2011 Tour de France Stage 1: Passage du Gois - Mont des Alouettes 191.5 km

[Kwibus]

The other parts of your post dont matter to me because im not talking about whether this is entertaining or not or any of the other stuff.

The one part of your post im focused on is where you said Gesink 2.25 (that is not 5 minutes) down "Tour over for him".

Then the part of my post where i said Samu was 1.2 +1 minute (=2.20) down and the part of your post where you said that i am being "Dramatic".

So answer the question on that bit.

Why is it dramatic to say Samu is out at 2.20 but not Gesink at 2.25 (the figure you gave).

Im not challenging anything else in your posts.

Pffff Hitch. Cry me a river. You act like a real sad panda.

First of all Timmy was talking about Sanchez losing 1:20 and Gesink not shown as finished with the last ones at 2:25 so presumably losing more time.
Big difference.

 

[Sylvester]

The rules are all in the 2011 Tour Rule Book. The rules have been approved by the UCI. They're not making it up as the go along.

Article 20 covers the 3km rule and when it does and doesn't count. It says:

This measure does not apply to:

• finishes of the 2nd stage, which is a team time trial and of the 20th stage which is an individual time trial;
• summit finishes of the 4th, 8th, 12th, 14th, 18th and 19th stages.

Well, it's a reductio ad absurdum and not the best one either, but shouldn't Greipel, Gesink, Cavendish and co. have blocked the road, in that case, to form a nice barricade for the Contador-Sanchez group? SORRY BOYS WE CRASHED AND PUNCTURED INSIDE THE LAST 3 KM SO THE 3 KM RULE IS APPLIED AND WE GET THE TIME OF OUR GROUP NO MATTER HOW FAR BEHIND WE FINISH — YOU ARE STUCK HERE NOW AND IF YOU DON'T GET PAST US YOU WILL MISS THE TIME CUT BECAUSE YOU GET YOUR REAL TIME?

 

[icefire]

So Alberto is forced to stop because of a crash caused by some imbecile that turned her back on the passing bunch as it went by and his rivals put the hammer down, gain over a minute on him, but nobody is challenging their fair-play the way his was when Andy dropped his chain last year and the Spaniard went on the move. That is what is called an objective analysis.

Gone are the days when if it had happened to a certain Texan, the entire pack would not only have waited for him, but stopped at the side of the road to make sure His Majesty regained his position at the front.

This is indeed le Tour.

It is not the first time that AC is caught in the middle of the pack, either because of a crash or after a cross-wind split. He still needs to learn to ride this kind of stages. He also needs to learn not to apologise for attacking when his opponent drops his chain if that happens again.

 

[Dutchsmurf]

Well, this is an utter joke. There were two possibilities for the race jury:

...

You just cannot combine the two solutions.

You can actually. The rules leave room for the race jury to judge how they think they should.

 

[Escarabajo]

Pffff Hitch. Cry me a river. You act like a real sad panda.

First of all Timmy was talking about Sanchez losing 1:20 and Gesink not shown as finished with the last ones at 2:25 so presumably losing more time.
Big difference.

LOL. Sad Panda? That's a first for me.

 

[Kwibus]

LOL. Sad Panda? That's a first for me.

Pandas can be really really sad you know

http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/sad-panda#.Tg9TnIL4arY

It's ridiculous stuff, but I used to be active in an online gaming scene and you get all sorts of that crap.

 

[khardung la]

Well, it's a reductio ad absurdum and not the best one either, but shouldn't Greipel, Gesink, Cavendish and co. have blocked the road, in that case, to form a nice barricade for the Contador-Sanchez group? SORRY BOYS WE CRASHED AND PUNCTURED INSIDE THE LAST 3 KM SO THE 3 KM RULE IS APPLIED AND WE GET THE TIME OF OUR GROUP NO MATTER HOW FAR BEHIND WE FINISH — YOU ARE STUCK HERE NOW AND IF YOU DON'T GET PAST US YOU WILL MISS THE TIME CUT BECAUSE YOU GET YOUR REAL TIME?

You couldn´t say it better, and obviously you cannot say it louder

 

[Havetts]

LOL. Sad Panda? That's a first for me.

Missed the south park episode

 

[jobiwan]

Pandas can be really really sad you know

I don't know if Hitch is that sad you know. Best to be cautious though!

 

[I Watch Cycling In July]

I figure the same. Conti must be furious... Wonder if Riis is going to make a big deal about this and protest... No ofcourse.

Sucks.

Yep - I think Saxo sat up a bit once A. Schleck rejoined the group. Bit of a fail from the Saxo car actually. It's not the riders job to figure out whether their rivals crashed inside or outside 3km.

 

[Mambo95]

Well, it's a reductio ad absurdum and not the best one either, but shouldn't Greipel, Gesink, Cavendish and co. have blocked the road, in that case, to form a nice barricade for the Contador-Sanchez group? SORRY BOYS WE CRASHED AND PUNCTURED INSIDE THE LAST 3 KM SO THE 3 KM RULE IS APPLIED AND WE GET THE TIME OF OUR GROUP NO MATTER HOW FAR BEHIND WE FINISH — YOU ARE STUCK HERE NOW AND IF YOU DON'T GET PAST US YOU WILL MISS THE TIME CUT BECAUSE YOU GET YOUR REAL TIME?

They don't do it, because if they did they'd most likely be thrown off the race.

