2012 Giro d'Italia, May 7th, stage 3: Horsens → Horsens, 190K

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

If that were the case, like Phinney he would've been given the same time as everyone who avoided or was in front of the crash. He had to have had some type of mechanical prior to the crash or been involved in another crash earlier if he lost time like that.

Edit: Stefrees already responded with same reasoning much earlier.

The second part of that post was an edit. Sorry for the confusion.

He was given the same time, but not according to the incorrect GC that was up at CN at the time.

 

[The Hitch]

I don't like riders combining two sports and trying to make us buy products that don't work(Geraint Thomas)

Ah, so i assume you will be outraged by the winner in 4days. Lets go to that thread to check out the outrage

 

[happychappy]

Your trolling is getting pathetic Hitch.

His trolling? My irony detecter just exploded.

 

[hrotha]

Relax. As the "" indicates was joking with you there.

Ah, see, that's the problem. For El Pisti, "" expresses nothing but condescension!

 

[Zoetemelk-fan]

For a long time I felt a lot of testosterone in this thead. A lot of guys with sprinter mentality indeed, but yet again some rouleurs who will continue like a Thierry Marie on his road to Le Havre....

 

[El Pistolero]

Ah, so i assume you will be outraged by the winner in 4days. Lets go to that thread to check out the outrage

This is what I posted in that thread:

Yes, those are the races he's really interested in. Not Milan-San Remo or Liège, but the Ronde van Vlaanderen and Paris-Roubaix. He's a cyclo-crosser, he speaks Flemish and has lived here for years. It's only normal that he wants to shine in those races. He's loved here in Belgium, a lot more than Lars Boom.

In cyclo-cross his favorite terrain were the fast races though. He's also very explosive on the little hills they have in such cyclo-cross racers and has a strong finishing kick. He isn't as technically skilled as a Niels Albert or Sven Nys though, who are better than him on muddy and sandy races.

Sven Nys is the king of muddy/technical races.
Niels Albert is the king of sand races and also very skilled at the fast courses, mud and hills(like Stybar).
Kevin Pauwels is the king of the very hilly races. Definitely the best climber of the four. At least last season.

Stybar is a bit of an all-rounder in cyclo-cross, but I'd say he's the best of the four at the fast courses. If he enters the World Championship cyclo-cross next year in the USA he'll be the favorite on that terrain. I hope he doesn't enter though, because he wouldn't be riding a lot of cyclo-cross races with his rainbow jersey.

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Trust me, I'm very consistent on this subject. If Stybar enters the Worlds, there will be a lot of disliking going on from my part.

Stybar said he's made the full transition to the road now though, he'll do a similar approach as Lars Boom. I'm happy with that.

 

[therhodeo]

Cav also had 3 teammates around him after that decent and couldn't close a 20 meter gap.

 

[greenedge better then some]

wow had to go back 8 pages to read anything not about cav

goss is the 2nd best sprinter in the world an today was his day,who cares what happened anywhere else,
wonder what the haters think about greenedge now? do nothing in the grand tour ay? lancaster to win overall? to top of the tour

 

[El Pistolero]

wow had to go back 8 pages to read anything not about cav

goss is the 2nd best sprinter in the world an today was his day,who cares what happened anywhere else,
wonder what the haters think about greenedge now? do nothing in the grand tour ay? lancaster to win overall? to top of the tour

Have you ever heard of the rider named Marcel Kittel?
Also, do you know who Andre Greipel is?

 

[greenedge better then some]

Have you ever heard of the rider named Marcel Kittel?
Also, do you know who Andre Greipel is?

goss is better,hands down

 

[Froome19]

goss is better,hands down

As a rider YES.
In terms of speed NO.

 

[Spine Concept]

goss is better,hands down

Not another fanboy. . Kittel and an in-form Greipel ought to beat Goss 9 out of 10 times in a flat sprint. A hilly finish probably suits Goss better though.

