Worlds in 2020 (Switzerland) and 2021 (Belgium (Flanders))

[Jagartrott]

You're on to something, but I think we should make it 6 laps. Don't want to make it too easy now, do we?

 

[Red Rick]

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It's being said that the 2020 route will include Champex-Lac (14km à 7%), followed by 7 laps around Petite-Forclaz (3.9km à 10%). They were used in Romandia about three years ago, when Pinot won.

4 kms at 10% sounds a bit much for a world's course.

Italy 2022 will use the Stelvio in the local laps, with a total of a million billion meters of climbing, which is sure to provide the good racing we all want to see.

I wish parcours builders would be more creative than just 'more climbing', 'steeper gradients'.

Like

Longer laps, with multiple different climbs, and a flat final 10km, that would motivate even the strongest rider on the hills to start hostilities early?

 

[May0maniac]

Re: Re:

It's being said that the 2020 route will include Champex-Lac (14km à 7%), followed by 7 laps around Petite-Forclaz (3.9km à 10%). They were used in Romandia about three years ago, when Pinot won.

4 kms at 10% sounds a bit much for a world's course.

It's basically more altitude gain than yesterday in 70% of the climbing distance.

It's silly.

Yeah, its over the top.
That said, I like the idea of having a hard, long climb before entering the circuit.

 

[Gigs_98]

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It's being said that the 2020 route will include Champex-Lac (14km à 7%), followed by 7 laps around Petite-Forclaz (3.9km à 10%). They were used in Romandia about three years ago, when Pinot won.

I mean, the racing would probably be great, but nonetheless this really is overkill.

 

[Bardamu]

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According to De Standaard;

Antwerp->Mechelen->Leuven.

There will be two local laps in Leuven, one including de Schavei and the Smeysberg. Another lap includes the WIjnpers and Keizersberg. Sint Antoniusberg should be in aswell which means alot of narrow streets I think. Wim Van Herreweghe sated some unknown cobbled sectors will be included aswell.
They've tried to come up with a parcours favoring the Flemish riders, a mix between de Ronde and Brabantse Pijl. They want to avoid a bunch sprint at all costs.

Then they should not go to Leuven.

 

[Red Rick]

Re: Re:

It's being said that the 2020 route will include Champex-Lac (14km à 7%), followed by 7 laps around Petite-Forclaz (3.9km à 10%). They were used in Romandia about three years ago, when Pinot won.

I mean, the racing would probably be great, but nonetheless this really is overkill.

Almost every really hard route ends up in months of hype followed by 6 hours of disappointment.

I think it could be better than this year for the following reasons

- No dumb finishing climb
- Pace is gonna be less high cause steeper climb-> domestiques who aren't working fatigue faster


How long would the flat part of every lap be?

Anyway, probably still goes down to who is strongest in the final lap or maybe final 2 laps.

Another interesting thing is that it's also an Olympic year with a very hard route. Tour is mandatory for Olympic challengers. Tour/Olympics/Vuelta/Worlds seems like a recipe for Suisse disaster.

My guess is the Vuelta would suffer from it.

 

[Gigs_98]

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It's being said that the 2020 route will include Champex-Lac (14km à 7%), followed by 7 laps around Petite-Forclaz (3.9km à 10%). They were used in Romandia about three years ago, when Pinot won.

I mean, the racing would probably be great, but nonetheless this really is overkill.

Almost every really hard route ends up in months of hype followed by 6 hours of disappointment.

I think it could be better than this year for the following reasons

- No dumb finishing climb
- Pace is gonna be less high cause steeper climb-> domestiques who aren't working fatigue faster

That's not really true though. Of the very mountainous one day races which were hyped up over the last few years (Lombardia since 2015 with the more mountainous routes, 2016 Olympics and now this WC) none were big disappointments. This WC RR wasn't as epic as I hoped but most realistic predictions already feared that the final murito will harm the race and at the end it was pretty good nonetheless. Last years lombardia was only decent too, but the 2015 and 2016 Lombardia and the 2016 Olympics were imo all among the best one day races of the last decade.

 

[Red Rick]

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It's being said that the 2020 route will include Champex-Lac (14km à 7%), followed by 7 laps around Petite-Forclaz (3.9km à 10%). They were used in Romandia about three years ago, when Pinot won.

I mean, the racing would probably be great, but nonetheless this really is overkill.

Almost every really hard route ends up in months of hype followed by 6 hours of disappointment.

