is a base casuistry, which only caters to the greed and anti-humanistic positions of, again, the corporate and political oligarchs and plutocrats. Moreover, it excludes everyone from the population without sufficient economic means to afford it. The very idea that the only real and acceptable option for health care in the US is through the private sector, merely demonstrates to what heinous and uncivilized degree the same private businesses have found the necessary pressure to bear and, therefore, beat and cower the unwlling citizenry into submission before its egotistical profit schemes, while convincing the willing of its propaganda. And it is the Republican Party, which, more than any other political force, ideologically (per force of nature) represents the paladins defending such a base and self-serving anti-social, anti-Enlightenment and anti-humanistic philosophy.
Unfettered individualism allows for the haves to reign over the have-nots with every increased prepotency. Nothing more. The privatization of everything within the public domain, such as health, the needs of the aged, education etc., is simply a revolting and ghastly ideology, because I shall not here debase the word philosophy, which has no ethical basis whatsoever. Unless one considers placing me always before the collective to have any moral currency. The idea that even one tax dollar should be spent on the interests of private finance and the corporate world, or that of the military, at the exclusion of anything with the word social in its agenda, demonastrates how barbarous my homeland has become and is merely a grotesque parody of democracy, justice and every Enlightenment principle upon which the modern democratic state has been based. The idea that the pursuit of happiness means exclusively not having any restrictions to obtaining wealth, is such a shallow and profane notion that it does not even merit further comment. The individual's right to self-realization is something programed within the hardware of any modern democratic constitution, but to take that right at face value and allow individuals a free reign over collective society to the negation of certain latter's rights, and needs, while making their fiscal contributions, results merely in a democratically approved form of neo-feudalism and an overlord-vassal-serf state. Which is antithetical to the struggle of the Enlightenment philosophers and republicans, not the US political party, but those who a few centuries ago fought and gave their lives in the American British colonies and European states against the tyranny, oppression and despotism of the monarchies and their aristocratic supporters. In the end, US republicans are really closet monarchists and the most dreadful thing about is that most, like those who listen to the Glenn Becks and Rush Limbaughs of the US right-wing propaganda machine, are completely ignorant of this personal character flaw.
The other thing is that, sure, there is a lot of hypocrisy in the radical-chic, leftists in Hollywood, just as in the corporate world and in Washington. However this is an issue of wealth and society and not of the common leftist world-view of what the relationship between the two should be. Someone from the left, be they rich or poor, holds certain ideals, whether actually lived or not doesn't change them (and this is what the right wingers don't quite get), that hopes that the democratic institutions and the elected people who rule over them, would act with the most responsibility toward the needs of collective society and, when need arrises, to ensure that the alpha-class within it does not, with its legislative help, become a tyranny over it. And nowhere is it written that someone who, because from the left, needs in order to be not branded a hypocrite, live in some hovel and not enjoy anything material like some medieval mendicant friar. One would only hope that, if successful economically, he would pay all his taxes and keep certain extravagances within a decorous limit, without necessarily not having some (life is to be enjoyed after all). The right takes all to easy recourse to the hypocritical charge as the only real accusation it levies against this social political world view, without, of course, proposing any real reasons as to its morally perilous positions. That's because they are simply not immoral, and neither does the hypocrisy of some make them such, and are only perilous to the right's own unapoligetic self-serving egoism wrapped up, exclusively it would seem, in the pursuit of individual wealth and defending the interests of the few who enjoy it.
I have lived out of the US for many years and I have thus watched from afar for just as many. Certainly I have missed many things, though, at once, I have seen many more that only someone looking in from beyond can gain such a perspective. And it seems to me that the model that this neo-liberal capitalist America represents is neither the most desirable globally for the masses, nor the most socially sane. Yet this is exactly the one the US so called financial gurus its miltiary and political apparatus is defending and supporting. Not that mine is a unique case. Nor do I think I have any claims to a superior moral ground. However, I make no excuses for my life either, nor the perspective I have consciously tried to gain.
