2013 Critérium du Dauphiné Stage 5: Grésy-sur-Aix Valmorel (139 km)

[TANK91]

Was froome impressive. I think he was. Contador being bad at tts doesn't mean he's bad at climbing. It never worked that way with himm for e.g. 2010 tour and dauphine his tt sucked balls but his climbing was still joint best with schleck and way too good for samu, menchov, gesink, vdb.

or 2007 tour his climbing was as good as ever. He went a minute faster than lance and as fast as 98 pantani on pdb. But he wasn't that great in the tts.

So contadors poor tt does not mean his climbing is also poor. His climbing looks very good. Not his best and maybe not as good as it will be in the tour, but still very good.

And froome who might also have room to improve for July, dealt with it very very easy. And we don't even know if he was going full gas.

Sadly for Contador fans, it's unlikely he will ever win another tour de France. Not so long he looked dead cert to join indurain hinault merckx anquetil on 5 and maybe Armstrong on 7. Looks like he'll go down as a footnote with 2( officialy)

Great post, i thought he would defo get 6 TDF's at least after 09. I still think he needs a few classic wins or another 2 GT's to be considerd a legend, he will be consider'd the best GT rider of his generation, but what if Froome beats Contador back to back for a hattrick of TDF, would he still be regarded as the best.

It's crazy how it's worked out for him, i think he could have been known as 1 of the top 3 cyclists of all time, but no chance now.

 

[LaFlorecita]

My first guy on the Ignore list, Froome is on another level ok shall i spell it out. 2nd to Froome is still an achievement. Wow o Wow, i give up on every Contador fans view from now on.

Im trying to be objective in what i think. You just keep believing that Froome is profiting because Contador is not 09 Contador, i never actually new Cyclists were the same, and they never get worst.

You do know riders peak at diff times? Contador has dominated since 07 at a young age, He know has someone else to contend with and bla bla its bad form bla bla, he did not look that bad today its just Froome is superiour he took 4 seconds in 200 metre's on the flat.

The reason you say 2nd is not good for Contador is because it's hard to believe for some that he can get beat. Well every rider has their day Contador cannot dominate for year after year.

No.

"the second place is not good"

When you've won so much the second place is meaningless

 

[scholar]

Great stage,but i will never listen to eurosport commentary again,they think Froome is the new Pantani or something

Shouldn't that be a matter for discussion in the Clinic?

 

[Telmisartan new]

My first guy on the Ignore list, Froome is on another level ok shall i spell it out. 2nd to Froome is still an achievement. Wow o Wow, i give up on every Contador fans view from now on.

You have the mental age of a four year old.Please go away.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Was froome impressive. I think he was. Contador being bad at tts doesn't mean he's bad at climbing. It never worked that way with himm for e.g. 2010 tour and dauphine his tt sucked balls but his climbing was still joint best with schleck and way too good for samu, menchov, gesink, vdb.

or 2007 tour his climbing was as good as ever. He went a minute faster than lance and as fast as 98 pantani on pdb. But he wasn't that great in the tts.

So contadors poor tt does not mean his climbing is also poor. His climbing looks very good. Not his best and maybe not as good as it will be in the tour, but still very good.

And froome who might also have room to improve for July, dealt with it very very easy. And we don't even know if he was going full gas.

Sadly for Contador fans, it's unlikely he will ever win another tour de France. Not so long he looked dead cert to join indurain hinault merckx anquetil on 5 and maybe Armstrong on 7. Looks like he'll go down as a footnote with 2( officialy)

You know it's bad when even hitch loses faith

2 wins is nothing. meh.

I wonder what if he hadn't tested positive. I guess he'd win his 5th tdf this summer. meh.

