2011 Tour de Suisse Stage 1: Lugano ITT, 7.3km

[Ryo Hazuki]

Lol, you haven't seen Stybar riding a prologue then. He time trials like Boonen sprints.

like I said, this prologue had nothing to do with itt style

 

[Spine Concept]

clearly TGBM could have stormed for the win and beat canc by 20 seconds. But I heard he is good friends with canc and wanted to give him the win and made it sure that he didnt win. I heard he stopped at the top of the mountain and waited for 1 minute to allow the others to do better.

Such an amiable guy that Mollema character. He has quite the knack for suppressing his undoubted greatness.

 

[Moondance]

thanks guy. Something must have gone wrong with bookwalter im clearly very dissapointed

I think I've got it figured out: he's not a good cyclist.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Looks like all the late starters lost something around 10-15 seconds on the descent, regardless of TT or prologue ability.

yeah to cancellara

 

[Chef_Vodnik]

yeah to cancellara

Yeah, but if everyone does it, regardless of skill, that's no coincidence.

 

[Oreknan]

there is a way for see the intermediate point times?

 

[Chef_Vodnik]

there is a way for see the intermediate point times?

No, but I wrote down some splits.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Yeah, but if everyone does it, regardless of skill, that's no coincidence.

what do you mean?? van garderen only lost 2 seconds to cancellara in final downhil. it only means cancellara is of a different level

 

[Chef_Vodnik]

what do you mean?? van garderen only lost 2 seconds to cancellara in final downhil. it only means cancellara is of a different level

I'm not talking about Fabian or Van Garderen. I'm talking about the last +/- 15 guys to go on the road. Leipheimer etc.
For example, Leipheimer had 7 Seconds at the Split, and was down 21 at the end, losing 15 seconds.
Velits has 2 Seconds at the Split, and comes in with 21 at the end, losing 19 seconds.
Yes, it's time lost in regard to Cance, but everyone lost between 10-20 seconds, which leads me to believe that conditions hat an effect, albeit a small one.
Schleck had 15 at the split and 42, and he is a VERY Bad descender compared to the aforementioned two. Plus, if conditions have gotten worse progressively (which I believe is the case here, ever so slightly), he probably had the "worst" conditions.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

kloden lost 30 seconds in downhil, they all lost 20 seconds to cancellara before and after

 

[Bavarianrider]

I'm not talking about Fabian or Van Garderen. I'm talking about the last +/- 15 guys to go on the road. Leipheimer etc.
For example, Leipheimer had 7 Seconds at the Split, and was down 21 at the end, losing 15 seconds.
Velits has 2 Seconds at the Split, and comes in with 21 at the end, losing 19 seconds.
Yes, it's time lost in regard to Cance, but everyone lost between 10-20 seconds, which leads me to believe that conditions hat an effect, albeit a small one.

Cancellara is 10-15 Kilos heavier a much better bikehandler and way more powerful. No suprise here.

 

[Chef_Vodnik]

kloden lost 30 seconds in downhil, they all lost 20 seconds to cancellara before and after

Good, I did not see Klödens split, I was watching the Dauphiné at the time.
He descended badly by his own standards, too, however, since he was first at the split and could not hold that advantage to the stretch

 

[Lanark]

Yeah, last year on the same route Cancellara was 9 seconds behind Martin on top of the hill, and still won. Cancellara taking 10 to 20 seconds on everyone in a descend is completely normal (just think about his Monaco ITT, or the Olympics), the guys starting earlier probably lost the same amount of time.

 

[Chef_Vodnik]

Cancellara is 10-15 Kilos heavier a much better bikehandler and way more powerful. No suprise here.

Of course he is. Laws of physics, and all. I'm not arguing that Schleck did good, because he didn't. I'm just under the impression that the results are slightly skewed because of the weather conditions. Even the Swiss TV guys spoke about it, saying that Fabian would have had a harder time if he had started later on.

But whatever, this forum isn't about free speech, it's a dictatorship

 

[Bavarianrider]

Of course he is. Laws of physics, and all. I'm not arguing that Schleck did good, because he didn't. I'm just under the impression that the results are slightly skewed because of the weather conditions. Even the Swiss TV guys spoke about it, saying that Fabian would have had a harder time if he had started later on.

But whatever, this forum isn't about free speech, it's a dictatorship

Well he would have won anyway, ithink we can agree on this. After all it doesn't really matter how much time the others lost on him, anyway

 

[Chef_Vodnik]

Well he would have won anyway, ithink we can agree on this. After all it doesn't really matter how much time the others lost on him, anyway

Exactly. Nobody cares.
I'm just on about the "worsening" conditions on the road. And I'm betting that worse conditions affect worse bike handlers more then good bike handlers.
But I guess it's more fun to go "ROFL Cunego did bad in the descent TROLOLO"

 

[jaylew]

Yet another 2nd for TJVG. With Tiralongo and VDB2 off the list, he's my vote for best rider without a win at this point. Granted, he's only had a year and a half, but he's got a ton of top 5s in that period for a non-sprinter.

 

[The Hitch]

This was today

Ah crap.

Well from looking at the results the stand out performance seems to be Soler. Wow.

Hes going to be banging at the tour. (if he doesnt fall which he probably will).

 

[RedheadDane]

Last year's winner has the yellow jersey? That's weird...

Them creeeziiii Swissies

 

[Escarabajo]

Frank displaying his bike handling skills.
Only a week down on Spartacus.

But Soler beat Frank!

 

[Michielveedeebee]

Last year's winner has the yellow jersey? That's weird...

Them creeeziiii Swissies

that's also allowed in TdF I think, but they just don't do it...

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

But Soler beat Frank!

interestingly enough solers split time on the climb wasn't with the best 10, so he rode a very good downhil!!

 

[El Pistolero]

Last year's winner has the yellow jersey? That's weird...

Them creeeziiii Swissies

It used to be done in the Tour as well back in the day. Armstrong did it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DHn0Iyzpz0&playnext=1&list=PL15FCCB3BC879B9E4

Not wearing it here, but the commentators are surprised he's not wearing his yellow jersey.

 

[la.margna]

Yeah, last year on the same route Cancellara was 9 seconds behind Martin on top of the hill, and still won. Cancellara taking 10 to 20 seconds on everyone in a descend is completely normal (just think about his Monaco ITT, or the Olympics), the guys starting earlier probably lost the same amount of time.

yeah. couldn't agree more.

 

[FabulousCandelabra]

only rider I want even less to win the tour is evans but that's like chosing aids over cancer. both are utter horror

umm, cancer is far worse.. cancer will kill you in months, aids you can live with if you take meds, for quite a long time, supposedly you can have a lifespan 10 or 15 years shorter on average than a healthy person... it still is horrible.. just one can be a very quick death sentence.