Hugh summed it up perfectly, mine are just some additional thoughts.
On my grave stone I shall have it writ: "He left the barbarians behind just in time."
The fact is that mean workers wages have remained stagnant, considering inflation, since the 70's. To override the problem of stagnant consumer rates as a corollary of the former phenomenon, credit card debt was invented to the pitched degree it has become since then and foisted upon everyone to the great advantage, naturally, to the credit holders. In the meantime the year end bonus of the super managers have increased hundred fold, arriving in the millions. This is the system that the oligarchs and plutocrats of the American neo-liberal capitalist regime have invented and have also found much success in forcibly imposing it throughout the globe by virtue of the nation's superpower status. This has resulted in the delocalization of manufacturing and the consequent mass workers enslavement of the second and third world to feed the queen bee country with all the useless things its consumers buy. It has also caused endless wars to maintain this economic situation, in the Middle East, South America and South Asia, while it supports the worst dictatorial regimes in these areas and also Africa and the crimes against humanity they commit, the sectarian wars they spawn, just to maintain favorable business relations; so that the primary resources we rely upon continue to arrive in copious and cheap quantities. I know some are tired of hearing it said, though I never get tired of saying it.
It is a false and grotesque representation, furthermore, that socialized health care does not work in everybody’s favor. I have enjoyed it through my taxes in Italy for many years now. Sure, as with any mass social system, some bureaucratic annoyances can't be avoided. Whereas there have been many case for which someone with serious injury has had to wait in agony for hours in the emergency room of a US hospital, because they didn't have a health care provider! This intolerable act can never happen in a European hospital, and even if you aren't a citizen, but a vacationing tourist, if necessary you will get treatment with no other requirements than your unfortunate human condition without receiving a bill. That's because health and the unfettered access to treatment is considered a universal and unalienable human right from birth to death, like that of liberty, a fair trial and the so called pursuit of happiness. Placing health care within the private sector negates that right to the economically weak and so makes it a privilege of those of means. Ethically, of course, this is purely reprehensible. To be sure, however, bad episodes have happened in hospitals where socialized medicine prevails. But this is due to human error and not something wrong, least of all "evil" with the social set-up. However, to make a purely instrumental use of this as justification for placing everything in the hands of the private insurance companies, is a base casuistry, which only caters to the greed and anti-humanistic positions of, again, the corporate and political oligarchs and plutocrats. Moreover, it excludes everyone from the population without sufficient economic means to afford it. The very idea that the only real and acceptable option for health care in the US is through the private sector, merely demonstrates to what heinous and uncivilized degree the same private businesses have found the necessary pressure to bear and, therefore, beat and cower the unwlling citizenry into submission before its egotistical profit schemes, while convincing the willing of its propaganda. And it is the Republican Party, which, more than any other political force, ideologically (per force of nature) represents the paladins defending such a base and self-serving anti-social, anti-Enlightenment and anti-humanistic philosophy.
Unfettered individualism allows for the haves to reign over the have-nots with every increased prepotency. Nothing more. The privatization of everything within the public domain, such as health, the needs of the aged, education etc., is simply a revolting and ghastly ideology, because I shall not here debase the word philosophy, which has no ethical basis whatsoever. Unless one considers placing me always before the collective to have any moral currency. The idea that even one tax dollar should be spent on the interests of private finance and the corporate world, or that of the military, at the exclusion of anything with the word social in its agenda, demonastrates how barbarous my homeland has become and is merely a grotesque parody of democracy, justice and every Enlightenment principle upon which the modern democratic state has been based. The idea that the pursuit of happiness means exclusively not having any restrictions to obtaining wealth, is such a shallow and profane notion that it does not even merit further comment. The individual's right to self-realization is something programed within the hardware of any modern democratic constitution, but to take that right at face value and allow individuals a free reign over collective society to the negation of certain latter's rights, and needs, while making their fiscal contributions, results merely in a democratically approved form of neo-feudalism and an overlord-vassal-serf state. Which is antithetical to the struggle of the Enlightenment philosophers and republicans, not the US political party, but those who a few centuries ago fought and gave their lives in the American British colonies and European states against the tyranny, oppression and despotism of the monarchies and their aristocratic supporters. In the end, US republicans are really closet monarchists and the most dreadful thing about is that most, like those who listen to the Glenn Becks and Rush Limbaughs of the US right-wing propaganda machine, are completely ignorant of this personal character flaw.
