https://www.leparisien.fr/sports/cy...ue-ce-n-est-pas-normal-17-09-2020-8386752.php ( In French) Felliu does not believe in miracles when it comes to Wout van Aert. Says that people who knows cycling, will know that what Van Aert is doing is not really possible. LIke winning in the lottery twice.
Feillu assumes van Aert weighs 80. "Un mec de 80kg", he tweets. Which, he never even did on his worst winter form. Can't take a guy like that seriously imho.
No, I have missed nothing. In fact, it wasn't even in the post I quoted.
All I was wondering is why your own guesstimates in the post I quoted are better than other people's guesstimates.
So it's just because of some 'official' brochure without any sources of the actual data in it. Seems like running dangerously close to an appeal to authority fallacy since it's unlikely that you know what the source of the data was.
And don't *** tell me what my narrative is. I only wrote that he was significantly the biggest guy in that group yesterday. That's all. Don't go around inventing stuff.
Well, the 70kg from the official TDF brochure is more than what anybody else here so far has brought to the table. Considering they didn't just copy/paste the PCS or Wikipedia info, one might assume they have an actual source?
Also, i wasn't guessing. I know that in his worst winter, his weight was 78kg. That's a hard line. Now, you can beat around the bush and claim it's possible he didn't lose much weight or even that he gained weight since then since you want to cherrypick sources. That doesn't make it any more plausible. Also why would you assume the sources for every other rider are correct? You know that about every source used on riderdata is a lot shadier than this, right? You can send in a tweet of a random guy on Twitter claiming he saw the weight of a rider in a Zwift race as a source, and PCS will accept it. I'm not kidding. And once that's done, some other guy will put it on Wikipedia and quote PCS as a source, and then Google will put it in their info banner. And then, we can all start a clinic topic about how that rider is doing insane *** for a fatass. So excuse me if i find it a bit disingenuous to question this source. But i'm sure they just so happened to get "only" van Aert's weight incorrect, since all the other data seems pretty accurate. But hey, i'll play and disregard the source.
Yes, you simply "observed" that "he's the biggest guy from the group"... sure, i wasn't contesting that. Doesn't mean anything though. Dumoulin has repeatedly been "the biggest guy in the group" over the past 5 years. Is Dumoulin suspect every time he finishes along (or ahead of) 58kg climbers? The issue is whether it is plausible that he delivers such efforts if his weight is in the low 70's rather than in the high 70's, which most people assume he is. We already know from Jumbo that he pushes the most watts on the entire team by some margin. So he doesn't even have to be as light as Dumoulin in order to do what he did. Again, over the course of 3 weeks he didn't come close to Dumoulin's climbing level, who already weighs (supposedly) 69kg, and who has been far removed from his best form as well. So, what would be a plausible weight for him, to do what he did?
Dumoulin won the Giro weighing over 71kg in week 3:
https://www.ad.nl/wielrennen/een-ki...in-de-data-achter-de-podiumplaatsen~acf408ab/. If Dumoulin can win the Giro on 71kg, then what would the clinic deem acceptable for van Aert to weigh considering Dumoulin was not on his best form the past month and yet still a lot better than van Aert uphill?
So in conclusion, the facts we know:
Dumoulin wins the Giro with 71kg.
Van Aert's
highest known weight (winter) prior to joining TJV: 78kg
Van Aert lost "weight" (no exact number quoted, but he did mention that he also lost as much as possible unneeded upper body muscles)
Van Aert pushes bigger numbers than Dumoulin (best of the entire team, source: TJV).
Off-form Dumoulin climbs a lot better than on-form van Aert.
I'm sorry but i'm not really seeing the issue, unless Dumoulin's Giro (who then rode for Sunweb) is suspect too.
He lost the fat sounds familiar. He always had the engine also sounds familiar.
Given his 3 week exploits in this Tour it seems he is now a climber first who is also a classics specialist, sprinter and TTer.
That makes him a "once in a generation" rider but I thought that got awarded to Remco?
Really? He wins Strade, San Remo and two (disrupted) sprints... finishes 80 minutes down in GC and manages to only once (barely) make the elite group in a mountain stage, but he's a climber first.