2012 Speculation (and confirmation) thread - rider schedules and parcours

[Dekker_Tifosi]

oh i thought it would be less then that to be honest. they should find a way to reduce it to around 5 or so k btw the second to last and the last climb.

is that possible in that area?

It's impossible to go from the Keutenberg to the Cauberg in 5km unless you geographically bulldozer the whole land closer

there is no other interesting climb close to the Cauberg. There are climbs, but none of them hard to even consider being an penultimate climb.

Plus you can';t finish on eyserbosweg or keutenberg because they are quiet areas and nothing like Valkenburg. It's fine as it is. Cauberg produces an honoust winner most of the time. And solo's or not impossible.
Vinokourov did it in 2003. F.Schleck in 2006. And smaller groups stayed away too. Boogerd/Rebellin in 2004. Gesink/Kroon/Ivanov in 2009. It's definately possible to stay away

 

[Libertine Seguros]

It's impossible to go from the Keutenberg to the Cauberg in 5km unless you geographically bulldozer the whole land closer

I wouldn't put this past you guys though. If there's one thing the Dutch are good at, it's doing crazy things to make more land.

 

[Thomsena]

. If there's one thing the Dutch are good at, it's doing crazy things to make more land.

Wouldn't quite solve it though, would it

 

[Arnout]

Castroviejo's schedule: San Luis, Paris-Nice, Tour de Med, GP Lugano y GP Suiza, Criterium Internacional y Sarthe. Then short stage races like Romandie, Switzerland, Eneco Tour, or Poland.

He is not scheduled to ride any GTs.

http://www.biciciclismo.com/cas/site/noticias-ficha.asp?id=46971

The team want him to improve his climbing enough to be able to target GC in races like those listed above.

That's surprising. He supposedly moved over to Movistar because he was not picked for the Tour by Euskaltel.

Oh well...

 

[greenedge]

Plus you can';t finish on eyserbosweg or keutenberg because they are quiet areas and nothing like Valkenburg. It's fine as it is. Cauberg produces an honoust winner most of the time. And solo's or not impossible.
Vinokourov did it in 2003. F.Schleck in 2006. And smaller groups stayed away too. Boogerd/Rebellin in 2004. Gesink/Kroon/Ivanov in 2009. It's definately possible to stay away

In my view 2003/09 were two of the best editions.

 

[roundabout]

Castroviejo's schedule: San Luis, Paris-Nice, Tour de Med, GP Lugano y GP Suiza, Criterium Internacional y Sarthe. Then short stage races like Romandie, Switzerland, Eneco Tour, or Poland.

He is not scheduled to ride any GTs.

http://www.biciciclismo.com/cas/site/noticias-ficha.asp?id=46971

The team want him to improve his climbing enough to be able to target GC in races like those listed above.

About time he starts riding grand tours though. Simply for the sake of development.

 

[Parrulo]

It's impossible to go from the Keutenberg to the Cauberg in 5km unless you geographically bulldozer the whole land closer

there is no other interesting climb close to the Cauberg. There are climbs, but none of them hard to even consider being an penultimate climb.

Plus you can';t finish on eyserbosweg or keutenberg because they are quiet areas and nothing like Valkenburg. It's fine as it is. Cauberg produces an honoust winner most of the time. And solo's or not impossible.
Vinokourov did it in 2003. F.Schleck in 2006. And smaller groups stayed away too. Boogerd/Rebellin in 2004. Gesink/Kroon/Ivanov in 2009. It's definately possible to stay away

oh well, its not the end of the world besides 9k is still better then the previous 11 or so k's and since in the last 2 years the attackers were caught at the cauberg this does increase their chances a little bit

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

oh well, its not the end of the world besides 9k is still better then the previous 11 or so k's and since in the last 2 years the attackers were caught at the cauberg this does increase their chances a little bit

they were only caught because Lotto, and Gilbert especially, where monstrously strong. In 2010 Gilbert even went chasing himself and still won. In 2011 they had vandenbroeck and vanendert who were really really good.

