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Worlds ITT - Who will win it?

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Bala Verde said:
or sit up after his defect...

I'm a fan of Brad but I have a sneaking suspicion his mechanical was a mental one. When he saw how fast Canc was going he was already looking for a way out and a problem with the front mech did the job.
 
Sasquatch said:
Boasson Hagen will be top 3, or just miss out.

He finished outside the top 20.
I hope now finally people will listen to my constant whining of how Hagen is not THAT good yet.

Yes, he is a potential world champion and much more... but not now. This comes to soon, he is not more than an outsider for these type of races, at the moment

Also in the RR...
 
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dimspace said:
tt id rather see them cross the line and put the time in.. to be that far ahead to be able to say, look, im that good i can ease up and still destroy everyone.. just not my cup of tea...

To be fair, it's in his home nation... I don't see what is arrogant about a 100m victory celebration, cheered on by 1000s of Swiss fans, while he had already crushed the competition by a whopping 1:30-1:40.

(and if that loses your 'respect', whatever that means when projected onto a man you only know from TV...) :rolleyes:
 
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rolfrae said:
I'm a fan of Brad but I have a sneaking suspicion his mechanical was a mental one. When he saw how fast Canc was going he was already looking for a way out and a problem with the front mech did the job.

He had a real shot at bronze. I don't know the man, but throwing away a good shot at a medal by faking a defect just seems unlikely. Particularly since he probably knew from the start that getting caught by Spartacus was a real risk.
 
Fantastic win by Cancellara-as expected- which brings this question: what could had happened if Alberto Contador had decided to take part of it? He whooped Spartacus's *** in the TDF.....
I guess is too much "liability" and must of all "credibility" at stake for the event...
 
Cerberus said:
He had a real shot at bronze. I don't know the man, but throwing away a good shot at a medal by faking a defect just seems unlikely. Particularly since he probably knew from the start that getting caught by Spartacus was a real risk.

In all fairness, before Wiggins was caught, he was at the same split time of Moerenhout (7th) and actually losing ground...
 
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Dekker_Tifosi said:
In all fairness, before Wiggins was caught, he was at the same split time of Moerenhout (7th) and actually losing ground...

At 42k(the last split before the finish) he'd moved up to 5th and cut the gap to 3 seconds on Martin from 10 at the previous split. He was hardly losing ground.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/races/76th-uci-road-world-championships-cm/stages/stage-3/results

He might not have got 3rd and Cancellara is clearly a class apart, but it's just daft to suggest a pro rider who had every chance of a bronze would fake a mechanical.
 
RhodriM said:
At 42k(the last split before the finish) he'd moved up to 5th and cut the gap to 3 seconds on Martin from 10 at the previous split. He was hardly losing ground.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/races/76th-uci-road-world-championships-cm/stages/stage-3/results

He might not have got 3rd and Cancellara is clearly a class apart, but it's just daft to suggest a pro rider who had every chance of a bronze would fake a mechanical.
Yes, because at 42k he was caught by Cancellara and slipstreaming, duh

Read please. Before he was getting caught by Cancellara he was worsening and losing ground, on his own he would probably not even finished top 8. Thanks to Cancellara he had hope of top 3 all of a sudden. Although that would not have been fair
 
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Dekker_Tifosi said:
Yes, because at 42k he was caught by Cancellara and slipstreaming, duh

Read please. Before he was getting caught by Cancellara he was worsening and losing ground, on his own he would probably not even finished top 8. Thanks to Cancellara he had hope of top 3 all of a sudden. Although that would not have been fair

True, he probably wouldn't have had a shot at bronze if Cancellara hadn't caught him and Larson might not have won silver without it, but that doesn't change the fact that the chance was there. I don't see Wiggins faking a defect out af fairness.
 
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Dekker_Tifosi said:
Yes, because at 42k he was caught by Cancellara and slipstreaming, duh

Read please. Before he was getting caught by Cancellara he was worsening and losing ground, on his own he would probably not even finished top 8. Thanks to Cancellara he had hope of top 3 all of a sudden. Although that would not have been fair

Cancellara caught Wiggins before the 33km time check.

And Larson was told not to draft Cancellara.

But anyway, I just think the idea of him(or anyone else up there for that matter) faking a mechanical is a little rediculous.
 
I know, but when you get passed, especially these guys, they can 'hang on' even though riding at 10 meters.

It's something psychologically. Also see how Lars Boom could hang on to Vinokourov and suddenly improve his time, although he kept at 10 meters.

Thus, Wiggins and definately Larsson profited as well. I doubt Larsson would have beat Martin fairly (without Cance)
 
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Martin would probably have held of Wiggins even without the mechanical - he was faster than everyone except Cancellara in the final section.

Vino was really good at the end, really bad between the first and second timechecks
 
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Wiggins bike problem

Is this the first time the ITT used multiple laps of the same circuit?

It looks like this caused a bunching up of riders and following vehicles which caused Wiggins to wait for a replacement bike. I noticed Wiggins looking down at his bike several times before he stopped.

