2013 Consolidated Team Depth Rankings

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Sorry to ask, but how can Argos stay on 147 points between those updates, when Tom Dumoulin was 2nd in the ENECO Tour..

That must have scored some points at least, no?

 

[SetonHallPirate]

Sorry to ask, but how can Argos stay on 147 points between those updates, when Tom Dumoulin was 2nd in the ENECO Tour..

That must have scored some points at least, no?

The rankings are based on the team rankings, not individual rankings. For the stage results and for one-day races, the places of the top three riders per team on each stage are considered, for stage race final results, the combination of times from the top three finishes on each stage are considered.

 

[SetonHallPirate]

Through August 25 (GP Stad Zottegem, Druivenkoers - Overijse, Coppa Agostoni - Giro delle Brianze, GP Banca di Legnano - Coppa Bernocchi, Dutch Food Valley Classic, Tre Valli Varesine, Tour du Limousin, Vattenfall Cyclassics, Châteauroux Classic de l'Indre Trophée Fenioux, USA Pro Cycling Challenge):

1. Movistar, 1592
2. Katusha, 1517
3. Ag2r-La Mondiale, 1393
4. RadioShack-Leopard, 1392
5. Sky, 1339
6. Omega Pharma-Quickstep, 1296
7. BMC, 1225
8. Belkin, 997
9. Astana, 995
10. Saxo-Tinkoff, 953
11. FDJ, 877
12. Vacansoleil-DCM, 812
13. Euskaltel-Euskadi, 664
14. IAM, 613
15. Lampre-Merida, 598
16. Cofidis, 590
17. Androni Giocattoli-Venezuela, 500
18. Garmin-Sharp, 442
19. Topsport Vlaanderen-Baloise, 440
20. Europcar, 397
21. Cannondale, 389
22. Vini Fantini-Selle Italia, 387
23. Orica-GreenEDGE, 349
24. Lotto-Belisol, 345
25. Bretagne-Seche Environnement, 285
26. Caja Rural-Seguros RGA, 273
27. Sojasun, 246
28. Bardiani Valvole-CSF Inox, 208
29. NetApp-Endura, 197
30. Crelan-Euphony, 171
31. Argos-Shimano, 150
32. MTN-Qhubeka, 126
33. RusVelo, 126
34. CCC-Polsat, 104
35. UnitedHealthCare, 94
36. Accent Jobs-Wanty, 89
37. Colombia, 60
38. Champion System, 31
39. Novo Nordisk, 1

Next update: September 1 (Tour du Poitou Charentes, Memorial Marco Pantani, World Ports Classic, Schaal Sels, GP Ouest France - Plouay)

 

[murali]

how can opqs with 45+ victories be just 6th?

when a cavendish or kittel wins, his lead out train is already scattered in the back. The effort of such temas count more for the victory than placing 12,13,14 in a stage. Team's strength also should be based on the type of stage and the guys who came top-3.

my point being, i think you need to change or tweak your parameters a bit more.

Also, where are you considering efforts of team mates to protect other jerseys?

 

[SetonHallPirate]

how can opqs with 45+ victories be just 6th?

when a cavendish or kittel wins, his lead out train is already scattered in the back. The effort of such temas count more for the victory than placing 12,13,14 in a stage. Team's strength also should be based on the type of stage and the guys who came top-3.

my point being, i think you need to change or tweak your parameters a bit more.

Also, where are you considering efforts of team mates to protect other jerseys?

I suppose I could go with the first man multiplied by three, the second man by two, and the third man by one, but I'm not sure how comfortable I'd be with simply going with the top rider for each team (read: I wouldn't be).

Actually, the reason I use the placings, rather than the times for individual stages and one-day races, is because I don't want to skew a team that goes 1-2 on a stage, and then has riders 3-9 off the back of the peloton. I felt like the placings for one-day races and individual stages, and then the times for the tours as a whole, was a good compromise.

 

[SetonHallPirate]

Through September 1 (Tour du Poitou Charentes, Memorial Marco Pantani, World Ports Classic, Schaal Sels, GP Ouest France - Plouay):

Note: Points in parenthesis are points earned from the Vuelta a Espana to date. These points have not been included in the ranking yet, and won't be until the Vuelta is completed.

