2012 Giro d'Italia, May 10th, stage 5: Modena - Fano 209Km

[Froome19]

The other teams should never help Sky EVER chasing on a flat stage. That way their lead out train will be worse and they have a better chance of beating Cavendish. Sky wasn't chasing today according to Cavendish(only watched the final 3km), so I have to go by his race summary.

I hope the other teams come to their senses and let Sky do all the work in the Tour. I can't wait to see a rivalry grow between Wiggins and Cavendish.

My question was which sprinter teams besides Garmin (who were defending the race lead) chased?

 

[El Pistolero]

Argos is there to help them They are there for sprints. GE will definitely help too, no matter what you said imo.

They shouldn't help otherwise they're idiots. It's like Andy and Frank dragging Gilbert to the line at LBL. It's not very smart.

Argos-Shimano is a continental team, they don't have the men to chase on all the flat stages and still do a good lead-out after. Degenkolb and Kittel is basically all they have. They also have some decent guys for a lead-out(who won't chase) and perhaps Patrick Gretsch. All others aren't really WT material.

 

[Froome19]

They shouldn't help otherwise they're idiots. It's like Andy and Frank dragging Gilbert to the line at LBL. It's not very smart.

Problem is with no HTC, the other sprinter teams are not 100% certain of Sky bringing back breaks, it is stupid but there is a bit of logic there as well.

 

[The Hitch]

And Farrar as third best

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I mentioned Farrar once. I felt that if anyone could challenge Cav in this race it was those 2. Yeah Farrar has sucked. Rather than 3rd best sprinter he has been about 5th.

Goss meanwhile, we had a 45 minute argument where you toyed with the idea that Goss isnt even a sprinter , declared his season a total failure that can not be saved, saying all his goals had already gone and he had done nothing, said he was overrated and that Renshaw is a far better sprinter.

I think its natural then that the humble pie in your face is significantly bigger and smashed with significantly more force, than the one on my face for overestimating Farrar

 

[El Pistolero]

Problem is with no HTC, the other sprinter teams are not 100% certain of Sky bringing back breaks, it is stupid but there is a bit of logic there as well.

Then the break goes away, why would they care. They might as well try and get someone in the break then and win the stage that way. 90% of the time Cav beats everyone on a flat stage. If they don't help chasing the percentages at least drop somewhat.

 

[El Pistolero]

I mentioned Farrar once. I felt that if anyone could challenge Cav in this race it was those 2. Yeah Farrar has sucked. Rather than 3rd best sprinter he has been about 5th.

Goss meanwhile, we had a 45 minute argument where you toyed with the idea that Goss isnt even a sprinter , declared his season a total failure that can not be saved, saying all his goals had already gone and he had done nothing, said he was overrated and that Renshaw is a far better sprinter.

I think its natural then that the humble pie in your face is significantly bigger and smashed with significantly more force, than the one on my face for overestimating Farrar

I said Renshaw had been better this year so far(said just after the first Giro stage). I never even called Renshaw a sprinter. Goss was that bad!

Didn't say he was over-rated, all I said he was crap which he was at that time. At least I don't act like Milan-San Remo and Gent-Wevelgem don't matter for guys like him like you do Goss isn't a good enough cyclist to try and risk everything on the Olympics.

You mentioned Farrar and Goss and that's the post you got criticized for. Farrar sucked, like the first part of the season showed and Goss improved. So you were only half right. It's like tossing a coin lol.

 

[Mellow Velo]

Once again Goss proves himself to be the only rider in the world capable of getting anywhere near Cav.

Feel free to keep the uncited quote in your sig.

Ill enjoy digging up the Renshaw> Goss posts you made, for many years yet

Have to agree with you, now.
Goss has definitely secured the 2nd best sprinter in the race tag.

I had to watch the race slightly delayed.

Besides, it gives El P chance to work up a head of steam with his Cav hate.

Impressed that Mark was able to make it over those small climbs at the front of the bunch................which is more than can be said of most of BMC.
(Did Frank make it back on, or is his GC aspirations done for?)

I still thought Sky took it up a little early, but Geraint Thomas did fine work at the end of the train.

 

[Froome19]

Then the break goes away, why would they care. They might as well try and get someone in the break then and win the stage that way. 90% of the time Cav beats everyone on a flat stage. If they don't help chasing the percentages at least drop somewhat.

As I said they're a bit stupid.

Also they have a responsibility to show faith and work for their sprinters and their sprinters expect it, so to not work for their sprinters would make the sprinters unhappy and they would demand it, all a bit stupid.

Btw the reason why the break was caught today was down to Garmin working (had to for Navardauskas) and Liquigas no other sprinting teams, so in terms of today your point is void.

 

[shalgo]

Could the "most combative" classification be any more of a misnomer?

