2011 Vuelta a España Stage 17: Faustino V --> Peña Cabarga 211,0 km

[El Pistolero]

lol yeh. Was good, but come on.

Tour mountains, who expects these to be entertaining anyway.

Erm, did any of you guys actually watch the Alps this year?

As if the Vuelta mountains and Giro mountains were entertaining. What's up with the Tour hate here lol?

Vuelta is the most boring GT every single year.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

The pyrenees in the Tour were worse than every mountain stage in the Vuelta bar Sierra Nevada en Manzaneda

Plus I agree the Vuelta steep finishes were better than the tour steep finishes. Created more differences than mur de bretagne and super besse.

 

[El Pistolero]

The pyrenees in the Tour were worse than every mountain stage in the Vuelta bar Sierra Nevada en Manzaneda

Actually, all stages in this Vuelta were like the Pyrenees except the one Rein Taramei(sic) won and the Angliru.

Pena Cabarga was an interesting uphill sprint, we had enough of those at the Tour.

 

[El Pistolero]

The pyrenees in the Tour were worse than every mountain stage in the Vuelta bar Sierra Nevada en Manzaneda

Plus I agree the Vuelta steep finishes were better than the tour steep finishes. Created more differences than mur de bretagne and super besse.

That doesn't make it more interesting lol?

No way were any of the stages Jrod won more interesting than Super-Besse.

Ps: there were only 3 Pyrenees stages lol.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Yes that does make it more interesting. The way the field was split up and the contenders lost time to eachother is always better than a large group coming in together in the same time (Tour de France).

You're just biased again.Going by reputation of participating field to find entertainment.

Just as I found the Tour of Utah, despite the coverage and relatively poor field more entertaining than Paris Nice. I find the Vuelta more entertaining than the Tour, this year. Even despite the Alps, which were a great spectacle

 

[El Pistolero]

Yes that does make it more interesting. The way the field was split up and the contenders lost time to eachother is always better than a large group coming in together in the same time (Tour de France).

You're just biased again.

Why would I be biased of a stage Rui Costa won?

Did you actually forget the attack of Vinokourov before the final hill?

Yeah, you won't see any of that in this joke of a Vuelta. As there is no hill or mountain before the final hill(hyperbole)

Jrod's stage wins were about as interesting as Gilbert's stage win on stage 1.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Like I said, you're biased in favor of more reputated starting fields and big names. To you a race is a joke if a certain amount of top riders don't start there / perform there.

To me a race is entertaining when it's actually entertaining, full of action, and exciting.

Therefore Vuelta > Tour this year, for me (even despite the Alps. Just like Tour of Utah > Paris Nice this year....

I don't care so much about reputation like you do

 

[El Pistolero]

Like I said, you're biased in favor of more reputated starting fields and big names. To you a race is a joke if a certain amount of top riders don't start there / perform there.

To me a race is entertaining when it's actually entertaining, full of action, and exciting.

Therefore Vuelta > Tour this year, for me (even despite the Alps. Just like Tour of Utah > Paris Nice this year....

I don't care so much about reputation like you do

To me a race is actually entertaining when something fun happens. That hasn't happened in this Vuelta.

The Tour was full of action and excitement. Paris-Nice was boring, why would I find that an exciting race? Paris-Nice actually resembles the Vuelta quite a lot

 

[Descender]

Me thinks a spaniard stole El Pistolero's girlfriend.

 

[El Pistolero]

Me thinks a spaniard stole El Pistolero's girlfriend.

No, I like a lot of Spanish cyclists. I just think the Vuelta is one big joke compared to the other Grand Tours. All mountain stages are incredibly easy for elite climbers and rarely have mountains in quick succession after each other.

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

Yes that does make it more interesting. The way the field was split up and the contenders lost time to eachother is always better than a large group coming in together in the same time (Tour de France).

You're just biased again.Going by reputation of participating field to find entertainment.

Just as I found the Tour of Utah, despite the coverage and relatively poor field more entertaining than Paris Nice. I find the Vuelta more entertaining than the Tour, this year. Even despite the Alps, which were a great spectacle

no way were the tour stages better. Big *** groups coming together, boring as hell.

Vuelta lacked in some departments but basically all mountain stages have been better then the Pyrenees. To be honest, Andy and conta saved the alps with long ridiculous attacks.
It was an unpredictable tour, but the mountains were pretty disappointing I felt

 

[cineteq]

No, I like a lot of Spanish cyclists. I just think the Vuelta is one big joke compared to the other Grand Tours.

Because Contador isn't racing?

 

[The Hitch]

Me thinks a spaniard stole El Pistolero's girlfriend.

Nope.

An Espanola stole his boyfriend.

 

[El Pistolero]

no way were the tour stages better. Big *** groups coming together, boring as hell.

Vuelta lacked in some departments but basically all mountain stages have been better then the Pyrenees. To be honest, Andy and conta saved the alps with long ridiculous attacks.
It was an unpredictable tour, but the mountains were pretty disappointing I felt

The Alps made more then up for it to me. People finished in the same time here on every stage... Even the Angliru 3 people finished in the same time...

