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Yes, I noticed that shortly after I complained about him and Mas rejoined the group, you could see from the heli that both Movistar riders took a pull.
Yeah, you're right. They descend from Wanne now.......
There can't be too much climbing after Redoute. I would rather drop Embourg, let Beaufays be the last climb and finish along the river like they do today. But it would preferable to drop Forges and the wide roads there.
Man it was superb ride by Evenepoel. Perfect Remco indeed. More these, thank you very much! 
Do we need a spring classics summary/voting thread?
Overall, this spring has been pretty mediocre. Too noticeable that Ala was far from peak shape and that Van Aert, Van der Poel and Pog only had short peaks.
Overall, this spring has been pretty mediocre. Too noticeable that Ala was far from peak shape and that Van Aert, Van der Poel and Pog only had short peaks.
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Peloton at the top of RaF:
Haig, Teuns, Vlasov, Hirschi, Martinez, Mas, Valverde, Fuglsang, Hermans, Woods, Higuita, Van Aert, Barguil, Powless. Armirail was 1-2 seconds after. 13 of those 15 riders made it to the line together (I include Vlasov here).
Their climbing time:
View: https://twitter.com/ammattipyoraily/status/1518277769209253892
Haig, Teuns, Vlasov, Hirschi, Martinez, Mas, Valverde, Fuglsang, Hermans, Woods, Higuita, Van Aert, Barguil, Powless. Armirail was 1-2 seconds after. 13 of those 15 riders made it to the line together (I include Vlasov here).
Their climbing time:
View: https://twitter.com/ammattipyoraily/status/1518277769209253892
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Excellent move and lukewarm, slowly organized chase to bring him back. As many have noted that long distance attack suits him and leaves too many wheelsuckers waiting for someone else to chase. HMan it was superb ride by Evenepoel. Perfect Remco indeed. More these, thank you very much!
Remco's gotta feel better about the preparation and QSV can, maybe salvage some more out of the season. Horrible consequences for Julian and very concerned and humane response from what appears to be Bardet.
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Was Powless in the first group over the extension?Peloton at the top of RaF:
Haig, Teuns, Vlasov, Hirschi, Martinez, Mas, Valverde, Fuglsang, Hermans, Woods, Higuita, Van Aert, Barguil, Powless. Armirail was 1-2 seconds after. 13 of those 15 riders made it to the line together (I include Vlasov here).
Their climbing time:
View: https://twitter.com/ammattipyoraily/status/1518277769209253892
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Anybody noticed what happened with Oomen, Thomas etc when they were chasing? Gap was at 28 secs and seemed like Verona, Mohoric, Oomen and Thomas were taking good turns to keep it steady and then next images of the group Caruso is in front with Vansevenant in his wheel and the others who should be chasing halfway down the group.. It's there the gap went from 30 to 40 secs which probably decided the outcome.
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Anyway I think climbing times for the total section including the extension are more interesting.
Also checked Powless data for the Redoute and attack after. Clearly gets dropped on explosive CdA effort, and the motor draft will have helped Evenepoel there. The W on Redoute weren't that high.
Also checked Powless data for the Redoute and attack after. Clearly gets dropped on explosive CdA effort, and the motor draft will have helped Evenepoel there. The W on Redoute weren't that high.
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After Haig pulled the group after RaF, the gap starts declining from ~37'' when Woods goes at the start of the final hill. Vlasov takes over and splits the group in the headwind, before Teuns counters and pulls a trio clear. I time the gap to Evenepoel to 20'' for Teuns, Martinez and Higuita. Vlasov backed off behind, and it's Mas, Vlasov Hirschi, Valverde and Woods chasing.
The only rider left at that point likely to have the busfare to get close to Remco solo, was Wout, and nobody was going to work with him.
It’s happened in so many races now; Lombardia, Strade, multiple GT stages, even Roubaix to an extent. Changing parcours wont make a difference; if we don’t like 30km solo wins with a half-hearted chase group, something has to be done results/UCI-points-wise to encourage riders who are probably racing for 2nd, to actually go ahead and RACE for 2nd.
History stops at 2003?