1. Movistar, 1695 (8)
2. Katusha, 1563 (22)
3. Ag2r-La Mondiale, 1451
4. RadioShack-Leopard, 1394 (60)
5. Sky, 1339 (32)
6. Omega Pharma-Quickstep, 1318 (14)
7. BMC, 1225 (36)
8. Astana, 1055 (18)
9. Saxo-Tinkoff, 1014 (39)
10. Belkin, 1011 (6)
11. FDJ, 905
12. Vacansoleil-DCM, 818 (2)
13. Euskaltel-Euskadi, 664 (17)
14. IAM, 649
15. Lampre-Merida, 598
16. Cofidis, 590
17. Androni Giocattoli-Venezuela, 540
18. Topsport Vlaanderen-Baloise, 483
19. Garmin-Sharp, 442
20. Vini Fantini-Selle Italia, 407
21. Europcar, 398
22. Cannondale, 389
23. Lotto-Belisol, 388
24. Orica-GreenEDGE, 351
25. Bretagne-Seche Environnement, 312
26. Caja Rural-Seguros RGA, 273
27. Sojasun, 249
28. Bardiani Valvole-CSF Inox, 214
29. NetApp-Endura, 197 (4)
30. Crelan-Euphony, 177
31. Argos-Shimano, 150 (21)
32. RusVelo, 128
33. MTN-Qhubeka, 126
34. CCC-Polsat, 104
35. Accent Jobs-Wanty, 101
36. UnitedHealthCare, 94
37. Colombia, 60
38. Champion System, 31
39. Novo Nordisk, 1

Next update: September 8 (Brussels Cycling Classic, Settimana Ciclistica Lombarda, GP de Fourmies / La Voix du Nord, Tour of Alberta)

 

[avanti]

Through September 1 (Tour du Poitou Charentes, Memorial Marco Pantani, World Ports Classic, Schaal Sels, GP Ouest France - Plouay):
................................

Your rankings differ from those of the UCI World Tour)
http://www.uci.ch/templates/BUILTIN-NOFRAMES/Template3/layout.asp?MenuId=MTYzMzc&LangId=1
Are the rankings in your posts on another ranking system?

 

[SetonHallPirate]

Yes and no. The rankings are based on the team ranking results (adding up the places of the first three riders for each one-day race and individual stage, which is slightly different from how the races do things, and the times of the first three riders on each stage for a multi-day stage race). The points scale, however, is taken from the UCI World Tour rankings system, with an extension downward to allow for .HC and .1 races to be taken into account (both are 3-2-1 in terms of stages, .HC's are 50-30-20-10-4 for stage races and one-day races, .1's are 40-20-12-6-2). You could say the scales are similar, but the way they are applied are much, much different.

 

[murali]

I suppose I could go with the first man multiplied by three, the second man by two, and the third man by one, but I'm not sure how comfortable I'd be with simply going with the top rider for each team (read: I wouldn't be).

Such a skewing factor still needs to consider other factors; as in was it a sprint of a break away or a mountain finish.

My point being, the metric of placement is a poor indicator of the team's overall strength.
Also, the quality of teams sent to different races vary with the Director's and sponsors' interests; and the UCI level of the race.

Since you are already in the process of coming up with a model for team efficacy, i am of the opinion that the model should have a few sets of revision as well.

 

[SetonHallPirate]

Through September 8: Brussels Cycling Classic, Settimana Ciclistica Lombarda, GP de Fourmies / La Voix du Nord, Tour of Alberta

