World Politics

[Anonymous]

Surely there can but GD!...The pressure republicans exert in the workplace is absolutely incomparable..I know people in the oil business and war plane business that would not dare let anyone even THINK they were not RELIGIOUSLY devoted to the republican party. They know their careers depend on it.

Oh, you mean like conservative teachers? Yeah, that can be tough.

 

[redtreviso]

Oh, you mean like conservative teachers? Yeah, that can be tough.

Oh man...conservative teachers? seriously? CRACKPOTS..Bible thumping science teachers and such? Conservative emphasis on the fine arts and literature? Those poor mentally ill souls.. This is a Bill O"Reilly thing huh? THERE AINT NO FWAY YOU ARE PERSONALLY CONCERNED WITH CONSERVATIVE SCHOOL TEACHERS.

 

[redtreviso]

Oh man...conservative teachers? seriously? CRACKPOTS..Bible thumping science teachers and such? Conservative emphasis on the fine arts and literature? Those poor mentally ill souls.. This is a Bill O"Reilly thing huh? THERE AINT NO FWAY YOU ARE PERSONALLY CONCERNED WITH CONSERVATIVE SCHOOL TEACHERS.

And furthermore.. Do you not think that Oral Roberts, Regent, Baylor and a multitude of other universities are not almost the exclusive domain of conservative teachers? I bet there are more conservatives at Berkeley than liberals at any of those places. Of course being a self proclaimed conservative is just promoting AHism anyway so no wonder some feel unliked..kind of a no brainer.

 

[patricknd]

I nearly caused a riot at my place of employment when upper managers told me(on command from above) I should vote for Ronald Reagan if I valued my job. I would have objected as I did even if I had intended on voting for Reagan..but you scott you would have seconded the motion and tried to rat out anyone you thought was not being obedient. We had two John Birchers who did exactly that..(you know YOUR KIND)

i didn't know burger king was so political

but seriously, how did you handle it?

 

[Anonymous]

Oh man...conservative teachers? seriously? CRACKPOTS..Bible thumping science teachers and such? Conservative emphasis on the fine arts and literature? Those poor mentally ill souls.. This is a Bill O"Reilly thing huh? THERE AINT NO FWAY YOU ARE PERSONALLY CONCERNED WITH CONSERVATIVE SCHOOL TEACHERS.

It sure doesn't take much to get you wound up.

Prolly no such thing as a conservative teacher anyways

There is no way I could be concerned with (conservative) teachers. It does not fit with your narrative. Causes you to tilt.

 

[redtreviso]

i didn't know burger king was so political

but seriously, how did you handle it?

I was in the first meeting with office staff and I broke it up with my rage..The number 3 guy that had to (seemingly under duress) hold the meeting deferred to the number one guy who took me out and scolded me. I scolded him back and told him the next meetings with the union people will probably not go well.. They didn't, I was right. The John Birchers still called the home office to complain about me being a communist..rofl (on a side note..A few years earlier the home office saved my job after I called a union member a communist in the course of winning an argument)

 

[redtreviso]

It sure doesn't take much to get you wound up.

Prolly no such thing as a conservative teacher anyways

There is no way I could be concerned with (conservative) teachers. It does not fit with your narrative. Causes you to tilt.

Shouldn't be..and David Vitter shouldn't be around children

 

[Anonymous]

Shouldn't be..and David Vitter shouldn't be around children

Yep, no differing points of view particularly in education. Can't have that.

 

[redtreviso]

Yep, no differing points of view particularly in education. Can't have that.

See that is the trouble..normal people don't really define themselves as conservative or liberal..It is conservatives who want to carry their political label into every part of their life..No one has a problem with the point of view of the apolitical.. You could complain about conservative's ideas being suppressed at the water department..Like who cares..Teachers have a job to do, they can inject their own political point of view or not..It probably has no place in calculus but some whiny conservative might try to praise or discredit some mathematical father or something. The crying you hear from conservative teachers are those wanting to inject creationism into science classes and holocaust denying into history lessons etc..They get all effed up about it and call o'reilly.. and then you take up the cause..

 

[Anonymous]

See that is the trouble..normal people don't really define themselves as conservative or liberal..It is conservatives who want to carry their political label into every part of their life..No one has a problem with the point of view of the apolitical.. You could complain about conservative's ideas being suppressed at the water department..Like who cares..Teachers have a job to do, they can inject their own political point of view or not..It probably has no place in calculus but some whiny conservative might try to praise or discredit some mathematical father or something. The crying you hear from conservative teachers are those wanting to inject creationism into science classes and holocaust denying into history lessons etc..They get all effed up about it and call o'reilly.. and then you take up the cause..

