100 Positives Registered with New Test

[DirtyWorks]

Thanks for the paper link.

Buried seems more likely, given the large number. It would reduce the sports involved to rubble, surely?

Wait for the excuse from the sports federations. My guess is it will be called "research" and "official" retesting will not happen using the new test for some reason.

proffate, depending on which re-written article one reads, some facts change. I'm not saying I'm right. Not at all.


Remember that Russian States Athletics are on their 35th+ positive this year with no indication why their tests were chosen to be re-run. I'm okay with that because we know there are just as many in U.S. athletics.

A few anti-doping rules being enforced on 70+ positives is a start. Sanction them now so there's some time to sort out the consequences before the next Summer Games.

 

[DirtyWorks]

So out of 659 routine sports drug testing samples 85 (ca 13 %) were positive for stanozolol. With the old testing only 13 samples (ca 2 %) would have been positive.

Is anyone else wondering why those 2% didn't have cases opened?

Another story that's never written about the IOC's anti-doping system is the way positives are rarely processed by the sports federation.

 

[mikeoneill]

well considering the IOC had to be pressured into bothering with athens retests last year, and then they catch only a handful
http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2012/07/25/ioc-doping-chief-rues-not-acting-sooner-on-retests173053/

it'll be no surprise if there's a handful of positives for the new test and then they move on

 

[sideshadow]

Is anyone else wondering why those 2% didn't have cases opened?

Another story that's never written about the IOC's anti-doping system is the way positives are rarely processed by the sports federation.

Yes, I was wondering the same thing. I don't remember athletes testing positive for Stan. recently, at least not 13. The only explanation I could give give is that maybe the original samples weren't tested for steroids, but only amphetamines etc. but when looking at the new test they decided to compare it with the old.

I think that at the moment anti doping is losing, not necessarily because of bad tests, but rather bad testing. If they were to actually attempt to catch cheats, they would be much more successful, but catching cheats is bad for business..

 

[DirtyWorks]

Yes, I was wondering the same thing. I don't remember athletes testing positive for Stan. recently, at least not 13. The only explanation I could give give is that maybe the original samples weren't tested for steroids, but only amphetamines etc. but when looking at the new test they decided to compare it with the old.

This brings up a nice loophole in the anti-doping process. Either the federation or the event promoter get to choose which tests to run. Chances are quite high the tests run were either easily defeated or weren't useful for the given event. Nice, right?

I think that at the moment anti doping is losing, not necessarily because of bad tests, but rather bad testing. If they were to actually attempt to catch cheats, they would be much more successful, but catching cheats is bad for business..

As long as the federation/promoter is:
1. choosing tests that are easily passed.
2. Not processing the positives they have

Then of course it looks like the system isn't catching anyone. It's not supposed to!

Your understanding is the excuse for Bach/IOC to defund and weaken anti-doping even more.

 

[DirtyWorks]

I think what's needed here is a crowd-sourced funding for NADO's to retest using the new tests.

That would be an "OH NO!" moment for everyone enabling doping.

 

[Tyler'sTwin]

It's a shame they don't want to catch dopers.

Of the nearly 3,700 doping samples from the 2004 Summer Olympics, only 110 were retested. This is despite the fact that the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) had advised the IOC to retest three times that figure. And despite the low number of retests, five athletes have already been found positive.

WADA President John Fahey has criticized the IOC for the first time publicly, asking: "Why bother taking samples for eight years if you're not going to reanalyze them? Throw them out in the first place. Save your money, save the space."

**** Pound, the former president of the WADA, has long been an influential member of the IOC. He did not refute the criticism.

"We missed an opportunity," he said. "[It's] clear from the results that we got on the 100 samples that we eventually did that there was fruit out there to be picked and I should've hoped that getting five positives or six positives out of 100 samples retested - that that would encourage going further if we're trying to fight against doping in sport and have a zero tolerance, as the IOC likes to say that it has. "

The crown jewel of the Athens Games, 100-meter champion Justin Gatlin, was not retested, according to ARD. This is despite the fact that two years later, in 2006, the American tested positive for anabolic steroids - precisely the same doping agent found in the five Eastern European medal winners.

These revelations are regarded as scandalous among doping experts. The WADA, sports doctor and well-known gene doping researching Perikles Simon, condemned the IOC.

"My impression is that the IOC did not want to retest these samples," he said. "We know now that there were athletes in Athens who later tested positive for doping. It would obviously be very important to view these athletes accurately."

http://www.dw.de/olympic-committee-provides-a-chance-in-anti-doping-fight/a-16406697

Even the best of drug tests is made useless by corruption. I guess they might sacrifice a few eastern europeans again.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

I bet the test is not yet ratified, so the findings will be inadmissible or something.

 

[D-Queued]

I bet the test is not yet ratified, so the findings will be inadmissible or something.

Who is going to ratify it? Emile Vrijman?

Dave.

 

[JMBeaushrimp]

Even the best of drug tests is made useless by corruption. I guess they might sacrifice a few eastern europeans again.

Yup, that's it...

 

[DirtyWorks]

American media outlet revisits the story and adds some interesting information:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...-doping-lab-finds-266-positive-cases/3782337/

...Geyer said he was surprised that no athletes challenged the lab results, which typically follows the introduction of a new test method.

"We expected many objections, many outrages (from athletes) but nothing happened. This is very unusual for a lab," he said.

If I'm reading the story right, then only Turkish IAAF athletes were sanctioned as a result of the new test? How many positives is USA Track and Field hiding this time?

"Maybe the athletes always knew how long we could detect these substances," he said. "Maybe the out-of-competition (testing) system doesn't work."

Because they are either paying/running their own tests to never test positive, or there is enough public information about the PED to never test positive. And there should be plenty to work with when the drug is sold for whatever the original purpose.

 

[Benotti69]

American media outlet revisits the story and adds some interesting information:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...-doping-lab-finds-266-positive-cases/3782337/

...Geyer said he was surprised that no athletes challenged the lab results, which typically follows the introduction of a new test method.

"We expected many objections, many outrages (from athletes) but nothing happened. This is very unusual for a lab," he said.

If I'm reading the story right, then only Turkish IAAF athletes were sanctioned as a result of the new test? How many positives is USA Track and Field hiding this time?

"Maybe the athletes always knew how long we could detect these substances," he said. "Maybe the out-of-competition (testing) system doesn't work."

Because they are either paying/running their own tests to never test positive, or there is enough public information about the PED to never test positive. And there should be plenty to work with when the drug is sold for whatever the original purpose.

Garmin run internal testing

 

[therhodeo]

Garmin run internal testing

Don't most teams?

 

[skidmark]

Garmin run internal testing

omg you're right. this is the thread that will pull apart the whole system.

 

[Benotti69]

omg you're right. this is the thread that will pull apart the whole system.

is that the sound of regret that one has a wardrobe full of argyle? oops