 

[DominicDecoco]

goss is better,hands down

Just.. Just no.

 

[Froome19]

goss is better,hands down

Are you agreeing with Elp that Greipel and other sprinters cant sprint without raising their hands and elbowing etc.

 

[Hawkwood]

because cavendish is a WINNER

Finally corrected that one for you.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Finally corrected that one for you.

That he is a winner doesn't mean he isn't a whiner and a bit of an a-hole

 

[fatsprintking]

Goss and greenedge are looking to win stages in he Tour this year and he will go for the green jersey. He has had a slow build up this year compared to the early start he had in the past few years - he was tired after last season.

A second and first at the start of the giro would suggest he is on track. People should give him a chance before they judge his actual speed as he has been been on a team that has required him to take his chance in races that Cav can't win for the last couple of years, meaning he needed to keep his climbing form at the expense of pure speed. The world champs and the first two stages of this race show that he is thereabouts with top end speed.

Cav's acceleration is still on another level to everyone elses, as seen by how quickly he comes up in stage three. It will be interesting to see the greenedge tactics to counter this. They will obviously try a few things at the giro to test out options for the tour. It is interesting that Cav got lost early in stage three and that riders were looking for the wheel of Goss early due to greenedge having the best train - you might have a situation of Cav just trying to find Gossy's wheel and abandoning his own train. This will let him win stages at the giro but would actually be a win for greenedge coming onto the tour. One tour stage is worth maybe 4 giro stages to greenedge and sky I would think.

 

[El Pistolero]

That he is a winner doesn't mean he isn't a whiner and a bit of an a-hole

http://wielergek.blogspot.com/2012/05/giro-ditalia-2012-mark-cavendish-valt.html#more

 

[Hawkwood]

http://wielergek.blogspot.com/2012/05/giro-ditalia-2012-mark-cavendish-valt.html#more

Oh wow so our Mark Cavendish hasn't won lots of races? Is there another rider called Mark Cavendish who has? Surely some concidence?

 

[El Pistolero]

Oh wow so our Mark Cavendish hasn't won lots of races? Is there another rider called Mark Cavendish who has? Surely some concidence?

Not sure what you're talking about, but that blog was filled with sarcasm.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

@hawkwood What does that has to do with Cavendish falling and whining?

Your argument is invalid, because of this banana

 

[Hawkwood]

That he is a winner doesn't mean he isn't a whiner and a bit of an a-hole

Goes with the territory surely? I don't remember Maertens, Ras, Kelly, Cippolini or any other sprinters being that popular when they were at their prime. As an junior racer sprinters were not popular, I saw a few punch-ups after races in Merseyside, Twitter wasn't invented then, but if it had been...

 

[Hawkwood]

@hawkwood What does that has to do with Cavendish falling and whining?

Your argument is invalid, because of this banana

It's a plum surely!

 

[El Pistolero]

Goes with the territory surely? I don't remember Maertens, Ras, Kelly, Cippolini or any other sprinters being that popular when they were at their prime. As an junior racer sprinters were not popular, I saw a few punch-ups after races in Merseyside, Twitter wasn't invented then, but if it had been...

Kelly and Maertens were silent types. Don't get me wrong, they took no **** from anyone while on their bikes, but off their bikes they were very calm. Cavendish is pretty much the opposite of that.

Maertens was indeed not very popular in the peloton. All that started at the World Championships of 1973 at Montjuic though. Merckx' personal assistant even poisoned Freddy Maertens at the World Championships of 1974 because of what happened a year earlier. The result was: Merckx won and Maertens sucked. Although, those are the words of Freddy Maertens, decide for your self if it's true or not. He also had a rivalry with Roger de Vlaeminck because of what happened at the infamous Ronde van Vlaanderen of 1977.

 

[Havetts]

http://wielergek.blogspot.com/2012/05/giro-ditalia-2012-mark-cavendish-valt.html#more

Oh my, that is complete gold.