2011 Vuelta a Espana Stage 5: Sierra Nevada - Valdepenas de Jaen, 186km (24/8)

[Spine Concept]

Wielerflits isn't a news source, they copy paste stuff, in this case from the Telegraaf. Where it says that he had a flat before the Alto de Valdepenas, and that's the penultimate climb.

So Dekker_T, curb the hype a bit

I see. Duly noted for future reference. Wielerflits is not to be trusted completely. I just find it odd that he said that particular event might have costed him the win though. That's what threw me off.

 

[Kwibus]

I see. Duly noted for future reference. Wielerflits is not to be trusted completely. I just find it odd that he said that particular event might have costed him the win though. That's what threw me off.

He said the energy he had to spent to pass all the dropped riders on the 2nd cat climb to get back to the favourites group couldve have cost him the win today.
Still comes down 'if' and 'if' is one of the most useless things there are

 

[Spine Concept]

He said the energy he had to spent to pass all the dropped riders on the 2nd cat climb to get back to the favourites group couldve have cost him the win today.
Still comes down 'if' and 'if' is one of the most useless things there are

Exactly. He had bad luck, that's a given, but to say it might have cost him the win from 20ks out is a bit far-fetched. It's plausible but generically not accepted as a good excuse. Notwithstanding, he did awesome.

 

[Michielveedeebee]

That's not hard. How old is JVDB and how many GT has he ridden in his career?

That's like saying Leipheimers GT record > JvdB

His results in GT's are better though... wether or not Mollema has ridden less, doesn't matter I see JVdB getting a better result here as well

 

[Wergeland]

Thanks for the update. One tough kid, which is more than can be said about the bike.

According to this article: http://www.procycling.no/article3215730.ece
Arvesen was in the Sky-bus ready to retire form the race, but then decided "dammit, I can't quit."

There's also a photo of the bike. The frame is literally broken in two.

Tweet from Karsten Kroon:The worst crash I've ever seen, going 70k/h I was in the wheel of @kaarvesen when a child ran on the road and he couldn't avoid him.

I narrowly escaped and thought they were both dead. I was in shock, could not peddel anymore and started crying.

I thought, so now the race stops or what? Incredibly, both Kurt and the kid are more or less ok. Thank god."

Sounds like one hell of a crash.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

His results in GT's are better though... wether or not Mollema has ridden less, doesn't matter I see JVdB getting a better result here as well

and you missed the point, I'm saying the comparison doesn't make sense because JvdB is much further in his career than Mollema

 

[jsem94]

I was able to translate the article pretty well. He said he was racing at about 60km/hr upon impact, and the kid had run onto the road to pick up a bottle a previous rider had tossed - and as Arvesen came around he couldn't stop and hit the kid.

Everyone was allright though. Arvesen did consider retiring, and was getting undressed in the team bus - but decided that he couldn't quit there and then.


Nasty crash... I hope the boy can learn from his mistakes.

 

[Michielveedeebee]

and you missed the point, I'm saying the comparison doesn't make sense because JvdB is much further in his career than Mollema

yes, he is, that's what makes him a better GT rider atm

 

[auscyclefan94]

Purito is amazingly strong. There are plenty of mtn stages that he can gain time back on some of the others if he loses 3mins in the ITT. He's looking super strong. I was a little dissapointed with nibali today but surprised with JVdb. Wiggins did as well as I expected.

 

[jens_attacks]

i was just looking at the video of last year's stage...purito was faster this time than anton

last km 2010-2:17 26.27 km/h
last km 2011-2:06 28.57 km/h

katusha did a helluva job,glad to see big karpets back

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Nice. So Poels 2:11 was also faster than Anton last year heck, even the Mollema/Scarponi/Vandenbroeck (2:13) was faster than Anton last year.

No wonder Nibali couldn't do it this year. He rides the same time as last year (2:17)

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

last year's vuelta didn't have the greatest field, unsurprised if the tempo is a little hard this year.

But I do think nibbles has grown a lot since last vuelta also. He is a real chance for the overall imo.

 

[auscyclefan94]

Nice. So Poels 2:11 was also faster than Anton last year heck, even the Mollema/Scarponi/Vandenbroeck (2:13) was faster than Anton last year.

No wonder Nibali couldn't do it this year. He rides the same time as last year (2:17)

Difficult to compare from year to year imo as conditions, race tatics, etc can change a fair bit. Nibali's problem was that he just exploded by trying to go with Moreno and Jrod quite early.

 

[greenedge]

So clinical by Katusha. Nice ride by Poels and Moncoutie. Anton is in bad shape. Martin surprised by how bad he was.

 

[jens_attacks]

acf actually is not that hard to compare,they alway fly at the top of those murs and there are no race tactics involved,it's too short for that
comparisons are silly of course but are always funny

 

[Havetts]

Difficult to compare from year to year imo as conditions, race tatics, etc can change a fair bit. Nibali's problem was that he just exploded by trying to go with Moreno and Jrod quite early.

It is comparable I guess cause the final stretch was 100 meters longer, so they powered up even faster !

 

[Tuarts]

Its a decent indicator. Especially being the end of a stage, with no break away sticking you know they'll go up it as quick as possible so its possible to compare. Even the fact its uphill reduces the wind variable a bit.

 

[movingtarget]

Rodriguez always does well on those types of finishes. The critical stage for him and winning the overall is the time trial as usual. His climbing is as good as ever.

 

[El Pistolero]

Its a decent indicator. Especially being the end of a stage, with no break away sticking you know they'll go up it as quick as possible so its possible to compare. Even the fact its uphill reduces the wind variable a bit.

Wind doesn't matter that much, the finish is in a street filled with houses on both sides for the most part.

 

[Amsterhammer]

Arvesen's encounter with the child yesterday! The woman on the left is possibly the mother.

 

[Señor_Contador]

Not for nothing but... if Nibali had trouble following Moreno and JRod... he's kinda up sh*t creek without a paddle come Angliru.

I see Nibali having the worst day of his life (on the bike of course) on the Angliru.

 

[Fetisoff]

Arvesen's encounter with the child yesterday! The woman on the left is possibly the mother.

Ouch... I'm surprised Arvesen managed to get back on the bike today, albeit not for too long. Hope the kid's ok and will learn his lesson

 

[Señor_Contador]

Arvesen's encounter with the child yesterday! The woman on the left is possibly the mother.

I don't understand people. I swear to God. What was she thinking?!

Why some human beings do what they do is beyond me.

 

[just some guy]

Arvesen's encounter with the child yesterday! The woman on the left is possibly the mother.

This is what the man behind wrote about it

arstenKroon Karsten Kroon
I thought, so now the race stops or what? Incredibly, both Kurt and the kid are more or less ok. Thank god.
18 hours ago
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KarstenKroon Karsten Kroon
I narrowly escaped and thought they were both dead. I was in shock, could not peddel anymore and started crying.
18 hours ago

KarstenKroon Karsten Kroon
The worst crash I've ever seen, going 70k/h I was in the wheel of @kaarvesen when a child ran on the road and he couldn't avoid him.
18 hours ago

 

[Amsterhammer]

Ouch... I'm surprised Arvesen managed to get back on the bike today, albeit not for too long. Hope the kid's ok and will learn his lesson

According to the Dutch Eurosport lads, the boy has no more than a broken arm and a cut lip, which is a pretty good sized miracle! Karsten Kroon, who was close behind Arvesen when this happened, tweeted that he was in tears on his bike as he thought for sure that both would be dead.