World Politics

[redtreviso]

Perhaps it's time to make accusations that are backed up by evidence and not disclaimers like "I'll be proven right in 75 years." It's not your opinions I find appalling, it's your snotty attitude.
Why does it bother you so much when I correct you? Feeling insecure?

Before Clinton told PNAC, Chalabi and the house of Saud to GPUAT

http://communistvoice.org/DWV18.html

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Middle_East/IraqWar_SaudiArabia.html

 

[rhubroma]

Perhaps it's time to make accusations that are backed up by evidence and not disclaimers like "I'll be proven right in 75 years." It's not your opinions I find appalling, it's your snotty attitude.
Why does it bother you so much when I correct you? Feeling insecure?

No what you find appalling is that the world I see, which is your world, isn't the flattering and glorifying one you wished me to see.

I have never understood how some people can exist in such semi-darkness. It's like living in a museum!

What's more people like yourself allow narrow mindedness to shut everything out, but this only demonstrates a sense of cultural insecurity (this, yes, is feeling insecure) that tries to be filled with an excessive patriotic attachment to the homeland. Whereas everything else you don't like is automatically branded as devilry.

Sad and pathetic really. And way past its intellectual expiration date, above all in this America.

But I know, it's hard to read the book when it's right in front of your face. One has to step back first, to allow things to come into focus.

PS: Having a sense of irony in life is helpful. Even if it takes some 75 years to discover.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Perhaps it's time to make accusations that are backed up by evidence and not disclaimers like "I'll be proven right in 75 years." It's not your opinions I find appalling, it's your snotty attitude.
Why does it bother you so much when I correct you? Feeling insecure?

They are some of the richest most powerful people in the world who pulled a swindle of nearly epic proportions and Patrick wants a link to the paper trail they left on the intrawebz.

 

[Anonymous]

They are some of the richest most powerful people in the world who pulled a swindle of nearly epic proportions and Patrick wants a link to the paper trail they left on the intrawebz.

swindle of nearly epic proportions

Cool. Should be easy to display the facts then.. You are a smart guy.. just show us idiots and that will be that.


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BTW, I answered your question, but you have not answered mine. Please define "rich" for me. I have been most patient...

 

[redtreviso]

Cool. Should be easy to display the facts then.. You are a smart guy.. just show us idiots and that will be that.


Waiting....




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BTW, I answered your question, but you have not answered mine. Please define "rich" for me. I have been most patient...

Charges against Ken Lay were vacated.. Worthy again of worship by scotty..
WINNER!!!!! whoooo hooooooo

 

[Hugh Januss]

Cool. Should be easy to display the facts then.. You are a smart guy.. just show us idiots and that will be that.


Waiting....




Waiting....




BTW, I answered your question, but you have not answered mine. Please define "rich" for me. I have been most patient...

Rich. Two or three of his businesses tank, he lays off 40 or 50 people, then goes for a two week ski vacation to the condo in Vail.
As to the other, you are not really that dumb, are you?

 

[rhubroma]

They are some of the richest most powerful people in the world who pulled a swindle of nearly epic proportions and Patrick wants a link to the paper trail they left on the intrawebz.

The funny and terrible thing all at once, is that personally speaking I have never stated that we specifically went to war in the Middle East at the command of a particular corporate entity. Though this is all too obvious for the ingenuous to have to pay attention to, given that truth and reality are too distracting to the ideologues and inconvenient to their purpose (to ridicule and dismiss).

What I have suggested, to put it another way, is that the invasion of Iraq was exclusively for oil and was only clothed in an ideological premise of exporting democracy to provide "legitimacy" to the real, but not openly stated, purpose.

We can also be sure that the terrorists only handed the neo-cons over an alibi on a silver plate and a timing that allowed them to pursue an objective they had been discussing for years that was, in this sense, premeditated.

That there were also back room discussions before the invasion between Cheney and his corporate friends at Halliburton we can be sure of, at least this is my personal conviction, even though these things are very difficult to prove behind what simple logic and common sense tell us.

But I know there are those for whom simple logic and common sense are the rarest of faculties, who thus for either cynicism or stupidity (though at times one needs to be really stupid to be so cynical) always want the so called documentary proofs, as if all of life were a court hearing the rules of which in terms of innocence or guilt should also be those held to in everyday life by normal thinking human beings.

Never mind that the court has a certain rational that can't, nor should it, be applied to how the public opinion takes shape in a functioning democracy. Whereas the information we have is pitifully incomplete and what is often in circulation are merely lies to falsify the truth. The government not only loves it that way, but is the actual culture in which they are capable of working in the interests of some of the richest most powerful people in the world who pulled a swindle of epic proportions. To then pass it off to the public as something entirely different.

I only omitted the word "nearly" from your statement.

 

[patricknd]

The funny and terrible thing all at once, is that personally speaking I have never stated that we specifically went to war in the Middle East at the command of a particular corporate entity. Though this is all too obvious for the ingenuous to have to pay attention to, given that truth and reality are too distracting to the ideologues and inconvenient to their purpose (to ridicule and dismiss).