I saw this the other day

Most Wins
1. HINAULT Bernard 5 - 2 - 0
2. MERCKX Eddy 5 - 1 - 0
3. ANQUETIL Jacques 5 - 0 - 1
4. INDURAIN Miguel 5 - 0 - 0
5. LEMOND Greg 3 - 1 - 1
6. BOBET Louison 3 - 0 - 1
7. THYS Philippe 3 - 0 - 0
8. FRANTZ Nicolas 2 - 2 - 0
9. MAGNE Antonin 2 - 1 - 1
10. BOTTECCHIA Ottavio 2 - 1 - 0

damn even 3 wins would be so much better. I hate ****ing UCI and CAS and WADA.

 

[JRanton]

Well that was much more like it from Contador. A pretty promising day for Saxo really. Froome and Porte are looking good but Lopez and Kiryienka haven't come out of the Tenerife training camp in good shape. Kennaugh throws his hat into the ring for a Tour spot but I have a feeling Brailsford will be making a call to Colombia tonight.

 

[TANK91]

A second place doesn't add on anyone's palmares. A palmares consists of wins. Not losses.

Thanks i actually dint realise that. I wonderd though because last year when Nibali got a podium at the TDF people said he as now podiume'd all three GT's, so i thought that would add to his palmares. So if say Froome never wins a GT but podiums the Giro he will have all 3GT's on the podium, surely that would be on his Palmares no?

 

[LaFlorecita]

Thanks i actually dint realise that. I wonderd though because last year when Nibali got a podium at the TDF people said he as now podiume'd all three GT's, so i thought that would add to his palmares. So if say Froome never wins a GT but podiums the Giro he will have all 3GT's on the podium, surely that would be on his Palmares no?

yes

but not if you've won every gt already

 

[The Hitch]

In '07 and '10 he finished in the top-10 in the long flat ITTs. Yesterday he was 61st(?).

IN the 2010 tour he finished like 30th in the long tt. His climbing was still awessome. Ergo his tt ability doesn't always correlate to his climbing ability.

 

[LaFlorecita]

IN the 2010 tour he finished like 30th in the long tt. His climbing was still awessome. Ergo his tt ability doesn't always correlate to his climbing ability.

actually 46th I think. or something like that

 

[Netserk]

IN the 2010 tour he finished like 30th in the long tt. His climbing was still awessome. Ergo his tt ability doesn't always correlate to his climbing ability.

The only rider that rode at the same time as him that beat him was Menchov. He was better than all the others in the top-10 of the GC.

 

[Netserk]

actually 46th I think. or something like that

35th

 

[LaFlorecita]

35th

hmm ok

 

[Netserk]

Vino 0'11 (16th GC)
Menchov 2'52 (3rd GC)
Wiggo 3'10 (24th GC)

Those riders were the only ones in the top-30 of the final GC that was better than Alberto in the final ITT in '10. Note that the wind changed, so it's not really fair to compare him with the early starters. In equal conditions he'd top-10'ed.

 

[manafana]

froome makes it bit more exciting than wiggins anyway who wouldn't have got his bum out of saddle, froome really went for it today a good win.

good to see taaramae back getting involved.

 

[Vino's Mum]

IN the 2010 tour he finished like 30th in the long tt.

Yeah, but wasn't that the one where the wind later in the day affected all the GC riders?

 

[LaFlorecita]

pretty weird when you see articles talking about Froome crushing Alberto. What did I miss?

 

[Miburo]

like netserk says the wind changed completely, but Contador was pretty bad though.

So now hitch loses hope, it's true that i remember the days when i thought contador could take Armstrong's record

Or the triple even

Hitch can be such a d!ck, don't bring that up man

 

[Netserk]

pretty weird when you see articles talking about Froome crushing Alberto. What did I miss?

Yesterday's articles?

Otherwise it's mighty weird

 

[LaFlorecita]

like netserk says the wind changed completely, but Contador was pretty bad though.

So now hitch loses hope, it's true that i remember the days when i thought contador could take Armstrong's record

Or the triple even

Hitch can be such a d!ck, don't bring that up man

Yes I know, a while ago I thought Alberto could even become one of the best cyclists ever not anymore

 

[contessador]

My first guy on the Ignore list, Froome is on another level ok shall i spell it out. 2nd to Froome is still an achievement. Wow o Wow, i give up on every Contador fans view from now on.

