2012 Giro d'Italia; May 19th; Stage 14: Cherasco - Cervinia(205km)

[Mellow Velo]

He did say he'd be away this weekend.

No Ryo said he had to go away this weekend. So he'd record this stage + shut himself off from the internet.

His timing is better than his hero's, then.

 

[Susan Westemeyer]

This thread is not about Andy Schleck or Alberto Contador.

Stay on topic. This is an official warning. Sanctions are ready and willing to be handed out.

Susan

 

[trevim]

First Greenedge rider on today's stage: 98th place

First Saxo Bank rider on today's stage: Tosatto 106th place.

Eat that GreenEdge

 

[Lexman]

the "Members Suspension" thread

didn't even know it existed

 

[Magnus]

First Saxo Bank rider on today's stage: Tosatto 106th place.

Eat that GreenEdge

At least there isn't a team maglia nera competition

 

[IlCobraFan]

Dull race - again.

Hopefully tomorrow will be more exciting.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Why has it become acceptable for the contenders to not race the first mountain stage?

Who said they weren't? Riders were going off the back in blazing glory! Some of this is perception. They don't show riders exploding off the back, or have a graphic way to describe relative pace with racers cracking. One just has to look at the results. Racers were all over those mountains.

While I agree in principal with what you are saying, what could the Giro organizers do? Time bonus? My answer is get rid of team radios. I find it very hard to believe DS's were NOT managing splits while watching Eurosport and giving their riders detailed race information from the car. Again, if safety is *actually* an issue, then Race Radio (ex. Giro organizer) can broadcast and riders can use a one-way.

As long as team radios are barking orders and providing splits among other things, it's going to be lots of tempo racing like today.

Ryder's attack was awesome racing. The EPO days are behind us now, and until team radios are gone, this is what most racing is probably going to look like. No matter what, Ryder and his team are going to have a **very** difficult day tomorrow. That leader's jersey weighs heavy on the shoulders of a rider.

 

[fluffkitten]

Dull race - again.

Hopefully tomorrow will be more exciting.

Don't be too surprised if nothing much happens before the last half of the final climb.

 

[profff]

Henao and Uran are just as much over-hyped by Ryo than Rujano. Rujano rides for the devil team though and the first 2 for Sky.

i do not care about ryo's hyping but i am very astonished that you do not realize how well is going henao in his first year in europe racing his first GT.
I do not remember any young rider ( except andy schleck in 2007) doing so well in his first GT. Henao is practically a neo pro in europe.

it is quite deceiving that your first goal is to blame ryo, instead of analyzing what is really happening in the sport we love.

if you say that ruyano was deceiving today you are right probably, but today you cannot criticize henao and uran .maybe tomorrow you will be right , but not today.

i add that everybody is complaining boring racing ....ruyano was the only one who tried to attack and everybody is criticizing him...

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

just watched the final climb

It didn't strike me as a particularly difficult climb. Hard to make differences on.
I'll remember that Hesjedal was very strong and the Sky duo looked good.

Sadly, I have to admit Rujano does not look good and he will not play a role this Giro.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

I had to go and check the "Members Suspension" thread to see if Ryo had been hit by the ban hammer again, but no, it appears he has simply gone into hiding.

Have to agree with El P on the Henao hype from that man, too.
Seriously overplayed.
(but they are going well as we enter the big lumps.)

ryo announced before the stage he was gone this weekend, but then again, why do you care.

 

[El Pistolero]

i do not care about ryo's hyping but i am very astonished that you do not realize how well is going henao in his first year in europe racing his first GT.
I do not remember any young rider ( except andy schleck in 2007) doing so well in his first GT. Henao is practically a neo pro in europe.

it is quite deceiving that your first goal is to blame ryo, instead of analyzing what is really happening in the sport we love.

if you say that ruyano was deceiving today you are right probably, but today you cannot criticize henao and uran .maybe tomorrow you will be right , but not today.

i add that everybody is complaining boring racing ....ruyano was the only one who tried to attack and everybody is criticizing him...