It is conservatives who want to carry their political label into every part of their life

Especially at the bike races. I try and curb every Liberal I can find

No one has a problem with the point of view of the apolitical

Brilliant. You must have stayed awake all night to put this statement together.

Klink, you are a walking cilche. And an angry one at that. Have a really nice day.

 

[redtreviso]

Especially at the bike races. I try and curb every Liberal I can find

I used to park every conservative I ran across at the motocross track.. You could tell if they didn't know that Houses of the Holy is the only music to be played in the pits.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

See that is the trouble..normal people don't really define themselves as conservative or liberal...

This is generally very true. People get pushed, or contorted into these divided sides, by the loudmouths and pundits at the extreme.

No one has a problem with the point of view of the apolitical.

Say what??

 

[Oldman]

""Before the landmark Citizens' United ruling, the kind of corporate propaganda Koch Industries is using wouldn't have been legal.
April 23, 2011 | The following article first appeared on the Nation.com.

On the eve of the November midterm elections, Koch Industries sent an urgent letter to most of its 50,000 employees advising them whom to vote for and warning them about the dire consequences to their families, their jobs and their country should they choose to vote otherwise.

The Nation obtained the Koch Industries election packet for Washington State—which included a cover letter from its president and COO, David Robertson; a list of Koch-endorsed state and federal candidates; and an issue of the company newsletter, Discovery, full of alarmist right-wing propaganda.

Legal experts interviewed for this story called the blatant corporate politicking highly unusual, although no longer skirting the edge of legality, thanks to last year’s Citizens UnitedSupreme Court decision, which granted free speech rights to corporations.

“Before Citizens United, federal election law allowed a company like Koch Industries to talk to officers and shareholders about whom to vote for, but not to talk with employees about whom to vote for,” explains Paul M. Secunda, associate professor of law at Marquette University. But according to Secunda, who recently wrote in The Yale Law Journal Online about the effects of Citizens United on political coercion in the workplace, the decision knocked down those regulations. “Now, companies like Koch Industries are free to send out newsletters persuading their employees how to vote. They can even intimidate their employees into voting for their candidates.” Secunda adds, “It’s a very troubling situation.”

The Kochs were major supporters of the Citizens United case; they were also chief sponsors of the Tea Party and major backers of the anti-“Obamacare” campaign. Through their network of libertarian think tanks and policy institutes, they have been major drivers of unionbusting campaigns in Wisconsin, Michigan and elsewhere.
""

http://www.alternet.org/economy/150681/how_the_koch_brothers_indoctrinate_their_employees_with_right-wing_anti-worker_propaganda/?utm_source=feedblitz&utm_medium=FeedBlitzRss&utm_campaign=alternet_workplace

Sorry to be late on comment for this. You know the Koch holdings include several companies that hit the EPA highest-fined list. I think it was their uncle that founded the John Birch Society with the express purpose of providing political disinformation towards any politician standing between their family ambitions and profit. If more Tea Party wannabes knew that the almost sole aim for the Kochs is to eliminate any regulation on the businesses, particularly the EPA they might question how they are being manipulated.

Does George Soros manipulate the liberal side? Of course he does. You and Socal should get in the Death Cage and wear masks of these two sterling, self-serving individuals and slug it out.

 

[redtreviso]

Sorry to be late on comment for this. You know the Koch holdings include several companies that hit the EPA highest-fined list. I think it was their uncle that founded the John Birch Society with the express purpose of providing political disinformation towards any politician standing between their family ambitions and profit. If more Tea Party wannabes knew that the almost sole aim for the Kochs is to eliminate any regulation on the businesses, particularly the EPA they might question how they are being manipulated.

Does George Soros manipulate the liberal side? Of course he does. You and Socal should get in the Death Cage and wear masks of these two sterling, self-serving individuals and slug it out.

The point is there are no organizations at the behest of Soros threatening people to vote liberal or else.. The Koch example above is very common..To the point that many republicans almost think it would be illegal for them to vote democratic..Then in spite of being a lock to always voting republican these people try to justify themselves like there is principle involved in their decision.