1. Movistar, 1695 (35)
2. Katusha, 1593 (27)
3. Ag2r-La Mondiale, 1455 (16)
4. RadioShack-Leopard, 1394 (64)
5. Sky, 1339 (58)
6. Omega Pharma-Quickstep, 1318 (14)
7. BMC, 1272 (40)
8. Astana, 1085 (48)
9. Belkin, 1026 (6)
10. Saxo-Tinkoff, 1024 (52)
11. FDJ, 1005 (8)
12. Vacansoleil-DCM, 838 (2)
13. Euskaltel-Euskadi, 664 (50)
14. IAM, 649
15. Androni Giocattoli-Venezuela, 607
16. Lampre-Merida, 598
17. Cofidis, 590 (1)
18. Topsport Vlaanderen-Baloise, 483
19. Garmin-Sharp, 445
20. Vini Fantini-Selle Italia, 433
21. Europcar, 398
22. Cannondale, 389
23. Lotto-Belisol, 388
24. Orica-GreenEDGE, 351
25. Bretagne-Seche Environnement, 312
26. Caja Rural-Seguros RGA, 273 (9)
27. Sojasun, 259
28. Bardiani Valvole-CSF Inox, 220
29. NetApp-Endura, 197 (14)
30. Crelan-Euphony, 177
31. Argos-Shimano, 162 (21)
32. MTN-Qhubeka, 132
33. RusVelo, 128
34. CCC-Polsat, 104
35. Accent Jobs-Wanty, 101
36. UnitedHealthCare, 101
37. Colombia, 60
38. Champion System, 31
39. Novo Nordisk, 1

Next update: September 15 (Grand Prix Cycliste de Québec, Grand Prix Cycliste de Montréal, Grote Prijs Jef Scherens - Rondom Leuven, Tour du Doubs - Conseil Général, Vuelta a España)

murali, sorry it's taken me so long to get back to you, but I'm honestly not sure how I could do that without it being too arbitrary.

 

[murali]

murali, sorry it's taken me so long to get back to you, but I'm honestly not sure how I could do that without it being too arbitrary.

That, my dear friend, is the real problem that needs a solution.

With sufficient extra information of stages, i think a metric could be derived. my own analysis so far indicated that a few extra parameters like finishing times, type of stage, weights of participating team, etc. could be taken to make a metric, though i don't think that it would be a straight forward summation function. Probably a bit of calculus, and a bit of heuristics/stochastic techniques may be needed. Unfortunately, I don't have time to look at any other problem than the one I am currently working on.

 

[SetonHallPirate]

Through September 15: Grand Prix Cycliste de Québec, Grand Prix Cycliste de Montréal, Grote Prijs Jef Scherens - Rondom Leuven, Tour du Doubs - Conseil Général, Vuelta a España

1. Movistar, 1927
2. Katusha, 1712
3. RadioShack-Leopard, 1586
4. Ag2r-La Mondiale, 1525
5. BMC, 1460
6. Sky, 1431
7. Omega Pharma-Quickstep, 1380 (2)
8. Astana, 1313
9. Belkin, 1216
10. Saxo-Tinkoff, 1175
11. FDJ, 1127
12. Euskaltel-Euskadi, 950
13. Vacansoleil-DCM, 864
14. IAM, 661
15. Lampre-Merida, 638
16. Cofidis, 614
17. Androni Giocattoli-Venezuela, 607
18. Topsport Vlaanderen-Baloise, 489
19. Garmin-Sharp, 469
20. Europcar, 440
21. Vini Fantini-Selle Italia, 433
22. Lotto-Belisol, 430
23. Cannondale, 403
24. Caja Rural-Seguros RGA, 374
25. Orica-GreenEDGE, 351
26. Bretagne-Seche Environnement, 332
27. NetApp-Endura, 270
28. Sojasun, 259
29. Bardiani Valvole-CSF Inox, 220
30. Argos-Shimano, 219
31. Crelan-Euphony, 177
32. MTN-Qhubeka, 132
33. RusVelo, 128
34. CCC-Polsat, 104
35. Accent Jobs-Wanty, 103
36. UnitedHealthCare, 101
37. Colombia, 60
38. Champion System, 31
39. Novo Nordisk, 1

Next update: September 22 (Grand Prix de Wallonie, Kampioenschap van Vlaanderen, Grand Prix de la Somme, Tour of China I, GP Impanis - Van Petegem, G.P. Costa degli Etruschi, UCI TTT World Championships, Grand Prix d'Isbergues, GP Industria, Tour of Britain)

 

[Cyivel]

Thank You as always.

