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Scott SoCal said:
Not sure there's too many conservatives supporting OWS.
And Duke supports the TP too (and yes, he's most definitely a social conservative, although I will grant you that he's more insane than anything, really):

http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/david-duke-defends-tea-parties-charg

(btw I watched the entire video and unless you really, really want to hear what he says, I'd suggest you don't - felt like I needed to take a shower afterward. There is something seriously wrong with that guy.)

Also, btw, if you do watch the video, it would seem apparent that Duke's support of OWS is because he believes all of the big banks and financial companies etc - Goldman Sachs for eg - are controlled by Jews, and I suppose in his twisted way of thinking the OWS movement is going to bring them down.
 
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VeloCity said:
And Duke supports the TP too (and yes, he's most definitely a social conservative, although I will grant you that he's more insane than anything, really):

http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/david-duke-defends-tea-parties-charg

(btw I watched the entire video and unless you really, really want to hear what he says, I'd suggest you don't - felt like I needed to take a shower afterward. There is something seriously wrong with that guy.)

Also, btw, if you do watch the video, it would seem apparent that Duke's support of OWS is because he believes all of the big banks and financial companies etc - Goldman Sachs for eg - are controlled by Jews, and I suppose in his twisted way of thinking the OWS movement is going to bring them down.

People should be aware of agent provocateurs with David Duke's message invading the OWS.. There's no doubt that the republican party and the Teabaggers are the choice of the Klan. I'm sure Karl Rove is all over the idea already.
 
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redtreviso said:
I thought david duke wasn't a racist ,. he is just pro-white people.. That's what all of your kind say about him..

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about 10 years ago i was a guest at a dinner party at the club of a patrician louisiana family. it was during an election so the televisions in the bar were tuned to news with the volume off. david duke appeared on the television and i groaned or made some comment indicating my disapproval. the hostess and matron of the family wondered at my reaction. i said, bewildered, "he is a racist." she replied, "he isn't a racist."
"b,b,b,but, he hates black people."
"that doesn't make him a racist." then she turned to her daughter who had invited me and condescendingly said, "i like your friends. they have strange ideas."

FWIW

VeloCity said:
He's also a conservative (just so there's no misunderstanding).

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he being a conservative just goes to show how inadequate and unnecessarily limiting labels are.

Scott SoCal said:
Not sure there's too many conservatives supporting OWS.

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i am not sure you are correct about this. perhaps mainstream conservative media figures aren't supportive of OWS, but, anecdotally, conversations that i have had with tea party supporters and orange county republicans indicate support for some of the ideas and frustrations of the protesters. it is an uneasy alliance to be sure, but one born out of the same frustration.
 
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drugs? cocaine?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7M4gz97Y9W8

WASHINGTON -- Republican presidential candidate Rick Perry raised some eyebrows Friday night with a speech performance in Manchester, N.H., that was unusually expressive.

A Huffington Post reporter was in the audience for the speech but did not have a chance to review video footage of the Texas governor's remarks until Saturday afternoon when a montage of moments in the speech surfaced on YouTube.

The video below is not a full version of his remarks. It is a carefully edited montage designed to highlight the giddiest and strangest moments of a roughly 25-minute speech. ....

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/29/video-rick-perrys-unusual-speech-performance_n_1065571.html
 
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Obama's most disgraceful, or at least most high profile, fail.:(

Former US chief prosecutor condemns 'law-free zone' of Guantánamo

Ten years on from its creation, calls are mounting from legal and human rights experts for closure of the 'torture' centre on Cuba

Ed Vulliamy in New York
The Observer, Sunday 30 October 2011

The former chief prosecutor for the US government at Guantánamo Bay has accused the administration he served of operating a "law-free zone" there, on the eve of the 10th anniversary of the order to establish the detention camp on Cuba.

Retired air force colonel Morris Davis resigned in October 2007 in protest against interrogation methods at Guantánamo, and has made his remarks in the lead-up to 13 November, the anniversary of President George W Bush's executive order setting up military commissions to try terrorist suspects.

Davis said that the methods of interrogation used on Guantánamo detainees – which he described as "torture" – were in breach of the US's own statutes on torture, and added: "If torture is a crime, it should be prosecuted."