Im trying to be objective in what i think. You just keep believing that Froome is profiting because Contador is not 09 Contador, i never actually new Cyclists were the same, and they never get worst.

You do know riders peak at diff times? Contador has dominated since 07 at a young age, He know has someone else to contend with and bla bla its bad form bla bla, he did not look that bad today its just Froome is superiour he took 4 seconds in 200 metre's on the flat.

The reason you say 2nd is not good for Contador is because it's hard to believe for some that he can get beat. Well every rider has their day Contador cannot dominate for year after year.

It is nothing personal about being 2nd to Froome; it is about being 2nd to anyone in a GT. It is like Wiggins in the Giro this year. He had no reason to stay and fight for 2nd or 3rd place - nothing against Nibali. Similarly, can't see Contador going for anything other than a win, much like Wiggins, if Wiggins were there. That is why it is just awkward for Sky to have Wiggins and Froome riding together again in Le Tour. In 2011 when Contador was having a bad TdF with the Giro in his legs, he was not riding for a podium spot - the reason why he went on an all out long distance attack was to make the race interesting and go for the win; he had nothing to lose. It is a mind-set with the likes of guys like Wiggins and Contador. That is how I see it, anyway. Nothing against Froome - it is a personality thing and a rider like Contador, or any GC guy is going to have different career goals in 2007 compared to 2013. Does that make any sense? sorry doing my best.

As for this Dauphine, I would say Contador with his allergy struggles and whatever is not going for the win, whereas, Froome appears to be as well as making a statement. But don't be surprised if Contador is saving something for later when riding the TdF, even though in the past, when goals were different and he was younger, he would probably fight hard for the Dauphine win. (digging myself a hole, now)

 

[LaFlorecita]

Yesterday's articles?

Otherwise it's mighty weird

Not really

"Critérium du Dauphiné 2013, stage five: Chris Froome blows Alberto Contador away to take overall lead

Team Sky's Chris Froome delivered Alberto Contador a devestating blow on Thursday after the Briton won stage five of Critérium du Dauphiné to take the overall lead in the eight-day race."

"The Kenyan-born rider, who currently leads the Critérium du Dauphiné after crushing his "biggest threat" Alberto Contador in Thursday's fifth stage, received another boost last week when Wiggins was forced to pull out of Team Sky's nine-man Tour outfit."

Though, to be fair, it is the same guy who wrote those two articles. I guess he's a bit of a fanboy

 

[shinoda13]

Some question marks about the Sky train, apart from Porte. Think Sky need to consider bringing in Uran or Henao into the Tour squad

Question marks from me too. Last year they always controled the pace in the peloton with their steady rhythm obviously because they had the yellow jersey and because no one else wanted to (sometimes probably couldn't). Today Movistar assumed control on the final climb and probably because of their pace Kiryienka and Thomas dropped rather early. Except Porte i don't see anyone sticking with Froome until the final kilometres. Team Sky 2012 had Rogers, Porte, Froome and Wiggins. Now they have Porte and Froome.

 

[jaylew]

I think what annoys me is people assume Contador is much worst, i think Froome is just really good.

It's fairly obvious to just about everybody.

My first guy on the Ignore list, Froome is on another level ok shall i spell it out.

If that's enough for someone to make your ignore list, you're going to have a hard time around here.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Question marks from me too. Last year they always controled the pace in the peloton with their steady rhythm obviously because they had the yellow jersey and because no one else wanted to (sometimes probably couldn't). Today Movistar assumed control on the final climb and probably because of their pace Kiryienka and Thomas dropped rather early. Except Porte i don't see anyone sticking with Froome until the final kilometres. Team Sky 2012 had Rogers, Porte, Froome and Wiggins. Now they have Porte and Froome.

No problem, he'll just solo 5 km