2012 Vuelta. The Return of the King.

[LaFlorecita]

Don't worry. 2013 TdF Alberto will take back what is rightfully his. Poor little Andy doesn't realize it yet, and never will, but he already passed the high point of his career. Being awarded the 2010 TdF. Hahah

... I'm not going to argue anymore.

 

[airstream]

...because Andy is going to go on a consecutive string of dominating performances?

yes, indeed. as one of the reasons it works too. andy will gain experience of solo attacks in the tour and get irresistible. cycling comes in the golden age, i feel it

 

[Parrulo]

yes, indeed. as one of the reasons it works too. andy will gain experience of solo attacks in the tour and get irresistible. cycling comes in the golden age, i feel it

if there is one thing andy is famous for, it's his fantastic attacks soloing to a stage win he has never done it before why would he all of the sudden start doing it now?

also golden age of cycling just because of andy schleck? could you be any more pathetic?

 

[El Pistolero]

Feel what? How Andy wins nothing again this season and Contador the Vuelta and other races? Golden age indeed. Though I have to inform you that the Vuelta doesn't use a Golden jersey anymore, they switched to red.

 

[airstream]

if there is one thing andy is famous for, it's his fantastic attacks soloing to a stage win he has never done it before why would he all of the sudden start doing it now?

also golden age of cycling just because of andy schleck? could you be any more pathetic?

well, a successful solo attack in the tour is a very difficult task actually. in my view, it's the hardest thing in cycling in general because of very high average speed and ultraboundary climbers' level. even contador has only 2 resultative attempts, verbier and arcalis, thus andy has something to work on in this regard. but he will be able.

hm, what pathetic can be in one's preferences?

 

[Libertine Seguros]

well, a successful solo attack in the tour is a very difficult task actually. in my view, it's the hardest thing in cycling in general because of very high average speed and ultraboundary climbers' level. even contador has only 2 resultative attempts, verbier and arcalis, thus andy has something to work on in this regard. but he will be able.

hm, what pathetic can be in one's preferences?

Andy has one great attack, borne of last minute panic because he completely ballsed up his opportunities to that point by doing the traditional Andy Schleck attack, which kind of resembles a rider pushing the pace on in a scratch race, coming to the front, but not wanting to commit too hard, so hammering it for a few pedal strokes, then looking over your shoulder and swinging to the side.

 

[The Hitch]

Andy has one great attack, borne of last minute panic because he completely ballsed up his opportunities to that point by doing the traditional Andy Schleck attack, which kind of resembles a rider pushing the pace on in a scratch race, coming to the front, but not wanting to commit too hard, so hammering it for a few pedal strokes, then looking over your shoulder and swinging to the side.

Then boasting that he was the only person in the race to attack and that everyone else looks to him to do so.

 

[airstream]

Then boasting that he was the only person in the race to attack and that everyone else looks to him to do so.

regarding high mountain stages, iow, the stages suited to him, it was so. we have the only stage to criticize him harshly - plateau de beille. but what if he really wasn't good enough? its a standard practice when they see there's no gap after a 150-200m pull and give up. though, i for myself don't believe he couldn't. frank just ordered not to attack.

 

[Angliru]

Andy has one great attack, borne of last minute panic because he completely ballsed up his opportunities to that point by doing the traditional Andy Schleck attack, which kind of resembles a rider pushing the pace on in a scratch race, coming to the front, but not wanting to commit too hard, so hammering it for a few pedal strokes, then looking over your shoulder and swinging to the side.

...or a starved circus bear riding a bicycle backwards.

 

[Angliru]

regarding high mountain stages, iow, the stages suited to him, it was so. we have the only stage to criticize him harshly - plateau de beille. but what if he really wasn't good enough? its a standard practice when they see there's no gap after a 150-200m pull and give up. though, i for myself don't believe he couldn't. frank just ordered not to attack.

LOL!! Yeah right.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

regarding high mountain stages, iow, the stages suited to him, it was so. we have the only stage to criticize him harshly - plateau de beille. but what if he really wasn't good enough? its a standard practice when they see there's no gap after a 150-200m pull and give up. though, i for myself don't believe he couldn't. frank just ordered not to attack.

But Andy was creating gaps, and then giving up because Fränk wasn't coming. Why would Fränk order Andy not to attack unless Fränk is a total tactical imbecile?

Also, what's his excuse on Luz Ardiden? Fränk only went up the road with about 2,5km to go. And Fränk didn't look over his shoulder to see if Andy was coming either.

