2012 Speculation (and confirmation) thread - rider schedules and parcours

[Reuell]

for the 5,043rd time on this forum - Uran wasn't told to wait. He chose to wait.

Even is that is true, it would be even worse
(Not saying I disbelieve you, just that the waiting on your teamleader is an easy decision, when everyone else stops and waits; i.e. group pressure or something)

 

[Reuell]

uran's itt has become very good. besides the giro will be for henao.

Still not good enough for the 2012 Tour.
And I look forward to Henao killing the mountains in Italy, but Uran could be there righ alongside him. Just like Froome is riding the Tour alongside Wiggins

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

uran isn't the type of rider to kill in the mountains. the tour or vuelta would suit him better. there will be only 1 or 2 man/men killing the mountains, rujano and duarte(if he starts) _O_

 

[theyoungest]

uran's itt has become very good.

And where exactly did he show this? The Colombian nationals or something?

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

the ttt in the tour. he didn't ride any other itt's that I can think of but clearly he improved a lot also his sprint has

 

[Reuell]

the ttt in the tour. he didn't ride any other itt's that I can think of but clearly he improved a lot also his sprint has

You keep claiming his TT has improved at Sky, yet his results don't show it:

2011
9 Vuelta a Andalucia / Ruta Del Sol, Stage 1 : Benahavis I.T.T.
37 Paris - Nice, Stage 6 : Rognes - Aix-en-Provence I.T.T.
48 Vuelta al Pais Vasco, Stage 6 : Zalla - Zalla I.T.T.
126 Critérium du Dauphiné, Prologue : Saint-Jean-de-Maurienne I.T.T.
18 Critérium du Dauphiné, Stage 3 : Grenoble - Grenoble I.T.T.
122 Tour de France, Stage 20 : Grenoble - Grenoble I.T.T.

Is not much better than:

2010
116 Giro d'Italia, Stage 1 : Amsterdam (Ned) I.T.T.
7 Giro d'Italia, Stage 16 : San Vigilio di Marebbe - Plan de Corones I.T.T. (Mountain Time Trial, so doesn't really count)
43 Giro d'Italia, Stage 21 : Verona I.T.T.
23 Tour de Suisse, Stage 1 : Lugano I.T.T.
28 Tour de Suisse, Stage 9 : Liestal - Liestal I.T.T.
148 Vuelta a España, Stage 17 : Peñafiel I.T.T.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

other then the dauphinee itt and the prologue of ruta del sol he didn't have anythign to go for in any of those itt's. in the final tour itt he was sick

his dauphinee itt eventhough he wasn't in topshape shows a lot how much he improved because he rode against very strong competition

 

[Gloin22]

other then the dauphinee itt and the prologue of ruta del sol he didn't have anythign to go for in any of those itt's. in the final tour itt he was sick

his dauphinee itt eventhough he wasn't in topshape shows a lot how much he improved because he rode against very strong competition

This.

In Paris - Nice and Pais Vasco he crashed early and was out of GC contention alotgether, there was no point for him riding TT very hard. Sam with tour, just was sick.

He rode very good TTT and Dauphine TT showed he improved as Ryo says. Tour's 100km TT doesnt disadvatange him that much.

 

[Anonymous]

It's a pity that riders who do the Giro and then plan to do the Vuelta this year have to do the Olympics ( arrive in top shape ) and then go to the Vuelta. It's the equivalent of doing the Giro, TDF and Vuelta.
Any idea TSF on what Uran, Froome, Wiggins and Portes', schedules are like for next year.
For me it would be;
Uran focusing on the Ardeens, then the TDF
Wiggins doing the same prep for the TDF as this year. He will then do the Olympics.
Froome might go to the Dauphinie as well to fine-tune/ see whether his standard is good enough.
I then hope Porte goes to the ToC, so he can win a ( GT ) jks. That will give him confidence, let him be away from other team leaders and see whether he has the goods to be a GC contender in future.

Uran TDF as Ryo said.. But will ride the Ardennes, possibly Cataluna etc.

Wiggins already confirmed for Algarve (with froome), Paris Nice, will then follow through to Dauphine, Tour, and then Olympics.

Froome will probably ride with Brad in 2012 ie Dauphine/Tour doing the Thomas role as Geraints season is pretty much done after the giro (although he may do the vuelta).

Portes primary aim will be gc's in smaller races, rather than grand tours. Algarve, Andalucia, Catalunya, Castilla y Leon, etc but nothing confirmed for Richie that I know about yet.

Eddy Boss, the usual, MSR, Tirreno, Cobbled Classics, Glava Tour of Norway, Bayern Rundfahrt, before the Dauphine and Tour de France.

Not sure that Sky are doing ATOC.. May is the one month of the year where they are doing different races to 2011

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

what will henao ride??

 

[jens_attacks]

yates said in an interview that they won't force henao in his first year and if he will ride a grand tour that will be vuelta.he also said that they planned huge things with him and it's long term investment.the interview is from november,did something change?

