Wout van Aert

[meat puppet]

If the data is legit, the 1-5min powers are nuts. Especially when combined with the rest of the power curve.

Based on Thomas' alleged 730w for a minute on TDF stage 4, I quickly back-of-the-enveloped WVA's one minute around 11+w/kg @75kg there. Given that Jumbo's attack lasted longer and was followed by a 10min solo TT at 60+kph, it probably was not a full all out 1min, but in or at least near the ballpark given these circumstances. Bonkers stuff, really.

 

[Nick2413]

If the data is legit, the 1-5min powers are nuts. Especially when combined with the rest of the power curve.

Based on Thomas' alleged 730w for a minute on TDF stage 4, I quickly back-of-the-enveloped WVA's one minute around 11+w/kg @75kg there. Given that Jumbo's attack lasted longer and was followed by a 10min solo TT at 60+kph, it probably was not a full all out 1min, but in or at least near the ballpark given these circumstances. Bonkers stuff, really.

I just happened upon that stage 4 freak show a couple days ago going through highlights since I was away during the first half of the tour and wow. That was another contender for biggest eyebrow raiser of the tour. Even more surprising is that once again it wasn’t even just WVA but half the Jumbo team, and they even dropped Roglic, who was still fully healthy at that point (I think?). Then WVA peeling even more time against the entire chasing peloton?

 

[Valv.Piti]

Its not out of the ordinary to pull such stuff out when youre one of the best punchers and at the same time the best rouleur in the peloton. Then you have lack of organization and tactics behind, and voila, you won the stage.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Its not out of the ordinary to pull such stuff out when youre one of the best punchers and at the same time the best rouleur in the peloton. Then you have lack of organization and tactics behind, and voila, you won the stage.

I think it was more tactics than lack of organization behind, as soon as Vingegaard and Yates dropped back the GC teams didn't have to chase anymore. If those two had stayed with Van Aert no way they would have stayed off until the finish.

 

[senna6541]

Wout's progression since he joined JV is suspicious at best - especially since covid. The climbing prowess is mysterious/supernatural. Go back to 2019 when he and MVDP hit the road together at 24 - with Wout putting more of a focus on it via his training/racing schedule. MVPD is vastly stronger - see races like RVV, AG, prior to Wout's TDF crash. But at JV Wout continues to "progress" from a guy who can't stay in his pedals up the final climb at SB at 23, to a freak dropping the likes of Pocagar on the final climb of a bizarre mountain stage where he attacked from the gun. Not buying JV.

 

[Ripper]

Wout's progression since he joined JV is suspicious at best - especially since covid. The climbing prowess is mysterious/supernatural. Go back to 2019 when he and MVDP hit the road together at 24 - with Wout putting more of a focus on it via his training/racing schedule. MVPD is vastly stronger - see races like RVV, AG, prior to Wout's TDF crash. But at JV Wout continues to "progress" from a guy who can't stay in his pedals up the final climb at SB at 23, to a freak dropping the likes of Pocagar on the final climb of a bizarre mountain stage where he attacked from the gun. Not buying JV.

Of course, it could be that Wout's now doing what van der Poel's been up to for a while. Done get me wrong, Wout's suspicious as anything, but Matthieu has had his share of ridiculous, just not as much recently.

 

[senna6541]

Of course, it could be that Wout's now doing what van der Poel's been up to for a while. Done get me wrong, Wout's suspicious as anything, but Matthieu has had his share of ridiculous, just not as much recently.

I don't see much suspicious about MVDP. He's pretty much done what everyone expected of him - at least anyone who followed him in CX. Some spectacular performances in classic type races - yes. Somehow transforming himself to a guy who can climb high mountains (w/o losing mass/power/ability to win TDF sprints) at such a level where he can drop the likes of Pocagar on the final climb -after attacking from the gun - on on one of the final stages of a TDF where he has barely had an easy day? No. Wout's level (and JV in general) at the TDF this year was completely unbelievable. Nothing MVDP has ever done seems remotely strange compared to this JV stuff.

 

[Ripper]

I don't see much suspicious about MVDP. He's pretty much done what everyone expected of him - at least anyone who followed him in CX. Some spectacular performances in classic type races - yes. Somehow transforming himself to a guy who can climb high mountains (w/o losing mass/power/ability to win TDF sprints) at such a level where he can drop the likes of Pocagar on the final climb -after attacking from the gun - on on one of the final stages of a TDF where he has barely had an easy day? No. Wout's level (and JV in general) at the TDF this year was completely unbelievable. Nothing MVDP has ever done seems remotely strange compared to this JV stuff.

Wout's been absurd, but I'm not arguing that. Nor am I saying this year it's even close (after all, I've called him WWtF).

I don't agree at all that van der Poel has not been ridiculous in his own way over the past few years. But no point in arguing that here.

 

[Red Rick]

I don't see much suspicious about MVDP. He's pretty much done what everyone expected of him - at least anyone who followed him in CX. Some spectacular performances in classic type races - yes. Somehow transforming himself to a guy who can climb high mountains (w/o losing mass/power/ability to win TDF sprints) at such a level where he can drop the likes of Pocagar on the final climb -after attacking from the gun - on on one of the final stages of a TDF where he has barely had an easy day? No. Wout's level (and JV in general) at the TDF this year was completely unbelievable. Nothing MVDP has ever done seems remotely strange compared to this JV stuff.

Van der Poel was getting creamed in mountain breakaways, like doing 5.3W/kg for 30 minutes and ***. Pretty weak sauce.

 

[Reemster]

Took on 4 roles today. Attacker, domestique 1, domestique 2 and sprinter.

I'm done