The other thing is that, sure, there is a lot of hypocrisy in the radical-chic, leftists in Hollywood, just as in the corporate world and in Washington. However this is an issue of wealth and society and not of the common leftist world-view of what the relationship between the two should be. Someone from the left, be they rich or poor, holds certain ideals, whether actually lived or not doesn't change them (and this is what the right wingers don't quite get), that hopes that the democratic institutions and the elected people who rule over them, would act with the most responsibility toward the needs of collective society and, when need arrises, to ensure that the alpha-class within it does not, with its legislative help, become a tyranny over it. And nowhere is it written that someone who, because from the left, needs in order to be not branded a hypocrite, live in some hovel and not enjoy anything material like some medieval mendicant friar. One would only hope that, if successful economically, he would pay all his taxes and keep certain extravagances within a decorous limit, without necessarily not having some (life is to be enjoyed after all). The right takes all to easy recourse to the hypocritical charge as the only real accusation it levies against this social political world view, without, of course, proposing any real reasons as to its morally perilous positions. That's because they are simply not immoral, and neither does the hypocrisy of some make them such, and are only perilous to the right's own unapoligetic self-serving egoism wrapped up, exclusively it would seem, in the pursuit of individual wealth and defending the interests of the few who enjoy it.
I have lived out of the US for many years and I have thus watched from afar for just as many. Certainly I have missed many things, though, at once, I have seen many more that only someone looking in from beyond can gain such a perspective. And it seems to me that the model that this neo-liberal capitalist America represents is neither the most desirable globally for the masses, nor the most socially sane. Yet this is exactly the one the US so called financial gurus its miltiary and political apparatus is defending and supporting. Not that mine is a unique case. Nor do I think I have any claims to a superior moral ground. However, I make no excuses for my life either, nor the perspective I have consciously tried to gain.
Hugh summed it up perfectly, mine are just some additional thoughts.
On my grave stone I shall have it writ: "He left the barbarians behind just in time."
The Hitch said:
You'd be free to speak hitch.. You could talk about shooting people in the head or that a 9 yr old girl is better dead lest she grow up to be hitler. etc...or that Gabby Giffords deserved to be shot because she doesn't love baby jesus.. Something tells me you could go lockstep with simple scotty and runnningditto with ease.
Scott SoCal said:
I think I might ride today..I hope a teabagger doesn't notice my catholic bicycle and run me down.
Hugh Januss said:
I understand what yo are saying however if you think all the wealth is controlled by Republicans you are sadly mistaken.This is where the tea party has a point. My father & grandfather both lawyers opened my eyes to the fact that politics is not about party as they want you to believe but that both sides of politics are in it for the money. I can't tell you how many "initatives" are put forth on the local level not to improve education or other services but in order for a differentlawyer or businessman to gain a contract that is controlled by someone else.
As long as we are kept fighting about political parties which in reality is merely rich lawyers trying to control their size of the pie we will never see the truth. These people call the other side every name in the book, try to label them the antichrist. then they crawl into bed with them at night and laugh at how they have everyone fooled into thinking the way they want us to think.
