2013 Critérium du Dauphiné Stage 5: Grésy-sur-Aix Valmorel (139 km)

[LaFlorecita]

I think it would be good defo, a 2nd place to add to his wins would be great,

No it wouldn't

and it would add a podium to his collection, he is that great when he is on the podium it is the top step, it wont hurt to be 2nd imo to a very strong guy like Froome,

Yes it will

their is no shame if he finishes 2nd afterall if Froome was not their he'd win.

Yes there is

I actually think you have even lowerd expectations,

Yes I have

in the past we would fight over something but i think you have realised 2nd still adds to a palmares

No I haven't

and he is racing a guy who is in peak shape, Contador is obviously great still to get podiums, i just think he lacks a win v Froome in a TDF when both are at peak fitness.

No he doesn't

He can still win GT's as proved bye last year but he did need an element of luck which was understandable.

No he doesn't need an element of luck when he's on top form

 

[TANK91]

So? What's your point? Races need to be raced, as simple as that.

His point i think is that you were wrong last year, i often seen you post stuff, Wiggo has not seen a col etc. Froome beat Nibali with the handbrake on towing his captain around, thats how dominant Froome was. All you keep saying is Froome has yet two win a GT lol, i think you may be wrong this TDF, imo Contador will only go close if he can take time in the ITT's.

 

[Netserk]

It doesn't matter if he ends up 2nd, 12th or 52th. All three are a placement of a loser. The only things that count are overall win, winning a jersey, a stage win and wearing the yellow jersey. (This counts for every rider)

 

[Telmisartan new]

The notion that Contador should aim for 2nd in the Tour is nothing short of ridiculous.

 

[TANK91]

No it wouldn't



Yes it will



Yes there is


Yes I have



No I haven't



No he doesn't



No he doesn't need an element of luck when he's on top form

To the bottom one what i mean is i think this will be his level from now on he is nearly 31(not old but you no what i mean) and i cant see him ever reaching his old level, so he can still win a GT or two, but can he raise himself for a dual in the TDF v Froome for the next 3 years? Im not so sure

 

[TANK91]

The notion that Contador should aim for 2nd in the Tour is nothing short of ridiculous.

If thats aimed at me well read my post, isaid a 2nd place and win on the Alpe combo would still be a great achievement. If Froome is as good as we think come July what is so bad about comming 2nd lol. Puh lease, That is crazy, i suppose a podium is such a bad result.

 

[meat puppet]

vetooo ‏@ammattipyoraily 1 h

#Dauphine, St. 5, Valmorel (12.73 km) Chris Froome (68 kg): 32:32, 23.48 Kph DrF: 6.06 W/kg. CPL: 6.18 W/kg. BCR: 6.26 W/kg. rst: 6.34 W/kg

so they were banging on in the 6+ region

 

[Pulpstar]

DrF: 6.06 W/kg. CPL: 6.18 W/kg. BCR: 6.26 W/kg. rst: 6.34 W/kg

Excuse my ignorance but what do DrF, CPL, BCR and rst all mean ?

 

[Telmisartan new]

If thats aimed at me well read my post, isaid a 2nd place and win on the Alpe combo would still be a great achievement. If Froome is as good as we think come July what is so bad about comming 2nd lol. Puh lease, That is crazy, i suppose a podium is such a bad result.

Contador doesnt ride for 2nd place,never has,Riis might like the WT points but for you to suggest 2nd at the Tour is some sort of result for Contador is BS,the guy is a champion,he fights until he has nothing left to give.

What happens if the Dawg crashes? What happens if the Dawg takes ill or has an off day? Contador will not be lining up in Corsica thinking 2nd is his best chance of a result.You are deluded.

 

[TANK91]

La Flo im shocked how you dont think 2nd place adds to Contado's palmares, i mean wow he cant win every GT he takes part in, thats slly. Id understand if he is yet to be beat but he came 5th in 2011, so what is the shame in comming 2nd to Froome. I think what annoys me is people assume Contador is much worst, i think Froome is just really good. It's fanboyism to suggest Contador 09 beats Froome 13, because we dont yet no if Froome attacks all the time without using his train how much damage he could do. Froome is not profiting from someone who is weak, he is just so strong.

 

[meat puppet]

different formulas used in calculating the power output

DrF for instance is the one used by the good dottore Ferrari

 

[LaFleur]

Apparently Navarro crashed just before the climb and started the climb a minute after the others... pretty impressive.

Also, Taaramäe started his today's blog like this: "Taaramachine is back!". Can't wait for the tour

 

[Netserk]

vetooo ‏@ammattipyoraily 1 h

#Dauphine, St. 5, Valmorel (12.73 km) Chris Froome (68 kg): 32:32, 23.48 Kph DrF: 6.06 W/kg. CPL: 6.18 W/kg. BCR: 6.26 W/kg. rst: 6.34 W/kg

so they were banging on in the 6+ region

Remember that Froome had a lot left in the tank.

 

[Netserk]

La Flo im shocked how you dont think 2nd place adds to Contado's palmares, i mean wow he cant win every GT he takes part in, thats slly. Id understand if he is yet to be beat but he came 5th in 2011, so what is the shame in comming 2nd to Froome. I think what annoys me is people assume Contador is much worst, i think Froome is just really good. It's fanboyism to suggest Contador 09 beats Froome 13, because we dont yet no if Froome attacks all the time without using his train how much damage he could do. Froome is not profiting from someone who is weak, he is just so strong.

A second place doesn't add on anyone's palmares. A palmares consists of wins. Not losses.

