2011 Criterium du Dauphine - Stage 1: Albertville - Saint-Pierre-de-Chartreuse 144 km

[Nastyy]

Very impressive indeed, but he peaked for this, Fedrigo said so in an interview after the prologue, everyone would ride for Pinot's GC. Impressive nonetheless

Oh okay thanks for the info. The ITT is gonna hurt his chances for a Top10 big time though.

 

[El Pistolero]

as an u23 he already won mountain timetrials against pro's and was always considered a climber besides good itt

As an U23 Popovych was nicknamed Eddy Merckx.

 

[TeoSheva]

Difference is that Gesink has already proven he can climb well. Martin has never really shown much climbing talent IMO.

what do you mean by "never"?

was you on holydays these days?

http://www.cyclingfever.com/stage.html?detp=view&_ap=uitslag&id=21736&etappe_id=22205

http://www.cyclingfever.com/stage.html?detp=view&_ap=uitslag&id=21534&etappe_id=22136

http://www.cyclingfever.com/stage.html?detp=view&_ap=uitslag&id=21534&etappe_id=22138

and some more this years...

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

here is a good example at age 20 in giro regioni

Uitslag:
1 Tony Martin (Ger) German National Team 3.03.32
2 Filipe Gomes Sa' Rui (Por) Portuguese National Team 0.11
3 Robert Gesink (Ned) Dutch National Team 0.22
4 Riccardo Ricco' (Ita) Italian National Team 0.23
5 Roman Kreuziger (Cze) Czech Republic National Team
6 Alexandre Cabrera (Fra) French National Team
7 Eduardo Gonzalo Ramirez (Spa) Spanish National Team
8 Peter Velits (Svk) Slovakian National Team
9 Luigi Sestili (Ita) Italian National Team
10 Peeter Jacobs (Bel) Amuzza.Com - Davo
11 Simon Clarke (Aus) Australian National Team 0.27
12 Andrei Kunitski (Blr) Belarus National Team
13 Jaroslaw Dabrowski (Pol) Polish National Team
14 Michael Muck (Ger) German National Team 0.30
15 Marino J.Marc (Fra) French National Team

in fact most of his u23 wins came from climbing stages and not itt's. he was 2nd german climbing championships elite at age 20, won thueringer rundfahrt, 2nd in tour de avenir and at age 19 he won this climbing itt in regio tour:

1 Tony Martin (Ger) Gerolsteiner 33.43
2 Maxime Monfort (Bel) Landbouwkrediet-Colnago 0.09
3 Matthias Russ (Ger) Gerolsteiner 0.21
4 Nico Sijmens (Bel) Landbouwkrediet-Colnago 0.43
5 Björn Papstein (Ger) Team Lamonta 0.44
6 Rinaldo Nocentini (Ita) Acqua & Sapone-Adria Mobil 1.02
7 Holger Sievers (Ger) Team Lamonta 1.05
8 Gerhard Trampusch (Aut) Akud Arnolds Sicherheit 1.08
9 Sergey Yakovlev (Kaz) T-Mobile Team 1.23
10 Moises Aldape C. (Mex) Ceramica Panaria-Navigare 1.28

 

[Spine Concept]

what do you mean by "never"?

was you on holydays these days?

http://www.cyclingfever.com/stage.html?detp=view&_ap=uitslag&id=21736&etappe_id=22205

http://www.cyclingfever.com/stage.html?detp=view&_ap=uitslag&id=21534&etappe_id=22136

http://www.cyclingfever.com/stage.html?detp=view&_ap=uitslag&id=21534&etappe_id=22138

and some more this years...

No offense, but you cannot possible compare Martin to Gesink climbing wise. The argument would be lost before it even begins. Let's not get carried away now.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

As an U23 Popovych was nicknamed Eddy Merckx.

so what does that havo to do with the dicussion here. you are the one cliaming martin could never climb

 

[Havetts]

Those are the same Cat.2 climbs as today, those are not HC climbs where the tour will be decided.

 

[El Pistolero]

what do you mean by "never"?

was you on holydays these days?

http://www.cyclingfever.com/stage.html?detp=view&_ap=uitslag&id=21736&etappe_id=22205

http://www.cyclingfever.com/stage.html?detp=view&_ap=uitslag&id=21534&etappe_id=22136

http://www.cyclingfever.com/stage.html?detp=view&_ap=uitslag&id=21534&etappe_id=22138

and some more this years...

Even Cancellara could have won that Paris-Nice. And Cummings isn't exactly someone who sets the climbs on fire now is he...