The US military, he said, had been ordered to use unlawful methods of interrogation by "civilian politicians, and to do so against our will and judgment".

Davis was speaking at a conference on human rights law at Bard College in New York state. After resigning from the armed forces, in a dramatic defection to the other side of the raging debate over conditions at the camp, he became executive director of, and counsel to, the Crimes of War project based in Washington DC. The speech was to launch the project's 10th anniversary campaign and to protest against the existence of the camp and the torture there and at so-called "black sites" run by US intelligence around the world.

"No court has jurisdiction over Guantánamo," said Davis. "Some senior civilian Bush adminstration officials chose Guantánamo to interrogate detainees because they thought it's a law-free zone where we can unlawfully… handle a very small number of cases. We have turned our backs on the law and created what we believed was a place outside the law's reach." He added that America was "great at preaching to others, but not so good at practising what we preach. There is a point when enough is enough, and you have to look at yourself in the mirror. Torture has no place in American courts."

He admitted that "for a couple of years I was a leading advocate of military tribunals", but at his first meeting as prosecutor "I told my prosecution team that I would not use any enhanced interrogation techniques – we didn't need to". However, he continued: "We had these political appointees telling us to get in there and use them."

Speaking to the Observer, he said: "The uniformed services were in opposition to what was going on. But the military was cut out of the loop. Civilian politicians excluded the military in establishing the process and then handed it to me, saying: 'Here, go make it work.' Political appointees were making the decisions and, so far as I was concerned, the methods being used were unlawful. They said: 'President Bush said we don't use torture, so if the president said it's not torture, who are you to say it is?' " At first, said Davis, "the Bush administration didn't want civilian lawyers involved. They didn't even want the Red Cross on the island."

Davis, an expert on the law of war, and former judge advocate for the US Air Force, said that prisoners at Guantánamo have "fallen between" the conventions and rules governing prisoners of war. He questioned the notion of a "war on terror", saying: "Prisoners of war are supposed to have been captured on the battlefield. Abducting people off the streets of Indonesia and other places far from Afghanistan is pushing the envelope on what is a battlefield. The whole world is in essence the battlefield."

After his resignation in 2007 and retirement in 2008, Morris was officially deemed to have acted "dishonourably". But, he said: "The people who said I had behaved dishonourably were all political appointees. I've had no one from the military or the intelligence community who has criticised what I did."

Davis's Crimes of War project is leading pressure on the administration of President Barack Obama during Guantánamo's 10th anniversary, with firm reminders of Obama's unequivocal pledges to abolish military commissions and close the camp. Professor Thomas Keenan, the head of the Bard College human rights programme, which staged the conference, said: "The president campaigned on a pledge to close down the jail at Guantánamo Bay, and to end the use of military commissions to try its inmates. How is it possible that, two years after he was elected, there are still more than 150 prisoners there, and this November, one of them will go on trial before one of those very commissions?"

The 10th anniversary of the executive order will come four days after the arraignment on 9 November of Saudi-born former millionaire Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri, accused of masterminding the attack on the USS Cole that killed 17 US sailors in 2000. The trial is the first to be held at Guantánamo in which the government will seek the death penalty.

But lawyers for al-Nashiri, who claim he was tortured at a "black site" in Poland, will present a motion arguing that the trial is meaningless, since the government has said it will not necessarily release the accused even if he is acquitted.

Davis said he thought the handling of terrorist suspects should proceed "one step at a time, and the first step is to close Guantánamo". Trials could then be moved to the federal courts.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/oct/30/guantanamo-morris-davis
 
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Last nights weather will test the will of the NYC protesters. A double slam was that the people making and serving food are getting angry that professional homeless people are eating more than their fair share of herb chicken and organic salad greens. 1 guy quoted in the paper said he has been able to eat between 2 and 3 chickens a day by entering the line after quickly eating. The couple inches of slushy snow will be harsh to deal with.
 
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Testimony Ends in Bout Trial in U.S.

The U.S. government has completed presenting evidence in the weapons dealing case against Russian businessman Viktor Bout, and defense lawyers called no witnesses, setting the stage for closing arguments this week.

