2012 Tour of California May 18 stage 6: Palmdale - Big Bear 186.3 km

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Is the tour of california really that bad? Just look at the stage profiles, understand what it is and enjoy the show. So what attacks of strength are near impossible and pointless heading to big bear lake. But why not focus on what a fantasitc effort it was by Georges today. Was there no excitement in anyone else at the prospect he may get caught? He only held 30 second about 600m by the end after 180 something kilometres away, and all the comments after refer to how boring the stage was.
The hype the race gets is irritating I know, but ignore it and enjoy the Sagan show, enjoy the scenery, the tarmac and mute the commentary. Don't bother arguing with anyone who thinks this is the 2nd best race of the year or 4th GT, or light years ahead of anything.
It is a prep race, which will come down to a TT and any MTFs included, most days will see domestic breakaway riders, caught by WT teams in the end and a reduced bunch sprint.
 
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Where is the egg on my face emoitcon when I need one. I'm actually really disappointed Kittel is out, like I wanted to see how Sagan TTs and climbs against real specialists I was also interested in his sprint. I know last year he typically wasn't quite there, but he's stronger this year. Definitely between Boonen and Sagan, is there a domestique sprinter of note?
 
Don Johnson said:
Like Tupac Shakur, Dr. Dre, Snoop Dog, Charles Wallace said 'California knows how to party.'
L.A. that place is BIG FUN, the kind Anquetil would have loved.

Being from California, I see the Amgen Tour of California as a celebration, and a reason to party.

Why not enjoy it for what it is? Jauque 'Sex, Lies, and Handlebar Tape, Anquetil, would have loved it.

I will bet you Coppi and Bartali would have too.

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yetanothergreenworld said:
Did you see him do the "call me" sign to one of the podium girls? Classic.

That was hilarious! The whole podium presentation was great.

Really enjoyed the last half hour of racing. Brilliant stuff.
 
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Don Johnson said:
Like Tupac Shakur, Dr. Dre, Snoop Dog, Charles Wallace said 'California knows how to party.'

Lot of nice bikes here, not so many great riders.

But like Phil and Paul said, Los Angeles is only 40 miles from Big Bear Lake.

L.A. that place is BIG FUN, the kind Anquetil would have loved.

Being from California, I see the Amgen Tour of California as a celebration, and a reason to party.

Why not enjoy it for what it is? Jauque 'Sex, Lies, and Handlebar Tape, Anquetil, would have loved it.

I will bet you Coppi and Bartali would have too.

Visiting California and racing in its snoozefest of a bike race are two entirely different propositions. I'm sure he's quite friendly towards the idea of a holiday there, but to say he regrets never having raced there is a completely different and utterly baseless statement. It's a rubbish race, it could be a lot better. I think for a lot of fans, the amount of hype it gets actually makes it seem worse than it is. Far fewer people get upset when the Tour de Picardie has boring sprint stages because it doesn't pretend to be something that it's not. All the sycophantic cheerleading for California drags it down so much.
 
Jun 1, 2011
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Great ride by Georges. Smart to keep it going because the stage today was made tranquil by the coming of tomorrow's stage.

I will say that it might work better in a short stage-race to split up the two mountain stages. It would be better if this were the final stage or it came after Mt. Baldy. There would be more attacking, broken groups...better racing.

But don't tell that to the PR guy posting here. :D
 
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Yeah, putting the Baldy stage before this one (possibly even before the time trial) would certainly have made for more interesting racing. The climbers aren't going to pass up an opportunity on Baldy since that is a climb they know can create some significant time gaps. Having Big Bear as the penultimate stage would have provided one last chance for GC contenders to throw down all their cards in a desparate attempt to grab the win or perhaps a podium place, with no need to worry about holding something in reserve for the parade around LA.
 