Just for your information I don't consider Clooney or Obama the "enemy" but i am disappointed that an Ignorant actor refuses to step forward and say "hey this is a union, we need to help each other out, that is why it was started in the first place" does not recognize the concept of a union. Likewise people like Warren Buffet, hmmmmm he controls a little wealth & power. Yet he complains about "tax breaks" there is an easy answer give your money to the government. The first time i lived i Norway they actually had over 100 percent tax on the wealthy. It was to redistribute the wealth and keep social programs running. I think it was a shipping magnant who paid 130 percent income tax, which was in the guiness book of world records in the 70's. So if u r a rich liberal businessman or trial lawyer just give it all back, anyone can cut a check and send it to the federal treasury. What is stopping them? Put your money where your mouth is.
and just for clarity a "slightly larger" percentage on income is nowhere close. I pay far far more. Since some actors have over 90 percent of their income as dues free and mine is is covered 100 percent they are paying only 2 PERCENT on 10 percent of their income, while i pay 2 percent on 100 percent. So just so you know for every one hundred dollars i make i pay two dollars. For the same hundred dollars they earn their dues are forgiven on 90 dollars so they pay 20 cents. I pay ten times the dues percentage! that is not small. Actually it is even more because there are basic dues as well in addition to working dues. Every couple years the union raises the dues and cuts the level of service because we don't have any money. But yet we give"dues breaks to the rich actors"
These actors do not create jobs, on Broadway for instance big money big name actors have taken over from "unknowns" So they produce nothing and actually cost the smaller actors money as Broadway shows are not the profit maker they were in years past.
Now in the real world small businesses sometimes do start up and hire people, my families farm for instance. And if you raise the taxes we will just add to inventory and reduce sales so you will not achieve any more tax flow. We do this because we make so little profit to begin with that any increase in taxes might cause us to go out of business. Our profit margin is less than 4 percent most years and even less on average.
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runninboy said:
I didn't say that, I would however say that the Republicans are controlled by wealth to a greater degree than the Democrats.
I think you need to go back and read what Buffet was actually saying about tax loopholes because his point was that he paid a lower effective tax rate than his secretary, and he thought that was wrong.
Hugh Januss said:
Simple answer cut a check. And i doubt your contention about wealth controlling to a greater degree republicans than democrats you are of course free to disagree but in my personal experience i have found both parties to be inseperable and rarely "do the right thing"
a prime example is oil companies.
here is a little something that went down in the midwest recently. One of the best ways to build wealth is to use other peoples money to finance capital investments. You let them build it then you legally steal it from them.
Case in point ethanol.
Both parties came on board for ethanol subsidies. Then once people had sought financing and spent millions to build the plants, the Congress reduced the subsidy that was part of the business plan to make the commodity feasible.
When the ethanol subsidy went through at first my uncle a retired farmer called from IOWA and said to me"isn't it amazing a state with almost no refining, no oil and no port of entry, overnight is suddenly the cheapest place in the nation for a gallon of gas" Then he went on to explain how the pumps are next to each other and the oil companies had lowered the price to such a level that even WITH the subsidy a gallon of pure gas had come down 40% and was now cheaper than the ethanol blend.
He told me"you think the oil companies are gonna let a bunch of farmers steal any part of the energy industry?"
and sure enough he was right. No democrats questioned the obvious dumping of product in order to maintain market share. And pretty soon democrats such as Fienstein & Boxer were bashing the subsidy to lazy farmers and protecting the interests of big oil in their state.
The subsidy was reduced, the ethanol plants went broke, the plants were purchased for pennies on the dollar by
Big Oil companies. who are in the pockets of both parties.
A democratic congress led this gift to big oil and no one ever questioned it.
Nice work.
Both parties are to blame.
Did you know Senator Tom Harkin is one of the richest members of congress? How is this possible he came from a nearly destitute coal miners family. Served in the military and upon his return became a "public servant" Now he has made millions and millions of dollars on a Senators salary. Could it be he learned commodity investing from Hilary Clinton?
Keep the mantra of one party good the other bad, one rich the other poor, one smart the other dumb, one good the other evil because the only one who benefits from this exercise is the parties themselves.
runninboy said:
Ex Exterminator Tom DeLay just spent 10 million on his legal defense on a congressman's salary.. If numbered accounts in Switzerland, Dubai and the Cayman Islands were exposed most would be republicans and the numbers would be staggering. I'd bet D. Cheney has BILLIONS with a B if not tens of Billions. It is also likely that the Bush Crime Family personally shook the Kuwaitis down for a percentage of all their oil revenues since 91.