Prosecutors finished Friday with two witnesses who testified that they saw Bout in the 1990s watching planes being loaded with weapons and soldiers in East Africa for a trip to the Congo.

The testimony seemed meant to buttress the government's portrayal of Bout as a powerful international weapons dealer who eagerly stepped into a 2008 sting operation arranged by the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration. In the sting, the focus of the trial in Manhattan federal court, two DEA operatives posed as anti-American rebels who wanted to buy weapons from Bout for use in Colombia.

Full article

Viktor Bout is an arms dealer and sold weapons to everyone from Liberia's president to Congolese rebels, so good thing the man is in jail.

But-

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/6991487.stm

Indeed, one of the most surprising sections of the new book details how the US military used planes allegedly subcontracted to companies associated with Mr Bout to deliver supplies to the American war effort in Iraq.

By this time, the informal cell of US officials working on tracking Mr Bout, set up under the Clinton era, had lost clout.

It wasn't that the US overtly wanted to deal with Bout-associated companies but that Washington now had different interests, given its greater emphasis on Iraq.

His planes were available, at the right price, and his crews were ready to take the risks - like elsewhere in the world, in other eras. And maybe - given that he is still at large - like now.

It's a show trial, the outcome is obvious. Life imprisonment for Bout
 
Jul 4, 2011
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Tymoshenko to be investigated for murder

Ukrainian prosecutors are to investigate whether former Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko, jailed for abuse of power, was involved in the murder of a member of parliament, news agency Unian quoted a senior prosecutor on Saturday as saying.

Tymoshenko's spokeswoman Natalya Lisova dismissed the allegation, saying: "This is absurd. The government desire to get rid of political opposition has crossed all limits."

The investigation is into the 1996 contract killing of deputy Yevhen Shcherban, private agency Unian quoted Deputy Prosecutor General Renat Kuzmin as saying. Shcherban was shot in an airport.

Kuzmin was quoted as saying prosecutors had evidence that Tymoshenko could be involved in the crime, along with Pavlo Lazarenko, who was prime minister at the time and has since been jailed in the United Staates for fraud and money laundering.

http://ca.reuters.com/article/topNews/idCATRE79S2YH20111029?sp=true

EU Rules Out Sanctions Against Ukraine Because Of Tymoshenko Verdict

NATO To Consider Tymoshenko Trial When Evaluating Implementation Of Ukraine-NATO Cooperation Program For 2011
 
Jul 4, 2011
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Khodorkovsky's Ex-Cellmate Seeks British Asylum

Jailed billionaire Mikhail Khodorkovsky's former cellmate is seeking political asylum in Britain after saying prison officials forced him to attack the tycoon and accuse him of sexual harassment.

Alexander Kuchma, who served part of a seven-year sentence for armed robbery in a Siberian prison with Khodorkovsky, told news site Gazeta.ru that he had written to the British ambassador.

"I ask that you grant me political asylum in Britain on the grounds that my life and freedom are in danger," the site cited Kuchma's appeal as saying.

British Embassy officials did not return a call for comment.

Kuchma, who was released in February, said guards tortured him and forced him to assault Khodorkovsky in 2006. He also said he was made to file a 2009 lawsuit claiming that the former Yukos chief made homosexual advances while they shared a cell.

Khodorkovsky, once Russia's wealthiest man, was sentenced in 2003 to eight years in prison for tax evasion and fraud. His sentence was extended last December until 2016 in what was widely viewed as political persecution.
 
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Peaceful arrest of some 18 protesters in my city. Arrested for breaking curfew laws in city parks. Police waited a few hours and after first city parks officials, then some officers pleading with people to leave, finally arrested the people squatting. They wisely slowly arrested them one at a time. Took a while, but with almost zero incident. Everyone finally dispersed by about 4am.
 