 

[SetonHallPirate]

Through September 22 (Grand Prix de Wallonie, Kampioenschap van Vlaanderen, Grand Prix de la Somme, Tour of China I, GP Impanis - Van Petegem, G.P. Costa degli Etruschi, UCI TTT World Championships, Grand Prix d'Isbergues, GP Industria, Tour of Britain):

1. Movistar, 2001
2. Katusha, 1792
3. RadioShack-Leopard, 1706
4. BMC, 1642
5. Sky, 1620
6. Omega Pharma-Quickstep, 1598
7. Ag2r-La Mondiale, 1527
8. Astana, 1425
9. Belkin, 1306
10. Saxo-Tinkoff, 1267
11. FDJ, 1187
12. Euskaltel-Euskadi, 960
13. Vacansoleil-DCM, 939
14. IAM, 695
15. Lampre-Merida, 688
16. Androni Giocattoli-Venezuela, 679
17. Cofidis, 616
18. Garmin-Sharp, 560
19. Orica-GreenEDGE, 521
20. Cannondale, 503
21. Topsport Vlaanderen-Baloise, 491
22. Lotto-Belisol, 470
23. Europcar, 460
24. Vini Fantini-Selle Italia, 451
25. Caja Rural-Seguros RGA, 374
26. Bretagne-Seche Environnement, 368
27. NetApp-Endura, 274
28. Sojasun, 272
29. Argos-Shimano, 249
30. Bardiani Valvole-CSF Inox, 222
31. Crelan-Euphony, 177
32. MTN-Qhubeka, 132
33. RusVelo, 130
34. Accent Jobs-Wanty, 109
35. CCC-Polsat, 104
36. UnitedHealthCare, 101
37. Colombia, 60
38. Champion System, 31
39. Novo Nordisk, 1

Next update: September 29 (Omloop van het Houtland, UCI Road World Championships, Duo Normand)

 

[SetonHallPirate]

Through September 29 (Omloop van het Houtland, UCI Road World Championships, Duo Normand):

1. Movistar, 2141
2. Katusha, 1962
3. RadioShack-Leopard, 1786
4. BMC, 1772
5. Sky, 1730
6. Omega Pharma-Quickstep, 1700
7. Astana, 1625
8. Ag2r-La Mondiale, 1527
9. Belkin, 1426
10. Saxo-Tinkoff, 1267
11. FDJ, 1247
12. Vacansoleil-DCM, 979
13. Euskaltel-Euskadi, 960
14. IAM, 765
15. Lampre-Merida, 688
16. Androni Giocattoli-Venezuela, 679
17. Cofidis, 616
18. Garmin-Sharp, 610
19. Orica-GreenEDGE, 561
20. Cannondale, 503
21. Topsport Vlaanderen-Baloise, 491
22. Lotto-Belisol, 470
23. Europcar, 460
24. Vini Fantini-Selle Italia, 451
25. Caja Rural-Seguros RGA, 374
26. Bretagne-Seche Environnement, 368
27. Sojasun, 278
28. NetApp-Endura, 274
29. Argos-Shimano, 261
30. Bardiani Valvole-CSF Inox, 222
31. Crelan-Euphony, 179
32. MTN-Qhubeka, 132
33. RusVelo, 132
34. Accent Jobs-Wanty, 129
35. CCC-Polsat, 104
36. UnitedHealthCare, 101
37. Colombia, 60
38. Champion System, 31
39. Novo Nordisk, 1 (3)

Next update: October 6 (Tour of China II, Milano-Torino, Sparkassen Münsterland Giro, Il Lombardia, Tour de Vendée, Tour de l'Eurométropole)

 

[SetonHallPirate]

Through October 6 (Tour of China II, Milano-Torino, Sparkassen Münsterland Giro, Il Lombardia, Tour de Vendée, Tour de l'Eurométropole):