Merckx, Hinault, DeVlaeminck, Bruyere…?
Who pays attention to any results from 1991-2010 anyway? Lol.
Cycling isn’t about who is the best emaciated f$&king climber. Seriously so tired of this never ending narrative here that the only cycling skill worth anything is pure climbing ability. It leads to unbelievably boring racing.
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Okay I think with a full effort they would have been closer but unlikely to have closed it completely. My guess is that the gap going from like 28s to 37s was huge there.
After Haig pulled the group after RaF, the gap starts declining from ~37'' when Woods goes at the start of the final hill. Vlasov takes over and splits the group in the headwind, before Teuns counters and pulls a trio clear. I time the gap to Evenepoel to 20'' for Teuns, Martinez and Higuita. Vlasov backed off behind, and it's Mas, Vlasov Hirschi, Valverde and Woods chasing.
My 2nd note is I'm not sure what the ideal pacing strategy is for the full RaF, and I suspect that often a group racing there will have suboptimal pacing strategy.
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Cycling is all about who the best emancipated f$&king climber is.
There. Because nobody said it.
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This has been the scenario on many occasions since the dawn of time. As soon as one guy gets a gap, the chasers start looking at each other because nobody wants to do all the work so somebody else can profit of that. If one of the favorites in the chase still has domestiques, everybody will look at those guys to do the work. Obviously those guys are not better than their leader, and their leader already wasn't good enough to follow the guy who attacked to begin with. So basically the entire chasing group is counting on guys who are nowhere near the level of the guy in the lead, in order to close the gap. So then you get a few halfhearted attempts to close the gap, but as soon as somebody sees others in his wheel, they stop because again, they don't want to drag others to the finish while doing all the work. And then there is a guy like Van Aert who under normal conditions will win the sprint, so nobody feels inclined to work even more because they'd just be working for Van Aert in that case.
Emaciated*
Corrected
I would say 50+% of posters think the only race worth anything is finishing in a MTF contested by emaciated climber types.
Vlasov may be a better climber with perhaps more GT future (on present day routes) than Remco. Can anyone doubt who is the better rider tho?
Not even in question.
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How do you know they did not actually mean emancipated?
Cycling is all about liberated climbers!
How do you know they did not actually mean emancipated?
Cycling is all about liberated climbers!
Um because “they” is me so…I knew.
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We see all three in front take a pull, but not seamlessly. The images we get of the chase only has Mas pulling, but once we return after watching Evenepoel, Valverde has made it to the three in front with the rest of the chase group, but without Mas. I think Mas went all out and Valverde closed the gap to the group afterwards. After the trio is caught, they stay on the front of the group and the speed drops. Vlasov goes from the last position, surpassing Martinez by using the bikepath. They all hesitate, letting Martinez stay at the front with Higuita in his wheel. We can see Mas is not far behind, and he makes it. We can also see the trio of Van Aert, Powless and Fuglsang further back.
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CN forum: get rid of the finish at Ans and the Côte de S Nicolas
Organiser gets rid of Ans and S Nicolas
CN forum: get rid of RaF as it kills attacks in La Redoute
Remco wins with an ttack in La Redoute
CN forum goes on a hurry to redesign LBL course
Organiser gets rid of Ans and S Nicolas
CN forum: get rid of RaF as it kills attacks in La Redoute
Remco wins with an ttack in La Redoute
CN forum goes on a hurry to redesign LBL course
That's a good description of this kind of situation.
Still, I sometimes don't understand the riders there. Assume you have one guy in front and four people behind. Then each of them is afraid of putting too much effort into chasing the leading guy, fearing that the others could profit from his work and then distance him later or win a sprint against him. But still, doing the work increases the chance of a) pulling back the leader and b) distancing riders behind you to at least secure the fifth place. Instead, everyone is looking at each other, so in 9 of 10 cases the first place is gone, but also a lot of people are allowed to come back, and you may end up getting 10th in a sprint.
But that's not to take anything away from Remco's performance. Of course, the rider attacking has to have the legs to create a sufficient gap to create this situation and then to profit from it. Remco is very good at that and he played it perfectly today.
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