 

[Anonymous]

Sorry to be late on comment for this. You know the Koch holdings include several companies that hit the EPA highest-fined list. I think it was their uncle that founded the John Birch Society with the express purpose of providing political disinformation towards any politician standing between their family ambitions and profit. If more Tea Party wannabes knew that the almost sole aim for the Kochs is to eliminate any regulation on the businesses, particularly the EPA they might question how they are being manipulated.

Does George Soros manipulate the liberal side? Of course he does. You and Socal should get in the Death Cage and wear masks of these two sterling, self-serving individuals and slug it out.

Tempting.

There is a difference between us.

I condemn the Koch Bros buying political favor. It should have no place in our system. A system that allows this kind of influence to be purchased is nothing less than broken.

By the same token I condemn George Soros and his similar activities. I've stated many times my disdain for corruption wherever it may be... political, right, left, corporate, government....

But it doesn't matter.

 

[redtreviso]

Tempting.

There is a difference between us.

I condemn the Koch Bros buying political favor. It should have no place in our system. A system that allows this kind of influence to be purchased is nothing less than broken.

By the same token I condemn George Soros and his similar activities. I've stated many times my disdain for corruption wherever it may be... political, right, left, corporate, government....

But it doesn't matter.

pfffft,,,, You'd be the first in line to be an enforcer for them

 

[Anonymous]

pfffft,,,, You'd be the first in line to be an enforcer for them

I see, the old "if you ain't with us, you're against us" mantra. Part of the Bush doctrine, no?

 

[Oldman]

Tempting.

There is a difference between us.

I condemn the Koch Bros buying political favor. It should have no place in our system. A system that allows this kind of influence to be purchased is nothing less than broken.By the same token I condemn George Soros and his similar activities. I've stated many times my disdain for corruption wherever it may be... political, right, left, corporate, government....

But it doesn't matter.

This is the salient point for most of these arguments...that the opinions expressed are most always a product of pre-packaged information that, repeated enough; is accepted as fact by the faithful. Unfortunately that level of rhetoric from both sides is drowning out real issues in many cases.

I'm still for the Death cage match where rhetoric can be met with physical consequences. At least some entertainment can be had by us unwashed sub-elites.

 

[redtreviso]

I see, the old "if you ain't with us, you're against us" mantra. Part of the Bush doctrine, no?

More like the Bush who? doctrine from you..Trying to sound all objective after the fact.

 

[redtreviso]

""The Right-Wing Network Behind the War on Unions
Inspired by Ronald Reagan and funded by the right's richest donors, a web of free-market think tanks has fueled the nationwide attack on workers' rights.
— By Andy Kroll

Mon Apr. 25, 2011 12:01 AM PDT


From New Hampshire to Alaska, Republican lawmakers are waging war on organized labor. They're pushing bills to curb, if not eliminate, collective bargaining for public workers; make it harder for unions to collect member dues; and, in some states, allow workers to opt out of joining unions entirely but still enjoy union-won benefits. All told, it's one of the largest assaults on American unions in recent history.

Behind the onslaught is a well-funded network of conservative think tanks that you've probably never heard of. Conceived by the same conservative ideologues who helped found the Heritage Foundation, the State Policy Network (SPN) is a little-known umbrella group with deep ties to the national conservative movement. Its mission is simple: to back a constellation of state-level think tanks loosely modeled after Heritage that promote free-market principles and rail against unions, regulation, and tax increases. By blasting out policy recommendations and shaping lawmakers' positions through briefings and private meetings, these think tanks cultivate cozy relationships with GOP politicians. And there's a long tradition of revolving door relationships between SPN staffers and state governments. While they bill themselves as independent think tanks, SPN's members frequently gather to swap ideas. "We're all comrades in arms," the network's board chairman told the National Review in 2007.

Occasionally, SPN think tanks boast of their clout. Such was the case when the Tennessee Center for Policy Research bragged on its website recently that it "leads the charge against teachers' union" and "laid the groundwork" for the bills now in the Tennessee legislature to restrict, and possibly eradicate, bargaining for public school teachers. More often, though, the fingerprints of SPN's members are less apparent.

Founded in 1992 by businessman and Reagan administration insider Thomas Roe—who also served on the Heritage Foundation's board of trustees for two decades—the group has grown to include 59 "freedom centers," or affiliated think tanks, in all 50 states. SPN's board includes officials from Heritage and right-wing charities such as the Adolph Coors and Jacqueline Hume foundations. Likewise, its deep-pocketed donors include all the usual heavy-hitting conservative benefactors: the Ruth and Lovett Peters Foundation, which funds the Cato Institute and Heritage; the Castle Rock Foundation, a charity started with money from the conservative Coors Foundation; and the Bradley Foundation, a $540 million charity devoted to funding conservative causes. SPN uses their contributions to dole out annual grants to member groups, ranging from a few thousand dollars to $260,000, according to 2009 records.
""

http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/04/state-policy-network-union-bargaining?page=1

 

[Anonymous]

Soros Bets on U.S. Financial Collapse

By Cliff Kincaid | November 8, 2010

The Fed’s new action, labeled “quantitative easing” or QE2, follows a first attempt at “QE,” known as QE1. QE means that the Federal Reserve is printing more money and buying more government debt. In total, according to Investor’s Business Daily, “the Fed will have created $2.5 trillion out of the blue.”

Diamond said the result of the Fed’s policy will be to “increase the debt, devalue our currency and create a bigger problem that won’t solve the crisis.” Eventually, America could “collapse under its own weight of massive debt,” he warned.

The QE2 “will devalue the dollar and lead to higher commodity prices, asset and price inflation. It may even lead to the end of the U.S. dollar as the world reserve currency,” Diamond predicted. He noted that Obama Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner floated the idea of the dollar losing its status as the world’s reserve currency, “only to backpedal from it when it raised some eyebrows.”

“What is most troubling to me about this,” Diamond added, “is that the Fed’s QE2 is in alignment with George Soros’s agenda to destroy global capitalism.” The decline of the dollar “is what George Soros wants and what he has proposed in the past,” he noted.

Soros, the billionaire hedge fund operator who finances various leftist and Marxist groups, including Media Matters, has made his fortune by betting on the collapse of national economies and currencies. He was convicted of insider trading in France.

http://www.aim.org/aim-column/soros-bets-on-u-s-financial-collapse/

Don't Like a Weak Dollar? Might as Well Get Used to It
Published: Thursday, 21 Apr 2011 | 2:26 PM ET

Weakness in the US dollar, which is causing everything to go up—including gas prices, food and stocks—is unlikely to go away soon as a selling frenzy hits the currency market.

CNBC.com
The greenback is approaching pre-financial crisis lows and threatening to smash through its all-time low when measured against the world's predominant national currencies.

A combination of factors accounts for the weakness, with the Federal Reserve's easy-money policies, huge national debts and deficits and the consequential possibility of a debt downgrade because of the financial mess in Washington leading the way.

In short, as trader Dennis Gartman noted Thursday, "the rout of the US dollar" is in full effect.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/42703813

April 25, 2011, 6:31 p.m. EDT
IMF bombshell: Age of America nears end
Commentary: China’s economy will surpass the U.S. in 2016

The International Monetary Fund has just dropped a bombshell, and nobody noticed.

For the first time, the international organization has set a date for the moment when the “Age of America” will end and the U.S. economy will be overtaken by that of China.

It provides a painful context for the budget wrangling taking place in Washington right now. It raises enormous questions about what the international security system is going to look like in just a handful of years. And it casts a deepening cloud over both the U.S. dollar and the giant Treasury market, which have been propped up for decades by their privileged status as the liabilities of the world’s hegemonic power.

EDIT: To Klink, I realize you view this as good news.

 

[redtreviso]

Soros Bets on U.S. Financial Collapse

By Cliff Kincaid | November 8, 2010



http://www.aim.org/aim-column/soros-bets-on-u-s-financial-collapse/

Don't Like a Weak Dollar? Might as Well Get Used to It
Published: Thursday, 21 Apr 2011 | 2:26 PM ET



http://www.cnbc.com/id/42703813

April 25, 2011, 6:31 p.m. EDT
IMF bombshell: Age of America nears end
Commentary: China’s economy will surpass the U.S. in 2016



EDIT: To Klink, I realize you view this as good news.

Guy on the left causes it..

game set match

 

[Anonymous]

Guy on the left causes it..

game set match

In the confines of your mind.

 

[redtreviso]

In the confines of your mind.

Unlike you I never voted for either one of those guys pictured..And no one ever voted for George Soros for anything,.

 

[patricknd]

As if things weren't bad enough

http://www.theonion.com/articles/mitt-romney-haunted-by-past-of-trying-to-help-unin,20097/