 

[Parrulo]

they were only caught because Lotto, and Gilbert especially, where monstrously strong. In 2010 Gilbert even went chasing himself and still won. In 2011 they had vandenbroeck and vanendert who were really really good.

and both times they were solo attacks, if a small group like in 2009 gets away even a super strong team or gilbert will have troubles catching them

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Wouldn't quite solve it though, would it

They could bulldoze some land from somewhere else and build a new hill between the Keutenberg and the Cauberg though.

 

[gerundium]

They could bulldoze some land from somewhere else and build a new hill between the Keutenberg and the Cauberg though.

how about a man-made alpe d'huez?

http://news.discovery.com/earth/man-made-mountain-netherlands-110821.html

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

how about a man-made alpe d'huez?

http://news.discovery.com/earth/man-made-mountain-netherlands-110821.html

was about to post this

we dutch are visonaries

 

[Bavarianrider]

Except for Klöden, Eavns and Contador, i really can't see anyone beating Tony Martin in this year's Paris Nice

 

[LaFlorecita]

how about a man-made alpe d'huez?

http://news.discovery.com/earth/man-made-mountain-netherlands-110821.html

This is just so stupid.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Except for Klöden, Eavns and Contador, i really can't see anyone beating Tony Martin in this year's Paris Nice

And Contador won't even be there.

 

[auscyclefan94]

Nor will Evans...Tirreno is again going to be awesome!

 

[El Pistolero]

they were only caught because Lotto, and Gilbert especially, where monstrously strong. In 2010 Gilbert even went chasing himself and still won. In 2011 they had vandenbroeck and vanendert who were really really good.

Gilbert chased from 9km to go already in 2011

 

[LaFlorecita]

Nor will Evans...Tirreno is again going to be awesome!

Now just Klöden somewhere else and there's no way Bavarian's man won't win. (according to him.)

 

[El Pistolero]

It's impossible to go from the Keutenberg to the Cauberg in 5km unless you geographically bulldozer the whole land closer

there is no other interesting climb close to the Cauberg. There are climbs, but none of them hard to even consider being an penultimate climb.

Plus you can';t finish on eyserbosweg or keutenberg because they are quiet areas and nothing like Valkenburg. It's fine as it is. Cauberg produces an honoust winner most of the time. And solo's or not impossible.
Vinokourov did it in 2003. F.Schleck in 2006. And smaller groups stayed away too. Boogerd/Rebellin in 2004. Gesink/Kroon/Ivanov in 2009. It's definately possible to stay away

Vinokourov only won in 2003 because Armstrong chased every move of Boogerd and disrupted the chase

 

[The Hitch]

Nor will Evans...Tirreno is again going to be awesome!

Contador won't be there either. but Evans vs scarponi should be good.

 

[El Pistolero]

Now just Klöden somewhere else and there's no way Bavarian's man won't win. (according to him.)

A guy called Valverde will whipe the floor with Martin in Mende and the uphill time trial.

 

[Bavarianrider]

A guy called Valverde will whipe the floor with Martin in Mende and the uphill time trial.

No way Valverde can beat Tony in the Col d'Eze TT. (Asuming Tony shows up in last years condition)

 

[Parrulo]

A guy called Valverde will whipe the floor with Martin in Mende and the uphill time trial.

ty for saving me the job of posting that. and even if he doesn't beat martin on the uphill tt he will put minutes into martin in mende so who cares any1. martin has no chance in hell to beat valverde on this years P-N

 

[Havetts]

No way you lose minutes to Valverde on Mende. If Tony loses more than 30 seconds I'd be surprised..

 

[Parrulo]

No way you lose minutes to Valverde on Mende. If Tony loses more than 30 seconds I'd be surprised..

hmmm are we talking about the same mende as the one in the 2010 tour?

ofc he can lose well more then a minute to piti on that climb.