 

[meat puppet]

Remember that Froome had a lot left in the tank.

indeed. resistance is futile

 

[l.Harm]

Different methods, first one should be doktor Ferrari.

- oops little late.

 

[hfer07]

Highlights last 2k

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWv02K-llNQ

I'm actually quite surprised of Contador-I thought he was going to fail today due to his allergies-but to be able to attack the Sky train & get just out sprinted by Froome, he seems to be making good progress.

 

[LaFlorecita]

La Flo im shocked how you dont think 2nd place adds to Contado's palmares, i mean wow he cant win every GT he takes part in, thats slly. Id understand if he is yet to be beat but he came 5th in 2011, so what is the shame in comming 2nd to Froome. I think what annoys me is people assume Contador is much worst, i think Froome is just really good. It's fanboyism to suggest Contador 09 beats Froome 13, because we dont yet no if Froome attacks all the time without using his train how much damage he could do. Froome is not profiting from someone who is weak, he is just so strong.

Only the win counts. Everything else would be a failure for Alberto.

Strange you can't see Alberto is much worse. Anyone with half a brain can see that.

What is funny is that the other day on velorooms we were discussing Alberto. I didn't agree, but quite a lot of knowledgeable posters seemed to agree that another tour win wouldn't add as much to his palmares as say a LBL win.

In other words. He has already won so many stage races, a 2nd place wouldn't add anything and even another tour win wouldn't add that much.

And what Netserk says, a palmares consists of wins. Unless you're Andy Schleck.

I will now quote Alberto

"The second place is not good"

 

[TANK91]

Contador doesnt ride for 2nd place,never has,Riis might like the WT points but for you to suggest 2nd at the Tour is some sort of result for Contador is BS,the guy is a champion,he fights until he has nothing left to give.

What happens if the Dawg crashes? What happens if the Dawg takes ill or has an off day? Contador will not be lining up in Corsica thinking 2nd is his best chance of a result.You are deluded.

My first guy on the Ignore list, Froome is on another level ok shall i spell it out. 2nd to Froome is still an achievement. Wow o Wow, i give up on every Contador fans view from now on.

Im trying to be objective in what i think. You just keep believing that Froome is profiting because Contador is not 09 Contador, i never actually new Cyclists were the same, and they never get worst.

You do know riders peak at diff times? Contador has dominated since 07 at a young age, He know has someone else to contend with and bla bla its bad form bla bla, he did not look that bad today its just Froome is superiour he took 4 seconds in 200 metre's on the flat.

The reason you say 2nd is not good for Contador is because it's hard to believe for some that he can get beat. Well every rider has their day Contador cannot dominate for year after year.

 

[Afrank]

A second place doesn't add on anyone's palmares. A palmares consists of wins. Not losses.

Yest it does, it will just add to one persons palmares more than it will add to another persons. For example a 2nd place in the Tour for Rolland would look better and add more to the quality of his palmares than it would for Contador's.

 

[lemoogle]

Apparently Rolland fell with 20Kms to go and decided it wasn't worth the effort to try and catch up, makes sense.

 

[The Hitch]

Was froome impressive. I think he was. Contador being bad at tts doesn't mean he's bad at climbing. It never worked that way with himm for e.g. 2010 tour and dauphine his tt sucked balls but his climbing was still joint best with schleck and way too good for samu, menchov, gesink, vdb.

or 2007 tour his climbing was as good as ever. He went a minute faster than lance and as fast as 98 pantani on pdb. But he wasn't that great in the tts.

So contadors poor tt does not mean his climbing is also poor. His climbing looks very good. Not his best and maybe not as good as it will be in the tour, but still very good.

And froome who might also have room to improve for July, dealt with it very very easy. And we don't even know if he was going full gas.

Sadly for Contador fans, it's unlikely he will ever win another tour de France. Not so long he looked dead cert to join indurain hinault merckx anquetil on 5 and maybe Armstrong on 7. Looks like he'll go down as a footnote with 2( officialy)

 

[TANK91]

Remember that Froome had a lot left in the tank.

Netserk we all no what you mean with that post, Edit: Sky hater alert.

If i wrote that and Contador won the stage you'd no doubt delete it, as we know what your like when someone criticises Tornado Tom or Contador, dont we.

 

[Vino's Mum]

...to be able to attack the Sky train & get just out sprinted by Froome

For now, Froomie's just doing enough. Into the big chainring for the last 200m or so, and he was gone.

About as emphatic a four second win as you'll see.

 

[Netserk]

Was froome impressive. I think he was. Contador being bad at tts doesn't mean he's bad at climbing. It never worked that way with himm for e.g. 2010 tour and dauphine his tt sucked balls but his climbing was still joint best with schleck and way too good for samu, menchov, gesink, vdb.

or 2007 tour his climbing was as good as ever. He went a minute faster than lance and as fast as 98 pantani on pdb. But he wasn't that great in the tts.

So contadors poor tt does not mean his climbing is also poor. His climbing looks very good. Not his best and maybe not as good as it will be in the tour, but still very good.

And froome who might also have room to improve for July, dealt with it very very easy. And we don't even know if he was going full gas.

Sadly for Contador fans, it's unlikely he will ever win another tour de France. Not so long he looked dead cert to join indurain hinault merckx anquetil on 5 and maybe Armstrong on 7. Looks like he'll go down as a footnote with 2( officialy)

In '07 and '10 he finished in the top-10 in the long flat ITTs. Yesterday he was 61st(?).