1. Movistar, 2211
2. Katusha, 2092
3. BMC, 1852
4. RadioShack-Leopard, 1786
5. Sky, 1730
6. Omega Pharma-Quickstep, 1700
7. Astana, 1625
8. Ag2r-La Mondiale, 1577
9. Belkin, 1479
10. Saxo-Tinkoff, 1347
11. FDJ, 1297
12. Vacansoleil-DCM, 983
13. Euskaltel-Euskadi, 960
14. IAM, 790
15. Androni Giocattoli-Venezuela, 759
16. Lampre-Merida, 728
17. Cofidis, 646
18. Garmin-Sharp, 610
19. Orica-GreenEDGE, 561
20. Topsport Vlaanderen-Baloise, 520
21. Cannondale, 503
22. Lotto-Belisol, 476
23. Europcar, 460
24. Vini Fantini-Selle Italia, 455
25. Bretagne-Seche Environnement, 388
26. Caja Rural-Seguros RGA, 374
27. Argos-Shimano, 329
28. Sojasun, 278
29. NetApp-Endura, 274
30. Bardiani Valvole-CSF Inox, 222
31. Crelan-Euphony, 179
32. Accent Jobs-Wanty, 134
33. MTN-Qhubeka, 132
34. RusVelo, 132
35. CCC-Polsat, 104
36. UnitedHealthCare, 101
37. Colombia, 60
38. Champion System, 31
39. Novo Nordisk, 4

Next update: October 13 (Binche-Tournai-Binche, Gran Premio Città di Peccioli, Paris-Bourges, Giro dell'Emilia, Paris - Tours, Gran Premio Bruno Beghelli)

 

[SetonHallPirate]

Through October 13 (Binche-Tournai-Binche, Gran Premio Città di Peccioli, Paris-Bourges, Giro dell'Emilia, Paris - Tours, Gran Premio Bruno Beghelli):

1. Movistar, 2211
2. Katusha, 2092
3. BMC, 1858
4. RadioShack-Leopard, 1786
5. Sky, 1730
6. Omega Pharma-Quickstep, 1730
7. Ag2r-La Mondiale, 1643
8. Astana, 1625
9. Belkin, 1519
10. Saxo-Tinkoff, 1349
11. FDJ, 1299
12. Euskaltel-Euskadi, 1012
13. Vacansoleil-DCM, 1003
14. Androni Giocattoli-Venezuela, 849
15. Lampre-Merida, 818
16. IAM, 790
17. Cofidis, 662
18. Garmin-Sharp, 610
19. Orica-GreenEDGE, 561
20. Topsport Vlaanderen-Baloise, 560
21. Cannondale, 503
22. Vini Fantini-Selle Italia, 491
23. Lotto-Belisol, 476
24. Europcar, 460
25. Bretagne-Seche Environnement, 388
26. Caja Rural-Seguros RGA, 374
27. Argos-Shimano, 335
28. Sojasun, 278
29. NetApp-Endura, 274
30. Bardiani Valvole-CSF Inox, 254
31. Crelan-Euphony, 179
32. RusVelo, 138
33. Accent Jobs-Wanty, 134
34. MTN-Qhubeka, 132
35. CCC-Polsat, 104
36. UnitedHealthCare, 101
37. Colombia, 60
38. Champion System, 31
39. Novo Nordisk, 4

Next update: October 20 (Nationale Sluitingprijs - Putte - Kapellen, Tour of Beijing, Chrono des Nations, Japan Cup Cycle Road Race)

 

[SetonHallPirate]

Through October 20 (Nationale Sluitingprijs - Putte - Kapellen, Tour of Beijing, Japan Cup Cycle Road Race)