 

[Escarabajo]

Pandas can be really really sad you know

http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/sad-panda#.Tg9TnIL4arY

It's ridiculous stuff, but I used to be active in an online gaming scene and you get all sorts of that crap.

That is sad!

Nice pic.

 

[Sylvester]

They don't do it, because if they did they'd most likely be thrown off the race.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awD1gtpdWIA

 

[Waterloo Sunrise]

Still no one wants to explain why Boassen Hagen is at 6 seconds?

It is pure 100% making it up as you go along, purely because not doing so would be patently unfair. Apparently that same logic isn't sufficient when Spaniards are involved.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

+1. That is all.

-1.

My logic was sound. I just didn't get to count the amount of riders given the 6 seconds and those given 19 seconds before they changed the rankings. The only mistake was that the group given 19 seconds was actually a tad smaller. So i find both his and your response rather insulting and highly inapropriate. Further more, reading more of his responses, it's a shock to me how he hasn't been banned from this forum. Maybe he should consider leaving, instead of ordering others to. You enforcing this behaviour really doesn't speak in your favor either.

 

[Gubby Allen]

A 20" time penalty, or so it seems.

That was my thought. I was only interested in the context of the rules of crashes discussion, as it was unlikely he avoided either of them, or that someone would've spotted it if he had.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Still no one wants to explain why Boassen Hagen is at 6 seconds?

It is pure 100% making it up as you go along, purely because not doing so would be patently unfair. Apparently that same logic isn't sufficient when Spaniards are involved.

Because the ASO are scared of Sky winning the TTT and want somebody who isn't British to be in yellow

Hence, finding some way to fudge the rules so EBH gets it and not Thomas or Wiggins

 

[Bala Verde]

As a general reminder, please do NOT insult other forum members. In addition, wishing people to death will not be tolerated.

 

[jobiwan]

Because the ASO are scared of Sky winning the TTT and want somebody who isn't British to be in yellow

Hence, finding some way to fudge the rules so EBH gets it and not Thomas or Wiggins

Well they'll be disappointed, because Big G will get yellow should they win

 

[Finn84]

Is there info who was the Astana rider who hit the spectator?

Vino, Fofo and Zeits were left in the front group so it wasn't anyone of them.

That leaves Kreuziger, di Gregorio, Tiralongo, Grivko, Vaitkus and Iglinskiy.

By the pic which isn't very good though I would say it was Vaitkus.

 

[Havetts]

Is there info who was the Astana rider?

Vino, Fofo and Zeits were left in the front group so it wasn't anyone of them.

That leaves Kreuziger, di Gregorio, Tiralongo, Grivko, Vaitkus and Iglinskiy.

Iglinskiy it was, Gesink said it was him cause Iglinskiy was driving right behind him.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Well they'll be disappointed, because Big G will get yellow should they win

They're poring over the rulebook to find an arbitrary penalty to give him as we speak

 

[jobiwan]

Still no one wants to explain why Boassen Hagen is at 6 seconds?

It is pure 100% making it up as you go along, purely because not doing so would be patently unfair. Apparently that same logic isn't sufficient when Spaniards are involved.

Watched the replay, looks like the the gaps between some riders weren't enough to separate Boassen Hagen. Seems fair to me.

 

[rhubroma]

I think the spectator was not doing something wrong, I do not understand what the Astana guy was doing so much into the right side of the road, almost out of it. The spectator has the feet in the grass....

The only thing the fans have to do is stay the hell away from the riders.

Being on the very edge of the road and not squaring your body up toward the peleton as it screams by at 55 kph, 10 k from the freakin finish, is not only a mere error of judgment and lapse of attention, but what someone does when they forgot their f-ing brains.

At times the fans are so f-ing stupid and irresponsible that sh!t like this is bound to happen.

Furthermore the riders have the right and necessity to take up all the road, especially since those roads in northern France can be quite narrow, which means the fans roadside are not allowed to leave their brains at home before coming out to watch. If they can't do so, then they should stay home.

Lastly, since the crash wasn't caused by the rider's fault, this situation should make teams like Radio Shack and Leopard have a serious review of conscience when they put the hammer down to take advantage of a rival like that.

One thing if the crash is caused within the peleton, another when it is caused by a spectator. And what did his rivals do when Lance was taken down by a spectator a few years back during a key moment of the race? Or how has Shleck and company behaved any diferently than AC did last year when Andy droped his chain? At least chaingate was partially the rider's own fault, shifting as he did at a most inopportune moment, thus taking a great risk.

If I were Alberto I'd be freakin furious. If he's in shape in the mountains as at the Giro, watch out.

There will be no prisoners, only victims.

 

[Spine Concept]

-1.

My logic was sound. I just didn't get to count the amount of riders given the 6 seconds and those given 19 seconds before they changed the rankings. The only mistake was that the group given 19 seconds was actually a tad smaller. So i find both his and your response rather insulting and highly inapropriate. Further more, reading more of his responses, it's a shock to me how he hasn't been banned from this forum. Maybe he should consider leaving, instead of ordering others to. You enforcing this behaviour really doesn't speak in your favor either.

Meh, cry me a river. I have already taken this perpetual back in forth road with you. It doesn't get me anywhere cause you're a bigoted pompous know-it-all who cannot be reasoned with. As a result I still agree with Ryo. Deal with it and save your fits for someone who cares.