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

I did make a good prediction by the way

why good?? you lost, jrod didn't win

 

[El Pistolero]

so what does that havo to do with the dicussion here. you are the one cliaming martin could never climb

That U23 results mean jack ****.

No Martin has never shown he can climb in the real mountains for a top 10. It is what it is.

 

[TeoSheva]

No offense, but you cannot possible compare Martin to Gesink climbing wise. The argument would be lost before it even begins. Let's not get carried away now.

who is comparing?

I just asked some clarification about the word "never". I know that Gesink is better than Martin climbing.

 

[hrotha]

I know the argument: but why are not there jokes on Gesink? I've seen a post Gesink vs VdB as well...

I will wait to say that Gesink will not do well at the tour, but I will wait for Martin as well...

You have to understand that the jokes aren't on Martin but on Bavarianrider.

 

[Spine Concept]

who is comparing?

I just asked some clarification about the word "never". I know that Gesink is better than Martin climbing.

Well, you are quick to defend Martin. I thought you might be part of the Martin bandwagon together with the fearless leader Bavarian.

 

[El Pistolero]

why good?? you lost, jrod didn't win

He came second. And people were saying this wasn't steep enough for him.

No one would have predicted VDB2 to win here. So yeah, it was a good prediction. I was expecting something from Jrod here.

 

[TeoSheva]

Even Cancellara could have won that Paris-Nice. And Cummings isn't exactly someone who sets the climbs on fire now is he...

I did not post the overall classification of the Paris Nice, but only the mountain stages... where Martin finished with Samuel Sanchez...

 

[Parrulo]

what do you mean by "never"?

was you on holydays these days?

http://www.cyclingfever.com/stage.html?detp=view&_ap=uitslag&id=21736&etappe_id=22205

http://www.cyclingfever.com/stage.html?detp=view&_ap=uitslag&id=21534&etappe_id=22136

http://www.cyclingfever.com/stage.html?detp=view&_ap=uitslag&id=21534&etappe_id=22138

and some more this years...

well on the first result i see martin getting beaten by the amzing climber steven cummings.

ofc those results in paris nice have to be taken into account. after all the parcours were just sooooooooo mountainous with all those HC mountains and the race was ridden so aggressively . . . .

 

[TeoSheva]

well on the first result i see martin getting beaten by the amzing climber steven cummings.

ofc those results in paris nice have to be taken into account. after the parcours were just sooooooooo mountainous with all those HC mountains and the race was ridden so aggressively . . . .

why talking of Cummings and not of Contador?

 

[El Pistolero]

why talking of Cummings and not of Contador?

You mean the guy who was in bad form and didn't train much because of his doping case?

Put Contador and Martin on the Monte Crostis and Zoncolan and he puts an hour in him.

 

[TeoSheva]

Well, you are quick to defend Martin. I thought you might be part of the Martin bandwagon together with the fearless leader Bavarian.

I like Martin, but I don't say that is the best rider of the world, neither that is climbing better than Gesink... but I'm just sayng that today is more disappointing the performance of Gesink than that one of Martin, but from the comments doesn't appear this...

 

[Parrulo]

why talking of Cummings and not of Contador?

you mean contador racing his first race of the season? after an extremely stressful offseason? you are right martin will win the tour by 10 minutes

 

[TeoSheva]

you mean contador racing his first race of the season? after an extremely stressful offseason? you are right martin will win the tour by 10 minutes

I'm right about what? are you able to read just what I"m writing and not what you think that I wrote?

 

[Spine Concept]

I like Martin, but I don't say that is the best rider of the world, neither that is climbing better than Gesink... but I'm just sayng that today is more disappointing the performance of Gesink than that one of Martin, but from the comments doesn't appear this...

I understand that, however it seems like you do not - want to - understand me.
There is a reason for the majority of comments in Martin's direction as opposed to Gesink. It's mostly because of a particular poster who's been over-hyping Martin and his chances at the Dauphine and the Tour.

 

[FabulousCandelabra]

woo go vdb!!

<---- new vdb fanboi

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

People are conflating TeoSheva and Bavarianrider. TeoSheva hasn't been making outlandish claims for Martin.

 

[Parrulo]

I'm right about what? are you able to read just what I"m writing and not what you think that I wrote?

i know what you wrote. i am just taking things a step further.

you are saying he can climb and as prof you are giving us results like the finish at the mighty HC climb that is the alto do malhão. . . .

you see what i mean?