Henao has been a pro for 6 years now and is 25 years old. It might be his first race in Europe, but he's far from a neo pro.

Contador won the Tour at age 24. Damiano Cunego the Giro at age 22. Andy was second in the Giro at age 21 or something. Jan Ullrich won the white jersey in the Tour 3 times and the Tour once at young age.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

you reply to 1 point but ignore all others, typical El Pisti

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

I don't get the boring claims, I love seeing riders fall off the back from hard pace. To me this is climbing. Considering the gradients I think it was good.

 

[El Pistolero]

you reply to 1 point but ignore all others, typical El Pisti

Because they made no sense. I never criticized Henao or Uran, only Ryo.

Anyway, Thomas De Gendt is around the same age as Henao and was also up there. Let's not blow the performance of Uran and Henao out of proportion shall we.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Because they made no sense. I never criticized Henao or Uran, only Ryo.

Anyway, Thomas De Gendt is around the same age as Henao and was also up there. Let's not blow this climb out of proportion shall we.

de gendt only returned at the very last flat part.
Henao was still there when all big guns fired

 

[El Pistolero]

He was still there though This is far from the best performance of someone starting his first GT. Or from a young person for that matter.

 

[hrotha]

I don't get the boring claims, I love seeing riders fall off the back from hard pace. To me this is climbing. Considering the gradients I think it was good.

You're not serious, are you.

Used to be there weren't many super steep climbs around. Two very long climbs with almost no flat in between and with respectable (~6%) gradients should be ideal to attack. Not steep enough? But the gaps were made in the false flat, just because that's what the final kilometers were like.

 

[The Hitch]

Have to agree with El P on the Henao hype from that man, too.
Seriously overplayed.
(but they are going well as we enter the big lumps.)

Once again, why? Did he say henao was going to blow everyone away? no, rujano was going to do that. The henao hype is not even close.

 

[hrotha]

Once again, why? Did he say henao was going to blow everyone away? no, rujano was going to do that. The henao hype is not even close.

He's been tipping Henao to either podium or blow up. We'll see.

 

[Froome19]

Once again, why? Did he say henao was going to blow everyone away? no, rujano was going to do that. The henao hype is not even close.

In fact he actually admitted that he believes that Henao isnt in his opinion as strong as Quintana and will not become a total world beater.

Ok it is not much, but it is something.

 

[El Pistolero]

Once again, why? Did he say henao was going to blow everyone away? no, rujano was going to do that. The henao hype is not even close.

I know who Ryo is on a couple of different forums. Let's just say he's actually very calm here.

 

[dgodave]

I call BS on that one. I've seen very few mountain stages with two big climbs one after the other, with no flat in between, and a MTF, being wasted like this. They only upped the pace with 6 km to go (the last, what, 3 km? being flattish). With domestiques.

It was definitely one of the worst mountain stages I've ever seen in a GT, and while I wasn't expecting much, I expected at least a semi-hard first climb, a hard second climb, and the actual contenders going at it, first person mode, with at least some 6 km to go. I don't think that's asking for much, and if modern cycling can't even deliver 6 important kms per mountain stage, it's doomed.

I disagree.
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Those here who looked closely at the profile of last climb were more or less prepared for this. The grade was simply too shallow. Long solo efforts would be seriously penalized at those speeds.
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When things get a bit steeper, and the pace slower, I'd expect earlier attacking.
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[Dekker_Tifosi]

He was still there though This is far from the best performance of someone starting his first GT. Or from a young person for that matter.

De Gendt rode the Tour last year. So what first GT?

 

[El Pistolero]

De Gendt rode the Tour last year. So what first GT?

I'm not calling Thomas De Gendt the most impressive youngster I've ever seen in a GT though. But the fact remains that they're around the same age.

He was 6th(or 5th if you will) on Alpe Dhuez and fourth(or third if you will) in the long time trial. Yes, he didn't do anything the 2 weeks before, but he had a nasty crash at the beginning of the Tour. I think you can relate to that since you're a Gesink fan.

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By the way, was I the only one thinking Jan Barta will sign for Quick Step next year? If he's not under contract at least.