1. Movistar, 2299
2. Katusha, 2116
3. BMC, 1966
4. RadioShack-Leopard, 1847
5. Sky, 1811
6. Omega Pharma-Quickstep, 1743
7. Ag2r-La Mondiale, 1719
8. Astana, 1628
9. Belkin, 1563
10. Saxo-Tinkoff, 1359
11. FDJ, 1305
12. Euskaltel-Euskadi, 1042
13. Vacansoleil-DCM, 1012
14. Lampre-Merida, 868
15. Androni Giocattoli-Venezuela, 849
16. IAM, 790
17. Cofidis, 662
18. Garmin-Sharp, 630
19. Topsport Vlaanderen-Baloise, 572
20. Orica-GreenEDGE, 562
21. Cannondale, 523
22. Vini Fantini-Selle Italia, 491
23. Lotto-Belisol, 476
24. Europcar, 460
25. Bretagne-Seche Environnement, 388
26. Caja Rural-Seguros RGA, 374
27. Argos-Shimano, 335
28. Sojasun, 278
29. NetApp-Endura, 274
30. Bardiani Valvole-CSF Inox, 254
31. Crelan-Euphony, 179
32. RusVelo, 138
33. Accent Jobs-Wanty, 134
34. MTN-Qhubeka, 132
35. CCC-Polsat, 104
36. UnitedHealthCare, 101
37. Colombia, 60
38. Champion System, 31
39. Novo Nordisk, 4

Next update: November 3 (Tour of Hainan)

Note: As only two teams started with the full three riders, I did not count the Chrono des Nations.

 

[SetonHallPirate]

Through November 3 (Tour of Hainan):

1. Movistar, 2299
2. Katusha, 2116
3. BMC, 1966
4. RadioShack-Leopard, 1847
5. Sky, 1811
6. Omega Pharma-Quickstep, 1743
7. Ag2r-La Mondiale, 1719
8. Belkin, 1636
9. Astana, 1628
10. Saxo-Tinkoff, 1359
11. FDJ, 1305
12. Euskaltel-Euskadi, 1042
13. Vacansoleil-DCM, 1012
14. Lampre-Merida, 868
15. Androni Giocattoli-Venezuela, 849
16. IAM, 790
17. Cofidis, 662
18. Garmin-Sharp, 630
19. Topsport Vlaanderen-Baloise, 572
20. Orica-GreenEDGE, 562
21. Cannondale, 523
22. Vini Fantini-Selle Italia, 491
23. Lotto-Belisol, 476
24. Europcar, 460
25. Bretagne-Seche Environnement, 388
26. Caja Rural-Seguros RGA, 374
27. Argos-Shimano, 335
28. Sojasun, 278
29. NetApp-Endura, 274
30. Bardiani Valvole-CSF Inox, 254
31. Crelan-Euphony, 211
32. RusVelo, 138
33. Accent Jobs-Wanty, 134
34. MTN-Qhubeka, 132
35. CCC-Polsat, 126
36. UnitedHealthCare, 101
37. Colombia, 60
38. Champion System, 31
39. Novo Nordisk, 4

Next and final update: November 10 (Tour of Taihu Lake)

 

[SetonHallPirate]

2013 Final Ranking:

1. Movistar, 2299
2. Katusha, 2116
3. BMC, 1966
4. RadioShack-Leopard, 1847
5. Sky, 1811
6. Omega Pharma-Quickstep, 1743
7. Ag2r-La Mondiale, 1719
8. Belkin, 1636
9. Astana, 1628
10. Saxo-Tinkoff, 1359
11. FDJ, 1305
12. Euskaltel-Euskadi, 1042
13. Vacansoleil-DCM, 1012
14. Lampre-Merida, 868
15. Androni Giocattoli-Venezuela, 849
16. IAM, 790
17. Cofidis, 662
18. Garmin-Sharp, 630
19. Topsport Vlaanderen-Baloise, 572
20. Orica-GreenEDGE, 562
21. Cannondale, 523
22. Vini Fantini-Selle Italia, 491
23. Lotto-Belisol, 476
24. Europcar, 460
25. Bretagne-Seche Environnement, 388
26. Caja Rural-Seguros RGA, 374
27. Argos-Shimano, 335
28. Sojasun, 278
29. NetApp-Endura, 274
30. Bardiani Valvole-CSF Inox, 254
31. Crelan-Euphony, 218
32. RusVelo, 138
33. Accent Jobs-Wanty, 134
34. MTN-Qhubeka, 132
35. CCC-Polsat, 126
36. UnitedHealthCare, 101
37. Colombia, 60
38. Champion System, 31
39. Novo Nordisk, 4