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Califootman said:
Yeah, putting the Baldy stage before this one (possibly even before the time trial) would certainly have made for more interesting racing. The climbers aren't going to pass up an opportunity on Baldy since that is a climb they know can create some significant time gaps. Having Big Bear as the penultimate stage would have provided one last chance for GC contenders to throw down all their cards in a desparate attempt to grab the win or perhaps a podium place, with no need to worry about holding something in reserve for the parade around LA.

The Public Relations man should be taking notes on that.
 
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Now that's the sort of finishes I love! :D Guy was completely blasted, I'm not even sure he could have went faster if the bunch had been about to catch him.
 
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Libertine Seguros said:
Ironically, because this stage was so un-selective, they have made this race only about a HC climb. There are lots of ways to make a stage selective. We're not saying it has to be an HC MTF, we're saying it has to provide some kind of opportunity for gaps to be created so that racing can occur.


Except this would mean it would just be like 2010. Where several people tried to attack from the pack, but they COULDN'T because of the easy gradients and the un-selective nature meaning several teams had multiple domestiques to pull people back (Tony Martin in particular was spectacular that day). It was a bit more exciting than today's snoozer, but not much.


The director is at fault for choosing a terrible script though.

This is not a perfect stage for a spectacular race. The landscape is good, but this has not been a spectacular race. However, this stage was a perfect stage for the 2012 Amgen Tour of California - looks like it could be quite good on paper, but toothless in practice. This one's on both the actors AND the director.

If a race is challenged, ridden hard and in the end there's a sprint of a 30 man group, there is nothing wrong about this. That's the way cycling is. If you excpect high mountain action on a road like this it's only your fault. you'll get that tomorrow. Today was more of a classic type of stage. If riders chose to go easy. Well than that's there decision. Disapointing for the spectators but not the organisators fault.
This route is perfectly balanced.
-A tough mountain finish
- A TT
- A classic type of stage
- 3 stages with medium mountains (none of them was a pure bunch sprint, riders could have used it better though)
- A classical sprinter stage
- A criterium to finish the race.

Every type of rider has a chnce to shine at least once during this race. I really can't understand what more you want. If you want 7 day clmb fests, than you have to go to a different tour. As simple as that.
 
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cali was just a cyclo-tourist ride this year until today,worst race of the year so far.

again,cali is beautiful but i don't watch a race just for the superb images and the tarmac,i also want a little bit of entertainment
hopefully tonight papy horner and duarte will light it up on mt baldy.
 
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Anquetil would have been great here. He could do what Zabriskie does in the ITT ( own ) then actually go well on MT Baldy.
 
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The only way to win that stage for anybody not named Sagan was through getting into the early break and praying....................a lot.
Chapeau St Georges: made the final 20 odd kms worth watching.
Without him? Doesn't bare contemplating.
Stage 13 of the Giro, but in slow motion, the only other possible scenario.
 

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Bavarianrider said:
If a race is challenged, ridden hard and in the end there's a sprint of a 30 man group, there is nothing wrong about this. That's the way cycling is. If you excpect high mountain action on a road like this it's only your fault. you'll get that tomorrow. Today was more of a classic type of stage. If riders chose to go easy. Well than that's there decision. Disapointing for the spectators but not the organisators fault.
This route is perfectly balanced.
-A tough mountain finish
- A TT
- A classic type of stage
- 3 stages with medium mountains (none of them was a pure bunch sprint, riders could have used it better though)
- A classical sprinter stage
- A criterium to finish the race.

Every type of rider has a chnce to shine at least once during this race. I really can't understand what more you want. If you want 7 day clmb fests, than you have to go to a different tour. As simple as that.

I have to agree. It is a very tough course. Today will be a tough stage. The riders cannot go full blown everyday. This is not the TdF. This is not July. The Amgen, I believe it is an honest race.

Please remember this race started in 2006. This race is in the USA. This race is in a growth stage. Enjoy it for it's good points.
 