 

[airstream]

But Andy was creating gaps, and then giving up because Fränk wasn't coming. Why would Fränk order Andy not to attack unless Fränk is a total tactical imbecile?

Also, what's his excuse on Luz Ardiden? Fränk only went up the road with about 2,5km to go. And Fränk didn't look over his shoulder to see if Andy was coming either.

Difficult question. To me, Plateau de Beille stage is the biggest cycing phantom, surpassing by inexplicability 2006 Morzine and Galibier. Most likely they really were so naive that hoped to take 1-2 places or to win the race for Frank, even donating the stage with hardest MTF. Andy is an absolutely driven person in relation to the brother. Sadly, media didn't pay proper attention to that stage. At least, I found nothing except for stupid complaintment about insufficient steepness of the climb.

Almost definetely he wasn't good enough on Luz-Ardiden or Contador's magic had a weird paralyzing power over him. Though, it was a strong stage from tactical viewpoint.

 

[The Hitch]

regarding high mountain stages, iow, the stages suited to him, it was so. we have the only stage to criticize him harshly - plateau de beille. but what if he really wasn't good enough? its a standard practice when they see there's no gap after a 150-200m pull and give up. though, i for myself don't believe he couldn't. frank just ordered not to attack.

Samu attacked. 4 times in the hight mountain stages.
Vanendert attacked.
Contador attacked.
Rolland kind of attacked.

But no Schleck says "everyone looks to us to attack".

Pathetic.

 

[airstream]

Samu attacked. 4 times in the hight mountain stages.
Vanendert attacked.
Contador attacked.
Rolland kind of attacked.

But no Schleck says "everyone looks to us to attack".

Pathetic.

These guys attacked autonomously in sort of torn off story. If he had tried to go off with Samu or VanEndert, nobody would of let them go. Hence ideally Andy needed someone from the favorites to cooperate with and gain time over the others.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

These guys attacked autonomously in sort of torn off story. If he had tried to go off with Samu or VanEndert, nobody would of let them go. Hence ideally Andy needed someone from the favorites to cooperate with and gain time over the others.

The idea is not to be "let go". Does Alberto Contador attacking 90km out from Alpe d'Huez not count? Was Contador looking to Schleck to attack? What about when Samu and Contador went into Gap and Evans went along for the ride and they put that time into the others. Was Evans not a favourite? Was that a sort of torn-off story?

Also, Andy's quote did not specify that. Andy's quote was that everybody looks to him to attack. Which is patently not true. Those without so much to lose don't look at Andy, they attack themselves, because they need to gap Andy. And frequently they do, because he's too busy writing in his diary about how nobody understands him except his big brother, but he can't get there fast enough because he's weighed down by all the excess coins that he used to send to that nice Dr Fuentes in Spain in exchange for being told to lay off the cupcakes during races, say his prayers and eat his vitamins like Hulk Hogan told him to.

 

[airstream]

The idea is not to be "let go". Does Alberto Contador attacking 90km out from Alpe d'Huez not count? Was Contador looking to Schleck to attack? What about when Samu and Contador went into Gap and Evans went along for the ride and they put that time into the others. Was Evans not a favourite? Was that a sort of torn-off story?

Also, Andy's quote did not specify that. Andy's quote was that everybody looks to him to attack. Which is patently not true. Those without so much to lose don't look at Andy, they attack themselves, because they need to gap Andy. And frequently they do, because he's too busy writing in his diary about how nobody understands him except his big brother, but he can't get there fast enough because he's weighed down by all the excess coins that he used to send to that nice Dr Fuentes in Spain in exchange for being told to lay off the cupcakes during races, say his prayers and eat his vitamins like Hulk Hogan told him to.

In fact, you're right. Any attack counts. But we are saying about fight for MJ and to attack being labeled GC rider is much harder by virtue of a higher risk and a bigger resistance. For this reason Schleck's Galibier and Contador's Alpe-d'Huez are not equal for me. Of course, not. The Gap stage was the only real open battle which the Schlecks completely failed it.

Yes, Andy provides a lot of stuff to pin on him.

 

[LaFlorecita]

In fact, you're right. Any attack counts. But we are saying about fight for MJ and to attack being labeled GC rider is much harder by virtue of a higher risk and a bigger resistance. For this reason Schleck's Galibier and Contador's Alpe-d'Huez are not equal for me. Of course, not. The Gap stage was the only real open battle which the Schlecks completely failed it.

Yes, Andy provides a lot of stuff to pin on him.