What was the problem with his bike?

Maybe Brad will be all fired up now to win on Sunday
 
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Dekker_Tifosi said:
I know, but when you get passed, especially these guys, they can 'hang on' even though riding at 10 meters.

It's something psychologically. Also see how Lars Boom could hang on to Vinokourov and suddenly improve his time, although he kept at 10 meters.

Thus, Wiggins and definately Larsson profited as well. I doubt Larsson would have beat Martin fairly (without Cance)

I do agree fully that Larsson took a major advantage from it. Quite simply I find it shocking that he wasn't disqualified. The rules state he must move to the other side of the road.

Not only did he not do that, he sat on Cancellara's direct slipstream for extended periods of time.

Martin and Zirbel have a right to feel very aggrieved. Larsson's medal is as worthless as Bodrogi's in 2007. Simply pathetic.

avanti said:
Is this the first time the ITT used multiple laps of the same circuit?

It looks like this caused a bunching up of riders and following vehicles which caused Wiggins to wait for a replacement bike. I noticed Wiggins looking down at his bike several times before he stopped.

What was the problem with his bike?

Maybe Brad will be all fired up now to win on Sunday

The bigger problem was the 1 minute time gaps. Should've been 3 minutes between the last wave of riders, as it usually is.
 
issoisso said:
I do agree fully that Larsson took a major advantage from it. Quite simply I find it shocking that he wasn't disqualified. The rules state he must move to the other side of the road.

Not only did he not do that, he sat on Cancellara's direct slipstream for extended periods of time.

Martin and Zirbel have a right to feel very aggrieved. Larsson's medal is as worthless as Bodrogi's in 2007. Simply pathetic.

That's bull****, he was a little close right at the beginning after Cancellara passed him and after that he was well outside the limits. The only advantage he had apart from perhaps for a minute was having Cancellara in line of sight. For the majority of the time he was over 10 seconds behind Cancellara which is alot more than the 25 meters that are allowed. Also when you're inside 25 meters the rule isn't that you should be on the other side of the road, the rule is there should be a 2 meter cap sideways.
 
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ingsve said:
That's bull****, he was a little close right at the beginning after Cancellara passed him and after that he was well outside the limits. The only advantage he had apart from perhaps for a minute was having Cancellara in line of sight. For the majority of the time he was over 10 seconds behind Cancellara which is alot more than the 25 meters that are allowed. Also when you're inside 25 meters the rule isn't that you should be on the other side of the road, the rule is there should be a 2 meter cap sideways.

Eurosport has re-played the last 45 mins. I made a point of watching. Larsson drafted heavily at several different times before finally being dropped.

No, the rule is the other side of the road. Had it been 2 meters, he still wouldn't have come close to following it.

If he had simply followed through corners, that would've been understandable, but he clearly ducked in and out of the slipstream for quite a while.

Just watch the replay, it's very very clear. he does it a number of times.

As for the "bull****" comment, I understand that people get very emotional whenever someone of their own nationality is involved, but that doesn't give you the right to be aggressive like that ;)
 
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Bala Verde said:
To be fair, it's in his home nation... I don't see what is arrogant about a 100m victory celebration, cheered on by 1000s of Swiss fans, while he had already crushed the competition by a whopping 1:30-1:40.

(and if that loses your 'respect', whatever that means when projected onto a man you only know from TV...) :rolleyes:

im just bitter and suspicious.. :D

and he smiled at me once anyway so :p its a shame though, without cancellera, and larsson drafting could have been a close competition.. :D
 
issoisso said:
Eurosport has re-played the last 45 mins. I made a point of watching. Larsson drafted heavily at several different times before finally being dropped.

I only watched it live and from what I saw there were some corners right after where he was close but for the most part he stayed to the side of Cancellara and not behind him.

issoisso said:
No, the rule is the other side of the road. Had it been 2 meters, he still wouldn't have come close to following it.

Read the rules, it's 2 meters. Wether he was 2 meters to the side or just 1.5 is hard to judge and that's why there's a commissioner there. He did come up and talk to Larsson once and after that I didn't see anything wrong.

issoisso said:
If he had simply followed through corners, that would've been understandable, but he clearly ducked in and out of the slipstream for quite a while.

Just watch the replay, it's very very clear. he does it a number of times.

I can't comment on that since I haven't seen the replay. Is it online? From what I saw though I didn't see anything you don't see in every ITT.
 
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The replay was on TV. The "place" I get the races online from is currently down for maintenance, so whenever it's back I'll be sure to get the race and clip out the segments of Larsson drafting. It was really quite obvious.
 
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Dekker_Tifosi said:
Thus, Wiggins and definately Larsson profited as well. I doubt Larsson would have beat Martin fairly (without Cance)

No way to know really, Larsson was only 8 seconds behind Tony Martin at 16,6km, that's not nearly enough to call the race. Clearly it would have been a closer contest without Larsson using Cancellara as rabbit.