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Bavarianrider said:
If a race is challenged, ridden hard and in the end there's a sprint of a 30 man group, there is nothing wrong about this. That's the way cycling is. If you excpect high mountain action on a road like this it's only your fault. you'll get that tomorrow. Today was more of a classic type of stage. If riders chose to go easy. Well than that's there decision. Disapointing for the spectators but not the organisators fault.
This route is perfectly balanced.
-A tough mountain finish
- A TT
- A classic type of stage
- 3 stages with medium mountains (none of them was a pure bunch sprint, riders could have used it better though)
- A classical sprinter stage
- A criterium to finish the race.

Every type of rider has a chnce to shine at least once during this race. I really can't understand what more you want. If you want 7 day clmb fests, than you have to go to a different tour. As simple as that.
Sorry, what? Where's "a classic type of stage"? What classic have you ever seen where they climb at 3% for an eternity then have a sprint? The nearest thing to yesterday's stage I can think of is the Gasteiz stage of the Vuelta last year, only then at least the climbs were steep enough to make attacking a possibility, even if they were foolhardy. Urkiola > Big Bear by so much it isn't even funny.

All of the first 4 stages were more or less the same, to varying degrees. Nobody complains when the Tour of Picardie has boring flat stages because with the exception of Laon they don't really have much in the way of non-flat places to finish. California could be so much more. The 2011 edition was a pretty decent race. This year looks like repeating all the mistakes of the terrible 2010 edition, only worse, because in 2010 Bonny Doon was close enough to the finish for people to attack on. Big Bear is far too easy for anybody to make big gaps on, but too hard for people to have the reserves to ping off the front and give us that pinball racing we like. The first four stages gave platforms for attacking, but none that were convincing enough.

It's also a problem of the field they draw - a combination of weak national squads, and WT teams so strong they can pull the bunch together very easily. This race has been little different to the 2009 Tour of Britain, when Columbia pulled every stage together and Boasson Hagen won about five stages in a row.

As jens says, maybe the parcours is good at showing off the scenery of California - there's plenty of that to look at. But something needs to be done about the racing, because at the moment it's a Tourist video interrupted by some people on bikes. Great promotion for California, horrible promotion for cycling.

I don't really understand why they
a) didn't learn from 2010, and insisted on going to Big Bear again, on an easier stage this time; and
b) didn't learn from 2011, and didn't do the Sierra Road climb or the other things that, you know, were GOOD last year.

Despite my reputation, I don't JUST want to see climbing. But I DO want to see racing, and the Tour of California is providing precisely none of that. Part of that is the fault of Radioshack, Garmin and Liquigas, but to say that none of it is the fault of Andrew Messick and his band of merry self-promoters is a blatant revisionist lie.
 
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Don Johnson said:
I have to agree. It is a very tough course. Today will be a tough stage. The riders cannot go full blown everyday. This is not the TdF. This is not July. The Amgen, I believe it is an honest race.

Please remember this race started in 2006. This race is in the USA. This race is in a growth stage. Enjoy it for it's good points.

There are lots of days where the riders sit in and do nothing in the Tour de France too.

Tough course ≠ good course. Big Bear 2010 is living proof of that.

They're in a tough spot in that they can't make it too tough or they risk not attracting the people they want (as those people are in preparation mode, or on the comedown after the Classics), but there's so much good terrain in California it's almost implausible how repetitive and tedious they've made it.

The suggestion of using Mount Baldy BEFORE Big Bear is a great one. You don't even need to change the stages that they've used! Big Bear in this year's race is just a group ride up a gradual climb to test the legs. But put Mount Baldy first, and then there's time to make up, people HAVE to attack. You can't just have the group ride. It wouldn't take that much effort to sort things out. The Santa Cruz stage could have been re-arranged to look more like the older stages to Bonny Doon and make that more decisive, easier to justify attacks and harder for Liquigas to pull it all back together for Sagan. Perhaps one of the repetitive medium-mountain-but-no-mountain-near-enough-the-finish-to-make-anything-but-a-reduced-sprint-likely stages could have been made into a pure flat stage, to give the likes of Kittel something to be here for, and maybe prise a decent flat sprinter or two from the Giro.