What I have suggested, to put it another way, is that the invasion of Iraq was exclusively for oil and was only clothed in an ideological premise of exporting democracy to provide "legitimacy" to the real, but not openly stated, purpose.

We can also be sure that the terrorists only handed the neo-cons over an alibi on a silver plate and a timing that allowed them to pursue an objective they had been discussing for years that was, in this sense, premeditated.

That there were also back room discussions before the invasion between Cheney and his corporate friends at Halliburton we can be sure of, at least this is my personal conviction, even though these things are very difficult to prove behind what simple logic and common sense tell us.

But I know there are those for whom simple logic and common sense are the rarest of faculties, who thus for either cynicism or stupidity (though at times one needs to be really stupid to be so cynical) always want the so called documentary proofs, as if all of life were a court hearing the rules of which in terms of innocence or guilt should also be those held to in everyday life by normal thinking human beings.

Never mind that the court has a certain rational that can't, nor should it, be applied to how the public opinion takes shape in a functioning democracy. Whereas the information we have is pitifully incomplete and what is often in circulation are merely lies to falsify the truth. The government not only loves it that way, but is the actual culture in which they are capable of working in the interests of some of the richest most powerful people in the world who pulled a swindle of epic proportions. To then pass it off to the public as something entirely different.

I only omitted the word "nearly" from your statement.

it took you almost half of a page to say what should have been said originally.

you see rube, sometimes people wrongly shoot the messenger for the content of the message. other times, they shoot the messenger for the manner of his delivery.

step back, rube, look in the mirror, then ask yourself: "is this why they take shots?"

and finally rube, this question begs an answer. are you using spell check now?

 

[Anonymous]

Rich. Two or three of his businesses tank, he lays off 40 or 50 people, then goes for a two week ski vacation to the condo in Vail.
As to the other, you are not really that dumb, are you?

Vague and vaguer.


I was curious as to what constitutes burden of proof to you. Answering my question with a consescending question is less than impressive.

Since you are so bitter towards the 'rich' I was just trying to figure out who, by your definition, these folks are. You can't seem to answer that one but I suspect you know a rich person when you see one, eh?

 

[redtreviso]

Vague and vaguer.


I was curious as to what constitutes burden of proof to you. Answering my question with a consescending question is less than impressive.

Since you are so bitter towards the 'rich' I was just trying to figure out who, by your definition, these folks are. You can't seem to answer that one but I suspect you know a rich person when you see one, eh?

Here's an answer for you scott.. NOT YOU.. You are as close to TT in the eyes of the people you vote for as TT people. The Gulfstream interior design guy doesn't know you.

 

[ChrisE]

it took you almost half of a page to say what should have been said originally.

you see rube, sometimes people wrongly shoot the messenger for the content of the message. other times, they shoot the messenger for the manner of his delivery.

step back, rube, look in the mirror, then ask yourself: "is this why they take shots?"

and finally rube, this question begs an answer. are you using spell check now?

C'mon now, do you not believe there is a military/industrial complex in the US? War is big business and good to keep the sheep in line. Win/win.

It's hard to disagree with rubarb here:

What I have suggested, to put it another way, is that the invasion of Iraq was exclusively for oil and was only clothed in an ideological premise of exporting democracy to provide "legitimacy" to the real, but not openly stated, purpose.

We can also be sure that the terrorists only handed the neo-cons over an alibi on a silver plate and a timing that allowed them to pursue an objective they had been discussing for years that was, in this sense, premeditated.

US foreign policy has taken advantage of the terrorist attacks of 911 as cover for their real goals. Both parties. This, along with our prop up of dictators until their usefulness wears out, then we promote "democracy", is seen by the world as hypocrisy. Sprinkle that with some collateral damage to the innocents next door while we are "smoking out the evildoers" with drone strikes and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out why the US is dispised.

 

[patricknd]

C'mon now, do you not believe there is a military/industrial complex in the US? War is big business and good to keep the sheep in line. Win/win.

It's hard to disagree with rubarb here:



US foreign policy has taken advantage of the terrorist attacks of 911 as cover for their real goals. Both parties. This, along with our prop up of dictators until their usefulness wears out, then we promote "democracy", is seen by the world as hypocrisy. Sprinkle that with some collateral damage to the innocents next door while we are "smoking out the evildoers" with drone strikes and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out why the US is dispised.

did you not get the whole messenger thing? i haven't argued the message, just the manner of delivery.

 

[ChrisE]

did you not get the whole messenger thing? i haven't argued the message, just the manner of delivery.

rubarb just has his rough edges. Sitting over at his sidewalk cafe in Rome lubed up on wine tends to make him ramble on. Maybe he will publish a cliff notes of his ramblings for us simpletons.

 

[Hugh Januss]

US foreign policy has taken advantage of the terrorist attacks of 911 as cover for their real goals. Both parties. This, along with our prop up of dictators until their usefulness wears out, then we promote "democracy", is seen by the world as hypocrisy. Sprinkle that with some collateral damage to the innocents next door while we are "smoking out the evildoers" with drone strikes and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out why the US is dispised.

