2011 - Criterium du Dauphine - Stage 3: Grenoble 42.5 km ITT

[King Of The Wolds]

I doubt if Evans is particularly concerned about the form of Wiggins, Zabriskie, Cancellara, Martin or other time trial specialists who will be no threat at all to him in the Tour.

I assume you didn't see the Tour in 2009 then?

 

[dlwssonic]

I assume you didn't see the Tour in 2009 then?

wiggins was a fluke that will never happen again with such a hard parcours and very little TT.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

I'm not too sure about that. Van Houwelingen was rather vague about their aims for today's TT. "Get to know the course in a relaxed condition" and that sort of thing.

With that he meant, relaxed as in, there is no pressure for the GC in the Dauphine anymore.

It was pretty clear really. One recon at relaxed pace, and then full out in the ITT, but with no GC in mind for once. Every other ITT Gesink has ridden was usually with a GC position at stake or some high profile event (Olympics ITT). This is the first ITT in years he rides without pressure. That's what Van Houwelingen means

 

[just some guy]

ps they have started

 

[King Of The Wolds]

wiggins was a fluke that will never happen again with such a hard parcours and very little TT.

People make out that Brad TT'd his way to 4th in 2009, but he climbed extremely well.

How do you know that the combination of factors that resulted in his 4th place in 2009 won't happen again this year? In what respect was it a fluke? If he was capable of such a performance then, why not now?

 

[greenedge]

Wiggins
Zabriskie
Vino
Martin
EBH
Degenkolb???
Brajkovic
Evans

I can see Wiggins making up 11 seconds on Vino, if he rides a good ITT.

Also would Zabriskie maybe be riding the TDF for the TTT????

 

[auscyclefan94]

Wiggins
Zabriskie
Vino
Martin
EBH
Degenkolb???
Brajkovic
Evans

I can see Wiggins making up 11 seconds on Vino, if he rides a good ITT.

Also would Zabriskie maybe be riding the TDF for the TTT????

EBH and Degenkolb? Are you on crack?

 

[King Of The Wolds]

Wiggins
Zabriskie
Vino
Martin
EBH
Degenkolb???
Brajkovic
Evans

I can see Wiggins making up 11 seconds on Vino, if he rides a good ITT.

Also would Zabriskie maybe be riding the TDF for the TTT????

Degenkolb aside, you'd say it was probably between those mentioned, but the weather might mean you can exclude DZ, EBH and Martin also.

 

[just some guy]

Google translate from http://www.biciciclismo.com

13:08 The riders depart every minute, except the last 20 they will every two years. The following output:

Wiggins will be 110 ish be time he rides - going to be long one floks

 

[Captain_Cavman]

People make out that Brad TT'd his way to 4th in 2009, but he climbed extremely well.

How do you know that the combination of factors that resulted in his 4th place in 2009 won't happen again this year? In what respect was it a fluke? If he was capable of such a performance then, why not now?

Agreed. On the queen stage Wiggins came 7th. And although he had good support from Vande Velde early on, he was exposed against Armstrong which almost certainly cost him a final podium.

 

[Moondance]

Wiggins will be 110 ish be time he rides - going to be long one floks

Nice catch

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

prediction for Grenoble:
-Heavy rain in the morning followed by normal rain the rest of the day

Oh joy! Let's see if any TDF contendor falls and breaks something

I;'m so glad soler isn't racing here

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

I assume you didn't see the Tour in 2009 then?

I saw that race, but I've also seen a considerable number of other stage races both men rode. I can't recall Wiggins ever being a threat to an in form Evans at any climb-heavy stage race before or since.

I'm not having a pop at Wiggins here. I just don't think that one good Tour performance, which has never been followed up, makes him a realistic threat to the likes of Evans this year. An Evans who has already won two of the better stage races this season.

