Étoile de Bessèges 2023 (February 1-5)

[Potomac]

Accordng PCS, Powless and Skjelmose have gone head to head 3 times in ITT and Powless did better all three times.

 

[janraaskalt]

in the past years there always was. Maybe it'll be listed in the full results later on at least:

VotreCourse : Résultat de la course 53è Etoile de Bessèges

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So Skjelmose did the climb 3.5 secs faster than Powless, but lost it on the flat.

 

[search]

yep, here's a bit better visualization of it:

RANK​	NAME	INT		CLIMB		FINISH​
1​	PEDERSEN Mads	11:10,20 (2.)		4:15,02 (4.)		15:25,2​
2​	TARLING Michael Joshua	11:06,67 (1.)		4:26,53 (13.)		15:33,2​
3​	TULETT Ben	11:28,05 (10.)		4:07,29 (1.)		15:35,3​
4​	VAUQUELIN Kévin	11:23,88 (7.)		4:12,32 (3.)		15:36,2​
5​	LATOUR Pierre	11:22,26 (4.)		4:17,78 (5.)		15:40,0​
6​	NIELSEN Magnus Cort	11:23,37 (6.)		4:21,85 (8.)		15:45,2​
7​	TURNER Ben	11:34,48 (13.)		4:10,75 (2.)		15:45,2​
8​	POWLESS Neilson	11:22,73 (5.)		4:23,79 (9.)		15:46,5​
9​	JENSEN Skjelmose Mattias	11:30,94 (12.)		4:20,37 (6.)		15:51,3​
10​	ARMIRAIL Bruno	11:27,29 (8.)		4:24,28 (11.)		15:51,6​
11​	SUTER Joel	11:20,23 (3.)		4:32,95 (19.)		15:53,2​
12​	BISSEGGER Stefan	11:27,88 (9.)		4:36,52 (28.)		16:04,4​
13​	PINOT Thibaut	11:40,60 (15.)		4:30,78 (17.)		16:11,4​
14​	PEREZ Anthony	11:37,70 (14.)		4:35,43 (26.)		16:13,1​
15​	CARR Simon	11:49,84 (23.)		4:24,72 (12.)		16:14,6​
16​	GUERNALEC Thibault	11:42,03 (16.)		4:34,21 (21.)		16:16,2​
17​	SIVAKOV Pavel	11:42,88 (17.)		4:34,44 (24.)		16:17,3​
18​	TILLER Rasmus	11:57,91 (38.)		4:20,53 (7.)		16:18,4​
19​	THOMAS Benjamin	11:29,78 (11.)		4:49,08 (59.)		16:18,9​
20​	PERICHON Pierre Luc	11:46,31 (21.)		4:34,28 (22.)		16:20,6​

 

[janraaskalt]

The climb totally owned by the Grenadiers' Benz.

 

[RedheadDane]

yep, here's a bit better visualization of it:

RANK​	NAME	INT		CLIMB		FINISH​
6​	NIELSEN Magnus Cort	11:23,37 (6.)		4:21,85 (8.)		15:45,2​
9​	JENSEN Skjelmose Mattias	11:30,94 (12.)		4:20,37 (6.)		15:51,3​

They're just getting the names wrong.

 

[DNP-Old]

yep, here's a bit better visualization of it:

RANK​	NAME	INT		CLIMB		FINISH​
1​	PEDERSEN Mads	11:10,20 (2.)		4:15,02 (4.)		15:25,2​
2​	TARLING Michael Joshua	11:06,67 (1.)		4:26,53 (13.)		15:33,2​
3​	TULETT Ben	11:28,05 (10.)		4:07,29 (1.)		15:35,3​
4​	VAUQUELIN Kévin	11:23,88 (7.)		4:12,32 (3.)		15:36,2​
5​	LATOUR Pierre	11:22,26 (4.)		4:17,78 (5.)		15:40,0​
6​	NIELSEN Magnus Cort	11:23,37 (6.)		4:21,85 (8.)		15:45,2​
7​	TURNER Ben	11:34,48 (13.)		4:10,75 (2.)		15:45,2​
8​	POWLESS Neilson	11:22,73 (5.)		4:23,79 (9.)		15:46,5​
9​	JENSEN Skjelmose Mattias	11:30,94 (12.)		4:20,37 (6.)		15:51,3​
10​	ARMIRAIL Bruno	11:27,29 (8.)		4:24,28 (11.)		15:51,6​
11​	SUTER Joel	11:20,23 (3.)		4:32,95 (19.)		15:53,2​
12​	BISSEGGER Stefan	11:27,88 (9.)		4:36,52 (28.)		16:04,4​
13​	PINOT Thibaut	11:40,60 (15.)		4:30,78 (17.)		16:11,4​
14​	PEREZ Anthony	11:37,70 (14.)		4:35,43 (26.)		16:13,1​
15​	CARR Simon	11:49,84 (23.)		4:24,72 (12.)		16:14,6​
16​	GUERNALEC Thibault	11:42,03 (16.)		4:34,21 (21.)		16:16,2​
17​	SIVAKOV Pavel	11:42,88 (17.)		4:34,44 (24.)		16:17,3​
18​	TILLER Rasmus	11:57,91 (38.)		4:20,53 (7.)		16:18,4​
19​	THOMAS Benjamin	11:29,78 (11.)		4:49,08 (59.)		16:18,9​
20​	PERICHON Pierre Luc	11:46,31 (21.)		4:34,28 (22.)		16:20,6​