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

I haven't read that interview. where is it?? the guys 24 and a very polished rider already. they don't have to go easy on him. one thing they need to work on though are his heavy gears thet he started riding in recent 2 years in colombia that made his climbing worse

 

[jens_attacks]

I haven't read that interview. where is it?? the guys 24 and a very polished rider already. they don't have to go easy on him. one thing they need to work on though are his heavy gears thet he started riding in recent 2 years in colombia that made his climbing worse

i doubt it at first but i was proved this year wrong,sky has one of the best and modern medical,scientific programs in the sport.i'm sure henao impressed in the tests,sky means business with him and i certainly have faith in their choice.they know better than us.

the interview was gave exclusively by sean yates for eurosport romania(yes you've read it well)

http://translate.google.ro/translat...rosport.ro/cycling/storynews_sto3017611.shtml

 

[Anonymous]

I haven't read that interview. where is it?? the guys 24 and a very polished rider already. they don't have to go easy on him. one thing they need to work on though are his heavy gears thet he started riding in recent 2 years in colombia that made his climbing worse

aways been unlikely he would ride the giro.
At the moment the potential squad for the giro for Sky is nearly there.

Thomas (Definate)
Cavendish (95%)
Dowsett (Likely - on his schedule)
Appollonio (90%)
Lofkvist (Very Likely)
Sivtsov (Very Likely)

Only leaves 3 spots
I would think that Porte may be a good chice to go with Lofkvist and Sivtsov.. Dont know if Eisel will ride with Cav

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

they will need a guy able to do gc. only henao could

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Only Henao? You do recall this year's race, right?

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

who of sky rode a good gc then in the giro this year?

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Nobody. But I thought you might recall that Kanstantsin Siutsou made the top 10.

 

[theyoungest]

Nobody. But I thought you might recall that Kanstantsin Siutsou made the top 10.

With some free minutes from a breakaway though. I don't really consider Sivtsov a GC threat. Of course neither is Henao (for now).

 

[El Pistolero]

With some free minutes from a breakaway though. I don't really consider Sivtsov a GC threat. Of course neither is Henao (for now).

There's nothing holding Sivtsov back of going in a breakaway again next year. Top 10 is ok for a GT that is not your main goal. Plus they have CavCav for stage wins, so they're fine.

 

[greenedge]

Henao is too inexperienced to be thrown into the Giro for GC straight away. He would be good on the climbs though even on the Stelvio ( high altitude ) Sivtsov and Porte could make a good combo. Maybe send Hayman ( to do lead outs for Cav )

 

[greenedge]

Uran TDF as Ryo said.. But will ride the Ardennes, possibly Cataluna etc.

Froome will probably ride with Brad in 2012 ie Dauphine/Tour doing the Thomas role as Geraints season is pretty much done after the giro (although he may do the vuelta).

Portes primary aim will be gc's in smaller races, rather than grand tours. Algarve, Andalucia, Catalunya, Castilla y Leon, etc but nothing confirmed for Richie that I know about yet.Not sure that Sky are doing ATOC.. May is the one month of the year where they are doing different races to 2011

That sucks for Porte and Sky. Won't they send Swift and a few others to ToC though. So they might as well send Porte. What is the Thomas role? Because next year even though he is doing the Olympics his role will change to lead outs for Cav. He won't be able to go on breakaways like he did in this years TDF. And Geraint did not do much work for Wiggins ( though he might have had to if Wiggins had not crashed ).

 

[Anonymous]

Porte doing Paris Nice (along with Thomas and Wiggins), unlikely to do the giro.

He then is doing a similar schedule to Wiggins, Algarve (now looking a strong team, Wiggins, Froome, Ebh, Porte, Lofkvist), Catalunya, Dauphine

Porte has also said that he will be riding with Brads Tour Squad most of the season, which points to Froome and Lofkvist both being in with a shot of going to the Tour. Yates has already said that Froome will need to show the form he showed in the vuelta to have a chance of going, but interesting that Lofkvist is in the early season Algarve squad.

(ive no idea where i found out about Lofkvist doing the algarve, im appaling at keeping records. went to update eddy boss's contract renewal just before xmas and discovered i had already recorded it as happening in november..)

 

[maltiv]

Porte doing Paris Nice (along with Thomas and Wiggins), unlikely to do the giro.

He then is doing a similar schedule to Wiggins, Algarve (now looking a strong team, Wiggins, Froome, Ebh, Porte, Lofkvist), Catalunya, Dauphine

Porte has also said that he will be riding with Brads Tour Squad most of the season, which points to Froome and Lofkvist both being in with a shot of going to the Tour. Yates has already said that Froome will need to show the form he showed in the vuelta to have a chance of going, but interesting that Lofkvist is in the early season Algarve squad.

(ive no idea where i found out about Lofkvist doing the algarve, im appaling at keeping records. went to update eddy boss's contract renewal just before xmas and discovered i had already recorded it as happening in november..)

Quite weird that they're sending their A-squad to Algarve. I guess it's so that the TDF squad gets to do a couple of races together before the TDF with more or less the same team composition.

 

[greenedge]

Yeah but their team is practically the same with only Porte added. Though Lofkvist did focus on the Giro last year. Lofkvist also does better with Cav on his team ( for some reason ).

I'm surprised that Hesjedal is starting at the TDU. He is the only real GC contender for the Giro to do the TDU.

Goss is aiming to do quite a full season. TDU, Classics, Giro, TDF and Olympics. I hope he goes well and does not peak too much.