It's not inconceivable that Wiggins could rediscover his 2009 Tour form and that the racing could be as conservative as that year and in those circumstances Wiggins might be a threat for a top 5. But "not inconceivable" is about as tenuous as you can get. The overwhelming likelihood, based on his record in stage races with real climbs, is that he won't feature in the same part of the GC table as Evans. Wiggins is a better time triallist than Evans, but Evans is a better climber and by a greater margin.

I'd only start rating Wiggins as a likely (as opposed to just about possible) contender for a top 5 slot again if the Tour starts placing more emphasis on time trialling over climbing again. If there was 300km of ITT in the Tour, and correspondingly less in the way of mountain top finishes, he'd be a real favourite for a podium spot and even a viable contender for a win. But he's riding in the wrong era for that.

And yes, you are correct that Wiggins climbed well in 2009. It was the best climbing performance of his life and even then he was greatly assisted by the conservatism of the racing. It's one thing to cling on at a steady pace, quite another to do so when the mountain goats start changing pace.

 

[spalco]

Live coverage doesn't start until 15:30 CET, eh?

 

[El Pistolero]

Why does eveyone underrate EBH? He can do a good time trial... Especially in this form...

 

[just some guy]

whats the weather doing anyone got any updated info.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

No news.
Except the 1st split point
15km

1. MALORI Adriano 201 LAMPRE - ISD 00:20:03
2. BELKOV Maxim 213 VACANSOLEIL-DCM 00:20:48 00:00:45
3. WESTRA Lieuwe 211 VACANSOLEIL-DCM 00:20:54 00:00:51
4. HERRADA LOPEZ Jesus 166 MOVISTAR TEAM 00:21:04 00:01:01
5. MCCARTNEY Jason 6 TEAM RADIOSHACK 00:21:08 00:01:05
6. NIERMANN Grischa 86 RABOBANK CYCLING TEAM 00:21:09 00:01:06
7. INTXAUSTI Benat 161 MOVISTAR TEAM 00:21:12 00:01:09
8. BESSY Cyril 42 SAUR-SOJASUN 00:21:36 00:01:33
9. SZEGHALMI Balint 208 LAMPRE - ISD 00:21:37 00:01:34
10. RABON Frantisek 25 HTC - HIGHROAD 00:21:42 00:01:39

Already huge differences

 

[spalco]

Tony Martin should've just started according to the startlist.

 

[boomcie]

No news.
Except the 1st split point
15km

1. MALORI Adriano 201 LAMPRE - ISD 00:20:03
2. BELKOV Maxim 213 VACANSOLEIL-DCM 00:20:48 00:00:45
3. WESTRA Lieuwe 211 VACANSOLEIL-DCM 00:20:54 00:00:51
4. HERRADA LOPEZ Jesus 166 MOVISTAR TEAM 00:21:04 00:01:01
5. MCCARTNEY Jason 6 TEAM RADIOSHACK 00:21:08 00:01:05
6. NIERMANN Grischa 86 RABOBANK CYCLING TEAM 00:21:09 00:01:06
7. INTXAUSTI Benat 161 MOVISTAR TEAM 00:21:12 00:01:09
8. BESSY Cyril 42 SAUR-SOJASUN 00:21:36 00:01:33
9. SZEGHALMI Balint 208 LAMPRE - ISD 00:21:37 00:01:34
10. RABON Frantisek 25 HTC - HIGHROAD 00:21:42 00:01:39

Already huge differences

Wow. Interesting.

 

[jens_attacks]

oh man not looking good for purito...

 

[just some guy]

Tony Martin should've just started according to the startlist.

32 mins away from the start list ASO

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

oh man not looking good for purito...

I was just thinking that! He'll be lucky to finish the course before they have to reopen the road!

 

[auscyclefan94]

Tjallingi is on fire

According to letour.fr He completed the first 15km in 21 seconds (154285.71km/h)

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Tjallingii crushes

20 seconds faster than Malori at split 1

 

[spalco]

32 mins away from the start list ASO

Yeah, I just saw it too; either they are significantly behind schedule or the TdF site isn't up to date (I'm assuming the former).