that's it just : 'the world's best riders', he's no part of it...King Of The Wolds said:Baffles me when people are glad that they won't see the world's best riders.
that's it just : 'the world's best riders', he's no part of it...King Of The Wolds said:Baffles me when people are glad that they won't see the world's best riders.
OK, gotcha. Shall be just ban Cav, Boonen, Contador, Gilbert if he's in 2011 form, Cancellara if he's in 2010 form and Tony Martin from TTs, full stop, just for your enjoyment? Again, I can't get my head around this idea that it has to be really close to be entertaining. That's fine, but I enjoy seeing a master at work, and feel sorry for those who can't appreciate that.El Pistolero said:Anyway, it would make the flat stages definitely more interesting to watch, so that's the reason why some people want him out.
I missed 18 then.will10 said:Haven't we got nineteen "Cav is an undeserving World Champion" threads already?
For balance, explain to them also how the best GT rider might finish last in a flat stage and how the best climber might finish last in the sport's biggest one day race. I've done this many times, and anybody with an IQ of over 50 has understood straight away.Dekker_Tifosi said:Explain this to a guy following another sport. Yeah our current world champion cycling finished in the laughing group today because he can't actually climb. He finished 30 minutes behind the best.
Nobody would understand in their right mind how you can call it a world champion
What if Gilbert had won?Dekker_Tifosi said:Explain this to a guy following another sport. Yeah our current world champion cycling finished in the laughing group today because he can't actually climb. He finished 30 minutes behind the best.
Nobody would understand in their right mind how you can call it a world champion
Only if they were a bit dimDekker_Tifosi said:Explain this to a guy following another sport. Yeah our current world champion cycling finished in the laughing group today because he can't actually climb. He finished 30 minutes behind the best.
Nobody would understand in their right mind how you can call it a world champion
Yeah, that analogy would work the day you ask, say an NFL quarterback to play defensive lineman. Or a soccer striker to play goalie.Dekker_Tifosi said:Explain this to a guy following another sport. Yeah our current world champion cycling finished in the laughing group today because he can't actually climb. He finished 30 minutes behind the best.
Nobody would understand in their right mind how you can call it a world champion
Rujano might be the best climber in the world right now, in Contador's absence. He wouldn't make it past the first cobbled secteur in P-R.Dekker_Tifosi said:The best climber would never finish last in a hard classic.
Cancellara was sick and Gilbert was laughing all the way because he knew he would be put back in the race. If the time limit was actually ever enforced on a big name he wouldn't have missed it. But these riders know they can miss the time limit as long as they're in a big group.hatcher said:And how Gilbert and Cancellara, two cyclists in the discussion for best cyclist in the world, both missed the time limit in the 2011 Tour de France.
Oh well as long as Gilbert was laughing all the way. That isn't even more disgraceful.El Pistolero said:Cancellara was sick and Gilbert was laughing all the way because he knew he would be put back in the race. If the time limit was actually ever enforced on a big name he wouldn't have missed it. But these riders know they can miss the time limit as long as they're in a big group.
Every rider thinks like that because they know how to evade the time cut. Your little friend Mark Cavendish uses this trick a lot more than Gilbert, trust me.hatcher said:Oh well as long as Gilbert was laughing all the way. That isn't even more disgraceful.
But cycling is different.Zerak-Tul said:Yeah, that analogy would work the day you ask, say an NFL quarterback to play defensive lineman. Or a soccer striker to play goalie.
Please.
People specialize within sports, cycling is no different.
None of these riders have dominated their field for four years. Classics are more unpredictable and enjoyable than your average little flat stage. Besides, I never said I agreed with those people.King Of The Wolds said:OK, gotcha. Shall be just ban Cav, Boonen, Contador, Gilbert if he's in 2011 form, Cancellara if he's in 2010 form and Tony Martin from TTs, full stop, just for your enjoyment? Again, I can't get my head around this idea that it has to be really close to be entertaining. That's fine, but I enjoy seeing a master at work, and feel sorry for those who can't appreciate that.
+1Dekker_Tifosi said:Explain this to a guy following another sport. Yeah our current world champion cycling finished in the laughing group today because he can't actually climb. He finished 30 minutes behind the best.
Nobody would understand in their right mind how you can call it a world champion
Really? Ask them how good a keeper Messi is, or how good a pitcher Albert Pujols is.nickel999 said:+1
I try to explain this to my non-cycling sports frends who follow baseball and soccer but they can't grasp this concept.
Would they see Messi in goal, or Pujols pitching in 50% of the games they watch?hatcher said:Really? Ask them how good a keeper Messi is, or how good a pitcher Albert Pujols is.
They can't understand that some riders are good at some things and bad at others, and some riders are vice-versa? And in a 3 week race, you get both of these things happening, so the riders will get opportunities to be good and bad. And in a WC, which is a 1 day race, the race could be either of these things, so this will determine which riders will do well.nickel999 said:+1
I try to explain this to my non-cycling sports frends who follow baseball and soccer but they can't grasp this concept.