2012 Tirreno-Adriatico Stage 7:San Benedetto del Tronto: 9,3 km ITT

[cineteq]

Umm. You posted the General Classification not the tt results.
How is youngest trolling? What are you talking about?

I did post the GC. If you don't know how to read stats, find somebody else to explain it to you, perhaps read the results and analyze them?

 

[skidmark]

He said that his legs were really bad today, he wasn't able to hold certain speed and also that he didn't get to the ideal position, he was stiff and couldn't loosen himslef.

Bus still, he is 3rd overall in his first stage race of the season so why so much criticism? He finished ahead of Rodriguez, Scaroponi, Velits and many more, I don't think it is bad result. Yes, he had one bad day, but like I said, it is his first stage race of the season, he can have one bad day..

I think that with a certain amount of overhype comes an equivalent amount of criticism. Kreuziger is, of course, quite a good rider, top 10 in Tour and Giro is nothing to sneeze at, nor is a win in TDS, Romandie, and several high placings in prestigious races like P-N and T-A (an 4th in LBL, etc). But since he's been such a touted talent since he was a junior, if he doesn't do more than hold onto wheels and show upper, but not top-tier results, he's going to get ragged on.

That's my take, at least.

 

[The Hitch]

I can read results.

So can youngest, he explained why Hoogerland did well.

Its this comment that makes no sense.

In other words, you're saying Rodriguez is always good at TTing LOL

And accusing him of trolling is ridiculous.

 

[hrotha]

I did post the GC. If you don't know how to read stats, find somebody else to explain it to you, perhaps read the results and analyze them?

I'm afraid nobody knows what the hell you're talking about, mate, but it sounds like you don't even know what "trolling" means.

 

[webvan]

I think that with a certain amount of overhype comes an equivalent amount of criticism. Kreuziger is, of course, quite a good rider, top 10 in Tour and Giro is nothing to sneeze at, nor is a win in TDS, Romandie, and several high placings in prestigious races like P-N and T-A (an 4th in LBL, etc). But since he's been such a touted talent since he was a junior, if he doesn't do more than hold onto wheels and show upper, but not top-tier results, he's going to get ragged on.

That's my take, at least.

Very well put, he's certainly one if the riders who's been hyped the most these past few years and now he really needs to up his game.

 

[cineteq]

I'm afraid nobody knows what the hell you're talking about, mate, but it sounds like you don't even know what "trolling" means.

I'm afraid I'm entitled to my opinion. If you don't understand, you can do your own research and figure things out, right?

 

[cineteq]

I can read results.
So can youngest, he explained why Hoogerland did well.
Its this comment that makes no sense.
And accusing him of trolling is ridiculous.

Yeah because it's so common to see Hoogerland finishing top 10 in GC at a stage race. Hitch let the guy speak for himself, I don't think he needs 'superheros' like you to defend himself.

 

[hrotha]

I'm afraid I'm entitled to my opinion. If you don't understand, you can do your own research and figure things out, right?

Well sure, but if no one knows what you mean, maybe you could entertain the possibility that you're not making any sense?

 

[cineteq]

Well sure, but if no one knows what you mean, maybe you could entertain the possibility that you're not making any sense?

That's better, more like a dialog. Yes I have already answered The Hitch re: Hoogie. JRod to be honest I didn't expect him to be at all in the top 10, especially after Chieti.

No hard feelings.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Yeah it's totally impossible for Hoogerland to finish top 5 in the Tirreno when a few years ago he was already 12th in a GT for crying out loud (the Vuelta)

Not to mention Hoogerland was already 3rd in Tour de Mediterraneen in 2010 (with a 4th place on top of the Mont Faron). 5th in the Tour of Britian, 12th in the Giro dell Emilia (we all know how hard an hilly that race is) and 5th in the Giro di Lombardia 2009.

It was only a matter of time before he'd finish top 10 in the Tirreno really...
It seems some people have forgotten Hoogerland has actual climbing and hilly capabilities besides his crazy attacking

 

[cineteq]

Yeah it's totally impossible for Hoogerland to finish top 5 in the Tirreno when a few years ago he was already 12th in a GT for crying out loud (the Vuelta)

Wow, so I'm not in your 'ignore' list after all? What an honor!
I wish you can talk about Nibali winning La vuelta 2010, for crying out loud, with the same passion.

Not to mention Hoogerland was already 3rd in Tour de Mediterraneen in 2010 (with a 4th place on top of the Mont Faron). 5th in the Tour of Britian, 12th in the Giro dell Emilia (we all know how hard an hilly that race is) and 5th in the Giro di Lombardia 2009.

Point well taken, but those races are not major stage races, sorry.
I guess Hoogerland is more than the guy who was run over by a car in last year's Tour.

 

[BillytheKid]

did purito really say that? could you provide a source please (if it's spanish it cool because i also know spanish)

impressive as nibali isn't exactly the most explosive rider of the peloton.

one thing is for sure and we got to give nibali credit for that, he said that he came to this race with more race days then his opponents so he was probably in better shape. good to see he is keeping his head cool and not getting cocky

Sounds like a pull from my earlier post. Chris was interviewed after stage 6 by Gazzeta. The interview link on SteepHill is dead. He basically talked about how his tactics where gear towards not getting popped by Krueziger and others in the group on the Prata di Tivo. He also was very respectful of Nibali and complimented him on his fast finish on Stage 6.