 

[hatcher]

The other teams should never help Sky EVER chasing on a flat stage. That way their lead out train will be worse and they have a better chance of beating Cavendish. Sky wasn't chasing today according to Cavendish(only watched the final 3km), so I have to go by his race summary.

I hope the other teams come to their senses and let Sky do all the work in the Tour. I can't wait to see a rivalry grow between Wiggins and Cavendish.

Maybe watch stages if you're going to comment on them.

Garmin held the gap steady so they could keep the race lead, then Liqui and Astana (non sprinter teams) turned up the gas up the hill.

 

[Froome19]

I said Renshaw had been better this year so far(said just after the first Giro stage). I never even called Renshaw a sprinter. Goss was that bad!

Didn't say he was over-rated, all I said he was crap which he was at that time. At least I don't act like Milan-San Remo and Gent-Wevelgem don't matter for guys like him like you do Goss isn't a good enough cyclist to try and risk everything on the Olympics.

You mentioned Farrar and Goss and that's the post you got criticized for. Farrar sucked, like the first part of the season showed and Goss improved. So you were only half right. It's like tossing a coin lol.

Wow you must hate the Tour of Turkey, they have 8 stage or so all for riders who are not even specialised.

 

[El Pistolero]

Have to agree with you, now.
Goss has definitely secured the 2nd best sprinter in the race tag.

Yeah, Goss is the second best sprinter in this race. Hitch is posting stuff I said on the first sprinter stage after a crash took out half of the rivals. No way could you say with certainty that Goss was the second best sprinter at that time. And Farrar the third best one lol.

That's what this dumb discussion is about after all. Hitch is just mad I called Goss crap so far this season(before the Giro obviously). Don't know why... Valid observation if you ask me.

 

[Geraint Too Fast]

4 Euskaltel's finished in the gruppetto today. Good luck Mikel...

 

[El Pistolero]

Maybe watch stages if you're going to comment on them.

Garmin held the gap steady so they could keep the race lead, then Liqui and Astana (non sprinter teams) turned up the gas up the hill.

And Sky did zero work despite having the biggest favorite for the stage. I was speaking in general, not just this stage.

No, I'm never watching a full flat stage except the summary.

 

[Waterloo Sunrise]

As a footnote, Cav has now moved clear of Coppi on GT stage wins, and has exactly half as many as Merckx.

Those two club riders must be proud to be mentioned in the same breathe as such a great champion.

 

[Froome19]

4 Euskaltel's finished in the gruppetto today. Good luck Mikel...

Doesnt go with

This does.

 

[Frosty]

(Did Frank make it back on, or is his GC aspirations done for?)

Matthias Frank

179th, 9.14 down

 

[The Hitch]

Hitch is just mad I called Goss crap so far this season(before the Giro obviously). Don't know why... Valid observation if you ask me.

You said Goss was going to lose to Renshaw in the sprints. You were wrong.

I said Farrar was going to be one of the top sprinters. I was wrong. I admit it.

You meanwhile keep trying to twist and lie your way out from Ever admitting you made any false predictions or comments.

Pathetic really. If you had admitted on stage 2 - yes i was wrong, Goss is a sprinter and yes he is the 2nd best in the race, you were right this once, i see that now, then this conversation wouldnt be dragging its way into every sprint stage.

 

[The Hitch]

I don't think we will see to much Orange on the Stelvio.

 

[Mellow Velo]

BMC should consider putting some clauses in their million dollar contracts. Like you have to be able to survive a 4th cat. climb.

Before Mountains Climboff.

 

[Frosty]

Before Mountains Climboff.

Uh-oh, here we go again,.....

 

[El Pistolero]

This discussion started with you declaring someone second best based on his palmares alone. That logic is wrong and flawed, it doesn't matter if he actually did turn out to be the second best. It's really not that hard to get now is it...

 

[Mellow Velo]

Matthias Frank

179th, 9.14 down

I knew I picked him for my Giro team for a reason.
His tarmac inspection must have been worse than it looked, otherwise, that's truly pathetic.

 

[Waterloo Sunrise]

I do enjoy El P's argument.

So keen to avoid falling pray to hindsight that he's ignoring the here and now, safe in the knowledge that what he said then was the best thing he could have said then, even if events have since proven it conclusively wrong.

 

[El Pistolero]

I knew I picked him for my Giro team for a reason.
His tarmac inspection must have been worse than it looked, otherwise, that's truly pathetic.

The only pathetic cyclist of BMC in this Giro is Thor Hushovd.

If it wasn't for all those crashes, Phinney would have done a lot better. Some other BMC riders also crashed. And I think Hushovd was the only rider to have been dropped in the TTT. Hushovd has a HUGE lack of motivation this season.