Andy was as much as a GC contender just before the galibier stage as Contador was before Alpe d'Huez.

Why is this thread place for a discussion about Andy. Again.

This is the thread for excited anticipation of the Vuelta where Alberto is going to show his awesomeness yet again and make sure that at least I will never forget about him.

 

[airstream]

Andy was as much as a GC contender just before the galibier stage as Contador was before Alpe d'Huez.

Why is this thread place for a discussion about Andy. Again.

This is the thread for excited anticipation of the Vuelta where Alberto is going to show his awesomeness yet again and make sure that at least I will never forget about him.

No. Contador wasn't a contender for MJ before Alpe-d'Huez stage and was far more relaxed, unlike Andy the day before. If Contador had lain across the road and lost say 5 minutes comparatively to the others, nobody would have dared criticize him.

Any Schleck and Contador threads usually modify the topic this way so it's classics. Additionally, you yourself are a record holder by the number of hijacked threads.

 

[Red Rick]

Schleck shouldn't even watch the 2012 vuelta, maybe it's a good idea to make it 16+, because of extreme violence. Schleck will have nightmare's if he watches, and a trauma if he competes

 

[The Hitch]

The idea is not to be "let go". Does Alberto Contador attacking 90km out from Alpe d'Huez not count? Was Contador looking to Schleck to attack? What about when Samu and Contador went into Gap and Evans went along for the ride and they put that time into the others. Was Evans not a favourite? Was that a sort of torn-off story?

Also, Andy's quote did not specify that. Andy's quote was that everybody looks to him to attack. Which is patently not true. Those without so much to lose don't look at Andy, they attack themselves, because they need to gap Andy. And frequently they do, because he's too busy writing in his diary about how nobody understands him except his big brother, but he can't get there fast enough because he's weighed down by all the excess coins that he used to send to that nice Dr Fuentes in Spain in exchange for being told to lay off the cupcakes during races, say his prayers and eat his vitamins like Hulk Hogan told him to.

Lol nice post.

 

[LaFlorecita]

No. Contador wasn't a contender for MJ before Alpe-d'Huez stage and was far more relaxed, unlike Andy the day before. If Contador had lain across the road and lost say 5 minutes comparatively to the others, nobody would have dared criticize him.

Andy was way back on GC. It was all or nothing. He had to do something drastic to get back into contention. Or do you believe Andy would've done something like that if he had been comfortable with his place on the rankings?

Also, that last sentence I don't understand.

Any Schleck and Contador threads usually modify the topic this way so it's classics. Additionally, you yourself are a record holder by the number of hijacked threads.

Of course.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Schleck shouldn't even watch the 2012 vuelta, maybe it's a good idea to make it 16+, because of extreme violence. Schleck will have nightmare's if he watches, and a trauma if he competes

I hope you're not too angry with me for being annoying. I just want to speak my mind, and if that is annoying to some (or all) then that's just how it is.

 

[Carols]

Can we get back to the Return of the King...a Storm is Coming in Vuelta 2012

Everyone should just 'ignore list' airstream as he obviously has one purpose only on every thread. I have, it makes visits here much more entertaining!

 

[Forunculo]

Can we get back to the Return of the King...a Storm is Coming in Vuelta 2012

Everyone should just 'ignore list' airstream as he obviously has one purpose only on every thread. I have, it makes visits here much more entertaining!

Perhaps we must create a thread named Return of the King ... Eneco Tour

Let airstream in peace, he is attacked for every fail of Andy so he has more or less the same right for the opposite.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Just to let you know, this thread doesnt revolve around you.

So what should I have said? That no one will never forget him? That's simply not true.

Apparently one can never say "I" again because the thread never revolves around that person. Lol. You're nitpicking and you know it.

You have some cheek to go around complaining about this thread coz you have hijacked a number of threads with Contador talk when he had nothing whatsoever got to do with the topic being discussed at the time.

Tell me what Contador had to do with the E3 Harelbeke thread. E3 Harelbeke! Thats a race that Contador always targets and a race he will probably target on his return. Your response was to tell me to **** off when i said it to you. Truth hurts is what i say.

And i also remember the following day you did the same in the Criterium International thread and a number of other posters took issue with you there for hijacking that thread with Contador talk.

Jesus Christ. I'm done with it. Can't you just admit, for once, that I WASN'T THE ONE WHO STARTED THOSE DISCUSSIONS. People defend me using that argument when you attack me yet again. What is it with you that you can't accept that and move on?