I think it could be better than this year for the following reasons

- No dumb finishing climb
- Pace is gonna be less high cause steeper climb-> domestiques who aren't working fatigue faster

That's not really true though. Of the very mountainous one day races which were hyped up over the last few years (Lombardia since 2015 with the more mountainous routes, 2016 Olympics and now this WC) none were big disappointments. This WC RR wasn't as epic as I hoped but most realistic predictions already feared that the final murito will harm the race and at the end it was pretty good nonetheless. Last years lombardia was only decent too, but the 2015 and 2016 Lombardia and the 2016 Olympics were imo all among the best one day races of the last decade.

I was also thinking about how hyped the Culoz stage of the 2016 Tour was .

But really, for one day races it's really about how far away from the finish the last hard climb is. I honestly prefer the 2016 Lombardia route over the ones we have now.

 

[Valv.Piti]

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It's being said that the 2020 route will include Champex-Lac (14km à 7%), followed by 7 laps around Petite-Forclaz (3.9km à 10%). They were used in Romandia about three years ago, when Pinot won.

Dont have any problem with that tbh. The problem with this year's race was murito after the local laps on an easier climb

 

[Red Rick]

https://www.la-flamme-rouge.eu/maps/viewtrack/244605

 

[Climbing]

Nah, that won't happen, considering Innsbruck and Tokyo.

 

[Red Rick]

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Nah, that won't happen, considering Innsbruck and Tokyo.

Why wouldn't it happen?

 

[Valv.Piti]

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Nah, that won't happen, considering Innsbruck and Tokyo.

Why wouldn't it happen?

Considering the fact that Worlds heavily have favoured the hardmen from 2010-2017 minus Firenze (sometimes even just flat out sprinters), I cant see why it wouldnt happen either. Enough of these bad routes, lets swing the balance a bit.

 

[roundabout]

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It's being said that the 2020 route will include Champex-Lac (14km à 7%), followed by 7 laps around Petite-Forclaz (3.9km à 10%). They were used in Romandia about three years ago, when Pinot won.

Forclaz is a pretty important road. I don't see it being closed for a whole day on a Sunday

 

[May0maniac]

I'd rather have something like the Nürburgring once again.
No super hard ascents (yes, not the route from the 20ies with the Steilstrecke), but still 6,000m of altitude gain and a race that actually forces the climbers to attack and make the race really hard.

 

[Nirvana]

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It's being said that the 2020 route will include Champex-Lac (14km à 7%), followed by 7 laps around Petite-Forclaz (3.9km à 10%). They were used in Romandia about three years ago, when Pinot won.

4 kms at 10% sounds a bit much for a world's course.

Italy 2022 will use the Stelvio in the local laps, with a total of a million billion meters of climbing, which is sure to provide the good racing we all want to see.

I wish parcours builders would be more creative than just 'more climbing', 'steeper gradients'.

Call me crazy but i'd like to see one day a monster alpine marathon (not circuit) as WC, if you do something like Chianale-Alpe d'Huez you have 280 km with Agnello, Izoard, Montgenevre, Mont Cenis, Telegraphe, Galibier, Sarenne and the final uphill sprint. A real pure climbers WC.

 

[Climbing]

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Nah, that won't happen, considering Innsbruck and Tokyo.

Why wouldn't it happen?

I think UCI won't allow another "climber" route.
I won't mind it at all obviously.

 

[OlavEH]

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I'd rather have something like the Nürburgring once again.
No super hard ascents (yes, not the route from the 20ies with the Steilstrecke), but still 6,000m of altitude gain and a race that actually forces the climbers to attack and make the race really hard.

Anyone with a profile of the circuit used here?

 

[fauniera]

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I'd rather have something like the Nürburgring once again.
No super hard ascents (yes, not the route from the 20ies with the Steilstrecke), but still 6,000m of altitude gain and a race that actually forces the climbers to attack and make the race really hard.

Anyone with a profile of the circuit used here?

https://lasterketaburua.wordpress.com/2016/10/15/circuiti-mondiali/

 

[May0maniac]

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I'd rather have something like the Nürburgring once again.
No super hard ascents (yes, not the route from the 20ies with the Steilstrecke), but still 6,000m of altitude gain and a race that actually forces the climbers to attack and make the race really hard.

Anyone with a profile of the circuit used here?

https://lasterketaburua.wordpress.com/2016/10/15/circuiti-mondiali/

Yes, 12 laps on this one.
Fun fact, in 1927 they only did 8 laps, but with the Steilstrecke, a nasty Murito.

The Steilstrecke: