2011 Tour de France Stage 1: Passage du Gois - Mont des Alouettes 191.5 km

[fruit bars with eyes]

what fun today- and it opens GC so i don't feel too enraged

AC though did seem to be 'held up by a crash inside the last 3k'- why no appeal on that basis?

if i was in charge, those dropped on the final like boonen would get 6secs and those chasing behind would get 40 or whatever they were at when they encountered crash 2

anyway the 'tactical genius' riis seems to have been posted completely absent -something is amiss inside Saxo

 

[Ramira]

what fun today- and it opens GC so i don't feel too enraged

AC though did seem to be 'held up by a crash inside the last 3k'- why no appeal on that basis?

if i was in charge, those dropped on the final like boonen would get 6secs and those chasing behind would get 40 or whatever they were at when they encountered crash 2

anyway the 'tactical genius' riis seems to have been posted completely absent -something is amiss inside Saxo

Well from what I read here in the phantom world of Riis' car Contador was in 15-20th position other then around 100. So I'm thinking the problem is we're living in the wrong universe and Riis inhabits the real one where Contador was ahead of the break.

 

[GroupDK]

Nothing to do with topic, just a reminder.

David Haye vs. Wladimir Klitschko

"live" at the writing moment from DE Hamburg.

 

[The Hitch]

Looking at the footage of the fall, and The Hitch was wrong when he said Sammy Sanchez was in the same row.

Where did the Hitch say this???

Please answer and NOT ignore.

 

[fruit bars with eyes]

Well from what I read here in the phantom world of Riis' car Contador was in 15-20th position other then around 100. So I'm thinking the problem is we're living in the wrong universe and Riis inhabits the real one where Contador was ahead of the break.

ah hah that explains it - i just rewound the vid and there are indeed about exactly 78 people who miss the crash, and bertie was ,er, obviously behind them at the time? -so what riis is on who knows- but then again who ever did

 

[The Hitch]

Theres been an awful lot of sulky fanboyism as a result of todays stage.
People like the hitch among others, blaming the 3km rule taking account of the 2km crash but not the 7km one etc..

Samu cant stay up front at all times because he doesnt have the same caliber of domestiques. No LLS or Spartacus on EE.

But I do think there is something wrong with Contador and Sanchez getting punished for the crash that happened at 2km. That was inside the 2k zone, they get held up, but for some reason my riders opponents get patted on the back and told its all right, theyll get their time back, while he gets his Tour dreams thrown out of the window.

I have a right to be angry about that.

 

[The Hitch]

So did no one appeal to the ASO? To not allow the riders held up by the 2k clash to get that time back is ridiculous.

Nothing to do with topic, just a reminder.

David Haye vs. Wladimir Klitschko

"live" at the writing moment from DE Hamburg.

What time does that start?

 

[fruit bars with eyes]

So did no one appeal to the ASO? To not allow the riders held up by the 2k clash to get that time back is ridiculous.



i mentioned an appeal above too- if Riis doesn't appeal something is weird- he had the tour favourite chasing at up to about 35-39s (that was what i remember) then they have to stop behind crash II and so roll in at 1.20, because obviously a crash inside the last 3k doesn't count - Saxo must've felt confident in the 3k rule then or they would have been flat out - so get the GPS out and say we were @35s to front when we were blocked by crash!

 

[GroupDK]

ah hah that explains it - i just rewound the vid and there are indeed about exactly 78 people who miss the crash, and bertie was ,er, obviously behind them at the time? -so what riis is on who knows- but then again who ever did

You dont have to ask, you just have to think.!
Then its obvius that you could tell yourself, how and what.


stated few minutes after the race to danish news, 15-20 position like he should be, maybe in regards to possible tactics.
and remember ones view at the race-moment inside a following car in the car-peloton,

So did no one appeal to the ASO? To not allow the riders held up by the 2k clash to get that time back is ridiculous.




What time does that start?

have just started 2 round..

 

[Shardi]

I have a right to be angry about that.

The hold-up for 1st-crashers coming up to the 2nd crash site, is something one
can rightfully be angry about. But nothing else. Rest is just race-rules that one needs to take into account as a gc-rider.

 

[Walkman]

The last 10km for the ones that missed it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zx943lSrrKs

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

When there's a crash in the last 3km, everyone who was in the bunch at the time is deemed to have been effected by it, regardless of whether they actually were. It's easier and less contraversial than reviewing a tape and making a judgement call on each and every rider.

But how much confidence is there in the identification of those who were in front of the fall at 9km, but involved in the one at 2km? Commentary at the time spoke of c 50 riders in the front after the first fall: there didn't seem to be great clarity of the names, and few TV pics clear enough to identify. Have they simply taken the word of the team cars on this?

 

[roundabout]

I think that with the 3km rule the riders are timed at that pont?

 

[Franklin]

But how much confidence is there in the identification of those who were in front of the fall at 9km, but involved in the one at 2km? Commentary at the time spoke of c 50 riders in the front after the first fall: there didn't seem to be great clarity of the names, and few TV pics clear enough to identify. Have they simply taken the word of the team cars on this?

Aren't they all GPS chipped? If they rerun those records they should be able to see both spills and those involved.

 

[Dedelou]

Sorry Hitch but if Samu fell in the 2KM crash you would be happy to scream for the 3km rule.. Im sorry for Samu & Contador but they fell at 8km to a fan, its really messed up but it wasnt like one of the other contenders planned to throw in a supporter..

surprised mister do good Cancellara did not neutralize the race .. or that is only when certain people fall?

 

[c&cfan]

surprised mister do good Cancellara did not neutralize the race .. or that is only when certain people fall?

don't blame him, he was smart. blame the others and blame andy for being hypocrite. the problem is those that think that with this stage, the karma(because of the chaingate) talked with alberto. lol

hopefully they die.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

I'm not at all sure that we can simply attribute the second group's growing time loss to the second crash. The first group was riding for the stage win and some of the best riders in the world on this sort of terrain were going all out. The second group sat around letting Euskaltel (Euskaltel!!) run the chase.

If Contador and Saxobank had been working to pull back the split, I do not believe that they would have finished 1min20 behind. They choose not to do the work, so they get to eat their time loss with a side order of no sympathy at all. Sanchez on the other hand does deserve some sympathy, even though the rules worked as they were supposed to work, as his carrot army did do their feeble best.

Although it seemed odd, to say the least, that the chase was not more urgent, but in the end, it only effected how soon they reached the blockage from the second fall: like racing up to a red light at top speed.

What intrigues me more is how much a naive assumption that everyone delayed by the 2nd fall would get the same time, regardless of which group they were with when it happened, affected the last 2 km of chasing.

The rules, as summarised on letour.com, state "riders involved in a fall in the last three kilometres of a stage are given the same finishing time as the group which they belonged to" Contador & co did not belong to the same group as Schleck & co at the time of the second fall, so it was pure ignorance of the rules that meant they meandered home as if under no time pressure.

 

[VemrJR?]

If there's one thing cancellara wasn't today it's smart. Why would anyone stop when in front of the race just because gilbert is behind? Even if fabian should know that he is a poorer rider than gilbert, second place would still be a good launching pad for the jersey he wants to pick up tomorrow. But he just chickened

 

[c&cfan]

If there's one thing cancellara wasn't today it's smart. Why would anyone stop when in front of the race just because gilbert is behind? Even if fabian should know that he is a poorer rider than gilbert, second place would still be a good launching pad for the jersey he wants to pick up tomorrow. But he just chickened

look at his palmares then shot yourself after eating your own bodyparts, especially your intestines that most likely are in your head. (joking..or not. yes, no)

 

[karlboss]

While I do think it was unfair that Contador's group was 40sec(?) back when they hit the crash at 2km to go, and then come over the line 1:20 down as they were held up and are given 1:20...I'm glad that Alberto will have to race for this. I'll take a stab and so the Radioshack boys will be almost 2 minutes up by the end of the TTT so Contador will actually have to attack from more than 3km out on MTF if he wants to win.

 

[VemrJR?]

look at his palmares then shot yourself after eating your own bodyparts, especially your intestines that most likely are in your head. (joking..or not. yes, no)

I just look at what he did today, what he did before counts for nothing

 

[goggalor]

Does anyone have footage from the intermediate sprint?

 

[lilyprotector]

saxo not work to pull back split?

If Contador and Saxobank had been working to pull back the split, I do not believe that they would have finished 1min20 behind.

i'm confused by all the comments that saxo wasn't pulling (and was having euskatel do the work). it looked like contador and the one saxo rider with him were working as hard as they could. is this in reference to not pulling after the second crash in the 3km? just trying to understand.

what i don't understand is contador getting caught out in the back again. i would have expected him to learn from that mistake two years ago.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

look at his palmares then shot yourself after eating your own bodyparts, especially your intestines that most likely are in your head. (joking..or not. yes, no)

For the kind of finish they had today, Cancellara is a poorer rider than Gilbert.

Palmarès wise nobody would argue Cancellara is a great rider, but apart from a few moments (Olympics, Mendrisio Worlds) he hasn't shown a great deal uphill that Gilbert couldn't top.

 

[c&cfan]

For the kind of finish they had today, Cancellara is a poorer rider than Gilbert.

Palmarès wise nobody would argue Cancellara is a great rider, but apart from a few moments (Olympics, Mendrisio Worlds) he hasn't shown a great deal uphill that Gilbert couldn't top.

he wasn't that specific, he just said poorer rider witch is a lie after you know that they are in the same era and what both have accomplished.