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Alpe d'Huez said:
Peaceful arrest of some 18 protesters in my city. Arrested for breaking curfew laws in city parks. Police waited a few hours and after first city parks officials, then some officers pleading with people to leave, finally arrested the people squatting. They wisely slowly arrested them one at a time. Took a while, but with almost zero incident. Everyone finally dispersed by about 4am.

damn hippies..

check comments

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10150325893010904.337000.65391820903&type=1
 
May 23, 2010
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""For our purposes in 2012, the most interesting part of the manual that is located in an appendix titled The 14 Words Republicans Should Never Use. Luntz introduced the list by writing, “Sometimes it is not what you say that matters but what you don’t say. Other times a single word or phrase can undermine or destroy the credibility of a paragraph or entire presentation. This memo was originally prepared exclusively for Congressional spouses because they are your eyes and ears, a one-person reality check and truth squad combined. However, by popular demand, I have included and expanded that document because effectively communicating the New American Lexicon requires you to STOP saying words and phrases that undermine your ability to educate the American people. So from today forward, YOU are the language police. From today forward, these are the words never to say again.”



Here’s the list:


Never say/ Instead say:



1. Government / Washington


2. Privatization/Private Accounts / Personalization/Personal Accounts


3. Tax Reform / Tax Simplification


4. Inheritance/Estate Tax / The Death Tax


5. A Global Economy/Globalization/Capitalism/ Free Market Economy


6. Outsourcing/ Taxation, Regulation, Litigation, Innovation, Education


7. Undocumented Workers/ Illegal Aliens


8. Foreign Trade/ International Trade


9. Drilling for oil/ Exploring for energy


10. Tort Reform/ Lawsuit Abuse Reform


11. Trial Lawyer/ Personal Injury Lawyer


12. Corporate Transparency/ Corporate Accountability


13. School Choice/ Parental Choice/Equal Opportunity in Education


14. Healthcare “Choice”/ “The Right to Choose”




All of these words and phrases were decided on based on focus groups and polling. Terms like undocumented worker are still not used by Republicans. Instead, the much more politically loaded term illegal alien is used. Luntz also makes extensive use of language that implies a positive or negative right. The term parental choice implies that Republicans are positively defending the right of parents to decide where their children go to school. In reality voucher programs take money away from public schools and don’t give parents enough funds to cover the tuition and expenses of a private institution, but this fact is covered up by invoking the positive language of choice.""

http://www.politicususa.com/en/14-secret-gop-words
 
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No offence intended and it's old, but it made me laugh when I saw it yesterday.
 
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gregod said:
has anyone ever been arrested at a tea party protest?

They don't have tea party "protests"... they have tea party Rallies.. Cheerleading for *ick Armey and the Koch Brothers..Rallies for Deregulation..Phil Gramm and Goldmann Sachs love the Tea Party and their less than harmless faux complaining.
 
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redtreviso said:
They don't have tea party "protests"... they have tea party Rallies.. Cheerleading for *ick Armey and the Koch Brothers..Rallies for Deregulation..Phil Gramm and Goldmann Sachs love the Tea Party and their less than harmless faux complaining.

what is the difference between a rally and a protest? they are both mass gatherings where people are holding up signs that express their dissatisfaction, overburdening public facilities like parks, buses and police while disrupting local private businesses and homes..
 
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It isn't often that the Indian govt comes off very well at handling protests but surely they handled the anti-corruption protests (which was beyond huge) better than occupy wall street (and equivalent protests around the world). The one time they did arrest the leader of the movement (preventive custody), it was met with widespread condemnation from all sections of the media, both pro and anti govt.
 
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gregod said:
what is the difference between a rally and a protest. they are both mass gatherings where people are holding up signs that express their dissatisfaction, overburdening public facilities like parks, buses and police while disrupting local private businesses and homes..

one will get you arrested..the other is no threat to the powers that be..The powers that be chartered the bus that brought them there.
 
ramjambunath said:
*quickly google the word*
*find out that fica is in singular*
*learn Berlusconi will sue Rhubroma for defamation of character and stamina*

:p

Nope. That's just what Berlusconi said, in his own words, so I just repeated it.

Imagine, though, what a sensational performance such a party would be.
 
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Wow, in that case, I can't help but discreetly admire the bloke's unabashed partying culture. It wouldn't turn into votes though, ever.

Only one fellow in Indian politics matches him. ND Tiwari got involved in a sex scandal aged 80. It even got onto The Sun.
 
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