Thanks for this. Do you have Michael Leonard's splits too?

 

[janraaskalt]

Do you have Michael Leonard's splits too?

It is all in here (at the end somewhere): http://www.votrecourse.com/medias/resultats/20230205-41405_Etape 5.pdf

 

[Volderke]

I really wonder what the exact time gaps where, as I see here Powless had 15'46"97.
Normally, that would be rounded to 15'47"
But I see Powless at 21 seconds of Pedersen (who had 15'25"22), while this should be 22 seconds.

Skjelmose was at 26 seconds, and the gap before the TT was 4 seconds.

So where does the 1 second difference come from?

I would guess they should be placed in the same second, but probably with Powless having a margin (of less than a second) over Skjelmose, and they gave him the second to avoid confusion?

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJnRsV98sHU

 

[janraaskalt]

I really wonder what the exact time gaps where, as I see here Powless had 15'46"97.
Normally, that would be rounded to 15'47"
But I see Powless at 21 seconds of Pedersen (who had 15'25"22), while this should be 22 seconds.

There is no rounding, only chopping off the milliseconds.

 

[search]

Thanks for this. Do you have Michael Leonard's splits too?

26​

12​

LEONARD Michael

11:53,87 (31.)

4:35,42 (25.)

16:29,3​

slowest on the climb was Adamietz, by the way, more than 2 minutes down - and therefor also missed the time cut. Must have had a mechanical, I guess?

And times in cycling are never rounded, 15:46.97 is still 15:46. Skjelmose lost by 0.79s (edit: corrected)

 

[Volderke]

There is no rounding, only chopping off the milliseconds.

but even then, it should be a difference of 0.35 (at least, that is what I calculate based on the video above of Powless + the results of Skjelmose, ofcourse, the result of Powless was adjusted later to 0.5 (instead of 0.95), so the difference grew to 0.7, which is, rounded, a full second)

 

[Volderke]

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And times in cycling are never rounded, 15:46.97 is still 15:46. Skjelmose lost by 1.79s

I learned something new, thanks. I thought they were rounded like in science: 0.5 = 1 second, 0.49 = 0 seconds.

 

[search]

I learned something new, thanks. I thought they were rounded like in science: 0.5 = 1 second, 0.49 = 0 seconds.

I made a mistake up there, though. He lost by 0.79s in fact.

1. Powless 11h12'30''52
2. Skjelmose 11h12'31''31

 

[Skijumper Roglic fan]

slowest on the climb was Adamietz, by the way, more than 2 minutes down - and therefor also missed the time cut. Must have had a mechanical, I guess?

Uaaah, that hurts… :-( Adamietz is a great, nice, friendly guy, so I cheer for him.

His race start at Lotto however was difficult. He won as teammate to de Lie already, but his own results these last eight days were certainly not as they hoped:

Johannes Adamietz

Johannes Adamietz (born 1998-05-24 in Ulm) is a former professional road racing cyclist from Germany, currently riding for REMBE | rad-net. His best results are winning a stage in Okolo Slovenska / Tour de Slovaquie and 3rd place in Gran Premio New York City.

www.procyclingstats.com

But by the way: he reached the finish town of every race he rode! (His OTL at the Etoile happened on the last stage!… )

I still cheer for him - even more so, now!…

 

[Ulle97]

Really enjoyed the climb of Mont Bouquet..... Maybe the Tour will visit the likes of these climbs some day!

 

[Salvarani]

Really enjoyed the climb of Mont Bouquet..... Maybe the Tour will visit the likes of these climbs some day!

Rather not when it so associated with this race. Part of its identity.

 

[Sciatic]

Rather not when it so associated with this race. Part of its identity.

Good point.

 

[Ulle97]

Good point.

Good point indeed, but I don't believe any race should have sole 'ownership' of a climb.

Plus, it's not as if the climb is enshrined in the race's history. It's only been used since 2020.

The Grand Tour's often use climbs from the classics like the Cauberg and Mur de Huy. Or climbs from Paris-Nice or the Dauphine.