Except Cobo no one ever put in an a serious attack(not counting attacks from 1km to go, that's just sad)

I like attacks from a long way out the most. In the Tour Andy, Vinokourov and Contador attacked from a long way out. You just don't get that in the Vuelta. Battle for green was also pretty interesting the first 2 weeks with Gilbert doing a few pointless attacks from a long way out. After that it became boring as hell though

Oh, and the stage Greipel won. That was a beauty as well!

I remain with my opinion: stage 16, 17, 18 and 19 were better than anything this Vuelta has offered so far. Stage 16 was even interesting from the very beginning because we got to see the break form.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

We'll respectfully totally disagree of opinions then and leave it at that

 

[Descender]

I don't think this Vuelta will be one for the ages, I agree with Pistolero that there's been a lack of multi-climb stages with climbs before the last one. But we did have Ventana and San Lorenzo right before Farrapona and that was the first time EVER in the Vuelta in Spain where the second to last climb was harder than the last one. And then there was the Cordal, but no one is mad enough to do anything there.

Now again, I think this Vuelta has been entertaining, that's it. Nothing special.

Same about the Tour tbh... the Alps were fantastic, but we had to wait 2 and a half weeks to see anything worth seeing... the rest was stinking manure.

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

ial.

Same about the Tour tbh... the Alps were fantastic, but we had to wait 2 and a half weeks to see anything worth seeing... the rest was stinking manure.

Honestly the alps were the only good things to take from the tour imo. And it took some massive balls from the riders to do this.
Maybe a stage here or there was good.

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

Erm, did any of you guys actually watch the Alps this year?

As if the Vuelta mountains and Giro mountains were entertaining. What's up with the Tour hate here lol?

Vuelta is the most boring GT every single year.

just saw this now.

lol. It was a figure of speech. I have said the alps were good, that's it tho.

And please, stage 14 and 15 of giro > alps tour. easy.
Other then the lack of suspense because conta was so strong and maybe a weaker field - debatable - stage 15 was a thing of beauty.

 

[auscyclefan94]

The Alps made more then up for it to me. People finished in the same time here on every stage... Even the Angliru 3 people finished in the same time...

Except Cobo no one ever put in an a serious attack(not counting attacks from 1km to go, that's just sad)

I like attacks from a long way out the most. In the Tour Andy, Vinokourov and Contador attacked from a long way out. You just don't get that in the Vuelta. Battle for green was also pretty interesting the first 2 weeks with Gilbert doing a few pointless attacks from a long way out. After that it became boring as hell though

Oh, and the stage Greipel won. That was a beauty as well!

I remain with my opinion: stage 16, 17, 18 and 19 were better than anything this Vuelta has offered so far. Stage 16 was even interesting from the very beginning because we got to see the break form.

I agree. The Tour takes the bikkies for me.

- Across 3 weeks we saw some unpredicatable racing
- I thought we saw some rather aggresive racing
- It came down to the wire.
- The Alps were amazing
- Time was gained and lost on stages that weren't expected to be descisive.
- Alberto's fighting spirit. I gained a lot of respect for him.
- Andy's attack showed a lot of Panache.
- Cadel road like a champion and got that elusive victory with some amazing rides across the Alps.

 

[El Pistolero]

Honestly the alps were the only good things to take from the tour imo. And it took some massive balls from the riders to do this.
Maybe a stage here or there was good.

People would go crazy here if something like stage 16 in the Tour happened in this Vuelta. Stage 17 in Tour was just as cool as Liquigas TTT stage.

And I do really hope you mean only good GC action as there were a lot of other good things by riders like Gilbert, Hushovd, Greipel and even Cavendish(stage he won where Gilbert got second).

 

[simo1733]

ok i was a bit too excited but today froome would have dropped both contador and rasmussen

look at that alien face behind cobo:

Cobo looks more like a typical climber ie 30 yr old who looks 50

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

People would go crazy here if something like stage 16 in the Tour happened in this Vuelta. Stage 17 in Tour was just as cool as Liquigas TTT stage.

And I do really hope you mean only good GC action as there were a lot of other good things by riders like Gilbert, Hushovd, Greipel and even Cavendish(stage he won where Gilbert got second).

GC is them main factor for me yes. Hushovd was good. And of course gilbert was entertaining.

however those uphill finishes were quite disappointing imo, hardly impacted GC.
Other then gesink fail, it was pretty boring gc wise. Pretty big groups coming in together too.

 

[CatsNK]

SOOOOOO glad I did not read this forum before watching the re-run on Universal Sports last night!

Talk about exciting! I was yelling so loudly at tv that DBF came out to see what was going on. It just kept getting more and more exciting. Could not have been better.

Very glad I didn't know the outcome like I usually do!

 

[maltiv]

Cobo looks more like a typical climber ie 30 yr old who looks 50

He is too large to look like an actual climber though. Climbers nowadays usually have the body of Schlecks, Contador, Samu etc while Cobo is far bigger. Cobo is actually 6 kgs heavier than Andy Schleck while being 12 centimeters lower...

 

[Spaniard]

He is too large to look like an actual climber though. Climbers nowadays usually have the body of Schlecks, Contador, Samu etc while Cobo is far bigger. Cobo is actually 6 kgs heavier than Andy Schleck while being 12 centimeters lower...

Actually he doesn't look like a cyclist, more like a boxer. It seems that his nickname "El bisonte" is related with his corpulent body.