Republicans? You betcha
""Early on the morning of May 30, 2009, Raul Flores heard a knock at the door of his Arivaca, Arizona, home. When he opened it, he found a man and a woman claiming to be law-enforcement officers in search of fugitives. Minutes later, the man shot Flores to death. Then, authorities say, he pumped three bullets into Flores’ wife, Gina Gonzalez, who survived but played dead. “Why did you shoot my mom?” Gonzalez’s 9-year-old daughter, Brisenia Flores, asked the gunman, according to prosecutors. Those were her last words. The man put a gun to her head, fired off two rounds, and killed her.""
http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2011-01-20/in-giffords-shadow-trial-of-arizona-minuteman-accused-of-killing-girl-begins/?om_rid=JEVOc0&om_mid=_BNOYqjB8Xi9sge
""Early on the morning of May 30, 2009, Raul Flores heard a knock at the door of his Arivaca, Arizona, home. When he opened it, he found a man and a woman claiming to be law-enforcement officers in search of fugitives. Minutes later, the man shot Flores to death. Then, authorities say, he pumped three bullets into Flores’ wife, Gina Gonzalez, who survived but played dead. “Why did you shoot my mom?” Gonzalez’s 9-year-old daughter, Brisenia Flores, asked the gunman, according to prosecutors. Those were her last words. The man put a gun to her head, fired off two rounds, and killed her.""
http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2011-01-20/in-giffords-shadow-trial-of-arizona-minuteman-accused-of-killing-girl-begins/?om_rid=JEVOc0&om_mid=_BNOYqjB8Xi9sge
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runninboy said:
This is because being among the mainstream left in America, doesn't exactly mean that you have read Marx or are all that familiar with Europe's Third Way of the social democracy. The latter having been driven into a state of near fatal decay, because of the external and internal pressures of labor competition and finance in the chaotic globalized economy based on the neo-liberal model.
You are entirely correct about, however, the two major US centrist parties practically achieving a state of symbiosis, in so far as they are a bunch of lawyers and corporate big-wigs squabbling over the pieces of the pie and doling out the best business contracts to their other big-wig friends in the corporate-industrial-finance world. This demonstrates merely how the economy has replaced politics and ideology as such.
To me this is what's most sad, especially in regards to how many interesting proposals (and awful ones) from the late XIX-mid XX century were actually made. Now its all about money. Everything ultimately boils down to a business criteria and no longer a social or poltical one. It thus doesn't even matter, really, whether it is some dem or repub arguing the case, for which only a thin and feeble veil of political difference has remained.
patricknd said:And probably ordered by cheney. You're brilliant
just right wing domestic terrorism done with your blessing and approval
runninboy said:
You nor they know much about lesbians. What do they do about the majority who wear comfortable shoes? Because most of the lesbians I know (and I know quite a few) are not the high heels wearing type.
runninboy said:
When you have experienced 1/100th of the discrimination and hate he has, you can comment. Until then, lets just say that your party has demonized the gay population enough that your only position on the subject should be to shut the **** up.
runninboy said:
You do have a point there. Some of the most hateful things I have ever read were diatribes from liberals regarding Christians.
On a side note, I read a bumpersticker today that said: "Obama is not a brown socialist that gives away free health care, you are thinking of Jesus." I kind of like that.
Now maybe go tell all of those "flat tax" people on your side of the isle what a regressive tax is, and why it isn't fair. Because it appears that you understand.
Awwww it's just jolly good fun when it's just American companies doing this as the Union Jack flies nearby.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/article-1349583/SPECIAL-INVESTIGATION-1-000-tax-haven-subsidiaries-20-companies.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/article-1349583/SPECIAL-INVESTIGATION-1-000-tax-haven-subsidiaries-20-companies.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
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