If you look at the finish of Stage 5 in the last K, Nibali's lead went from 30 seconds down to 10 minus the bonus. Horner and Krueziger were closing fast.
Another 300 meters and they would have caught him and possibly dropped him. I can only conclude that Horner made a mistake in not chasing sooner.

The strongest man did win if strength is also measured in tactics. Nibali made a great attack on the Prata di Tivo and was simply the strongest in the ITT of the top three. That adds up to a great victory.

My analysis of Horner's race in no way a strike at Nibali. Even if Horner had picked up the chase sooner as I speculated, he would would have had to win the stage with Nibali third in a three up sprint to overcome today's powerful performance of Nibali.

Proof of Horner's lack of confidence because concerns over the embolism in his lung that could kill him after his crash at the TdF last year:

http://velonews.competitor.com/2012...cally-i-think-we-rode-a-brilliant-race_209255

 

[mb2612]

Sounds like a pull from my earlier post. Chris was interviewed after stage 6 by Gazzeta. The interview link on SteepHill is dead. He basically talked about how his tactics where gear towards not getting popped by Krueziger and others in the group on the Prata di Tivo. He also was very respectful of Nibali and complimented him on his fast finish on Stage 6.

If you look at the finish of Stage 5 in the last K, Nibali's lead went from 30 seconds down to 10 minus the bonus. Horner and Krueziger were closing fast.
Another 300 meters and they would have caught him and possibly dropped him. I can only conclude that Horner made a mistake in not chasing sooner.

The strongest man did win if strength is also measured in tactics. Nibali made a great attack on the Prata di Tivo and was simply the strongest in the ITT of the top three. That adds up to a great victory.

My analysis of Horner's race in no way a strike at Nibali. Even if Horner had picked up the chase sooner as I speculated, he would would have had to win the stage with Nibali third in a three up sprint to overcome today's powerful performance of Nibali.

Proof of Horner's lack of confidence because concerns over the embolism in his lung that could kill him after his crash at the TdF last year:

http://velonews.competitor.com/2012...cally-i-think-we-rode-a-brilliant-race_209255

Every solo attack up a mountain ever gets closed down by 10 seconds in the last kilometre, if the chasers have been watching each other, as they always have more energy for a sprint, and the group will have a couple of guys who go early.

And it was 10 seconds, from 26 --> 16.

 

[Flamin]

did purito really say that? could you provide a source please (if it's spanish it cool because i also know spanish)

impressive as nibali isn't exactly the most explosive rider of the peloton.

one thing is for sure and we got to give nibali credit for that, he said that he came to this race with more race days then his opponents so he was probably in better shape. good to see he is keeping his head cool and not getting cocky

Here you go

 

[theyoungest]

Here you go

Rodriguez himself wasn't really that strong on that day, so I don't know if Horner and Kreuziger thought Nibali's attack was hallucinant.

 

[Flamin]

Rodriguez himself wasn't really that strong on that day, so I don't know if Horner and Kreuziger thought Nibali's attack was hallucinant.

Maybe, maybe not. Fact is both had no answer at all and it definetely looked like a very strong attack on TV too.

 

[greenedge]

Congrats to Nibali and the rest of the podium, though Kreuziger disappointed me. Great ride by Fabian.

 

[BillytheKid]

Every solo attack up a mountain ever gets closed down by 10 seconds in the last kilometre, if the chasers have been watching each other, as they always have more energy for a sprint, and the group will have a couple of guys who go early.

And it was 10 seconds, from 26 --> 16.

Horner began the chase at the K. It wasn't a massive jump, because he doesn't have much of one. He was even talking to Krueziger as they picked it up. At that point, according the Universal Sports feed, the gap to Nibali was 30 seconds. That's how I base the math.

In hind sight everything's more 20-20. Most of what I've said relies on the Gazzetta interview after Stage 6 to which the link is dead on SteepHill. So whatever...I heard an interview in which Horner flatly stated he made the decision to cede some seconds to Nibali because he felt RK to be the bigger threat in the ITT. When the group's that size, you can't watch everyone so in retrospect he should have been watching Nibali.

There are countless ways to unwind a race. Of the top three, Horner has the least in the way of a sprint so when bonus seconds come into play it would make sense that he played it to his weakness rather than his strength.

Like I said, I don't think it would have mattered anyway. Nibali was impressive in the ITT. That was a big gap over such a short distance.

 

[TourOfSardinia]

did purito really say that? could you provide a source please (if it's spanish it cool because i also know spanish)
getting cocky

alucianante - probably means eye-opening/surprising
and not hallucinating.

 

[theyoungest]

alucianante - probably means eye-opening/surprising
and not hallucinating.

In the interview it says "alucinante", i.e. hallucinatory.

 

[TourOfSardinia]

In the interview it says "alucinante", i.e. hallucinatory.

was he speaking italian or spanish?
In Italian there is a double L

The adjective:
allucinante in italian commonly means incredible or amazing

Only the verb (not the adjective):
allucinare translates to
hallucinate; dazzle; illude; terrify, scare

 

[hrotha]

was he speaking italian or spanish?
In Italian there is a double L

The adjective:
allucinante in italian commonly means incredible or amazing

Only the verb (not the adjective):
allucinare translates to
hallucinate; dazzle; illude; terrify, scare

It's the same in Spanish.