While we are on the subject(s) of spellcheck and Patrick and Rube, the word is despised.
I agree with the subject of your post.

 

[patricknd]

rubarb just has his rough edges. Sitting over at his sidewalk cafe in Rome lubed up on wine tends to make him ramble on. Maybe he will publish a cliff notes of his ramblings for us simpletons.

While we are on the subject(s) of spellcheck and Patrick and Rube, the word is despised.
I agree with the subject of your post.

and here i was nice enough not to point that out (the spelling) but do i get any credit? hell no.


now i'm getting curious about something. is it not completely obvious that i'm pretty much always being contrary just to be contrary?

has anyone noticed that while i like to f@#k with red and rube, i actually keep my opinions to myself most of the time?

i thought it was really obvious, but maybe i was wrong. wow, so that's what it feels like.

 

[rhubroma]

it took you almost half of a page to say what should have been said originally.

you see rube, sometimes people wrongly shoot the messenger for the content of the message. other times, they shoot the messenger for the manner of his delivery.

step back, rube, look in the mirror, then ask yourself: "is this why they take shots?"

and finally rube, this question begs an answer. are you using spell check now?

In fact I have always said this, you just wanted to read something else. Your lack of perspicacity has unavoidably clouded your judgment. Though this doesn't change the substantial truth in what I pointed out.

As far as the manner of my delivery goes, you may find it to be appalling, which no doubt it is and worse, though I feel the same when made to confront your unprincipled conduct and baseness. While taking shots is no problem, because I give them back.

As far as spell check goes my Italian computer does not provide this service in English. This makes things more tedious, if nothing else.

Now do you have any further questions?

 

[rhubroma]

and here i was nice enough not to point that out (the spelling) but do i get any credit? hell no.


now i'm getting curious about something. is it not completely obvious that i'm pretty much always being contrary just to be contrary?

has anyone noticed that while i like to f@#k with red and rube, i actually keep my opinions to myself most of the time?

i thought it was really obvious, but maybe i was wrong. wow, so that's what it feels like.

No, it has really been obvious all along. In fact, you have never had anything useful or constructive to say, yet you recoil from no baseness.

This is, of course, a great indication of your cowardliness.

 

[ChrisE]

lol yeah, patrick. Your lack of persicacity has unavoidably clouded your judgement to the point that you recoil from no baseness. You are one of those for whom simple logic and common sense are the rarest of faculties.

It's a little early, but I think I'm gonna grab a beer and rest for awhile.

 

[patricknd]

No, it has really been obvious all along. In fact, you have never had anything useful or constructive to say, yet you recoil from no baseness.

This is, of course, a great indication of your cowardliness.

i recognize all of this for the mental masturbation that it is.

 

[rhubroma]

i recognize all of this for the mental masturbation that it is.

Such illnesses are irksome but not fatal.

 

[ChrisE]

Such illnesses are irksome but not fatal.

You must be a little exasperated that Obama not only carries on but expands Bush's foreign policy and civil rights abuses. Do you think Americans are beyond repair?

 

[redtreviso]

You must be a little exasperated that Obama not only carries on but expands Bush's foreign policy and civil rights abuses. Do you think Americans are beyond repair?

think the MIC would show Obama some dealy plaza pictures in case he had other plans?

 

[rhubroma]

You must be a little exasperated that Obama not only carries on but expands Bush's foreign policy and civil rights abuses. Do you think Americans are beyond repair?

Exasperated? Why?

It's normal and completely to be expected, no?

Beyind repair? Taking mankind as a whole, then, we may say that it has developed a monstrous, grotesque and quite stagering virulence to lead a miserable existence, whether they want to or not, and have to come to terms with it.

 

[ChrisE]

think the MIC would show Obama some dealy plaza pictures in case he had other plans?

lol so you think he spewed all that rhetoric about closing gitmo, detainees rights, stopping the wars, etc. as a candidate and then all of a sudden started thinking of getting assassinated once he was in office? For good life insurance he decided to go ahead expand Bush's policies and for extra coverage decided to increase the collateral damage in the evildoer lands and drop some bombs on another muslim country?

He is either the biggest opportunistic liar ever in US politics (and that is saying alot), or he was just taking you for a ride in 2008? How can you, with your political leanings, possibly defend any of his foreign policy, for whatever reason?

 

[patricknd]

lol so you think he spewed all that rhetoric about closing gitmo, detainees rights, stopping the wars, etc. as a candidate and then all of a sudden started thinking of getting assassinated once he was in office? For good life insurance he decided to go ahead expand Bush's policies and for extra coverage decided to increase the collateral damage in the evildoer lands and drop some bombs on another muslim country?

He is either the biggest opportunistic liar ever in US politics (and that is saying alot), or he was just taking you for a ride in 2008? How can you, with your political leanings, possibly defend any of his foreign policy, for whatever reason?

i will admit, to my eternal shame, to actually believing he might carry through on gitmo, but are you really surprised by any of this?
no matter how thin you slice it, it's still bologna.