2013 Giro D'Italia Field Discussion

[movingtarget]

The vuelta is not in the triple crown. Triple crown is giro-tour- world's. No vuelta.

I think he means Wiggo's previously stated wish about winning all three grand tours. Triple grand tour not triple crown. Not in the same year of course !

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

they have puccio for that this year

why? they have no cavendish

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

You did not watch same race as me then Henao came 9th, Uran 7th I think? If he did not co lead then he would not of been so high up and he would of went in breakaways yet he didn't.

yes henao came 9th despite helping out for 3 weeks. when uran was in white after 2nd weke henao had to work for him and before that for cavendish

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

I want to see Edmonsen in a GT this year he is v young so it should be the Vuelta. Edmonsen looks like a talent he done good in Algarve, Kennaugh and Edmonsen will do La Vuelta probably helping Henao or Uran.

edmondson is way yoo toung to do a gt. he won't

 

[theyoungest]

He was pretty strong along with Knees on the stage that Froome lost Tirreno. Ok, it was early work but they were having to control a large break up the road on very hard terrain for 100km+. He's pretty good on hills, ok on the flat. Kennaugh and Dombrowski were both weak on that stage and haven't made the Giro squad. I did say that P-N and Tirreno would be auditions for Sky's Giro and Tour squads but some people said I was talking nonsense.

I don't think Dombrowski was that weak on that stage, I seem to remember him doing a lot of work on the front. Just like in Pais Vasco, and basically every other race he did. I think doing the Giro would kill him though, and Brailsford seems to think so as well.

I hope he'll get the chance to ride for himself at some point. If you look at how Aru did in Trentino, and considering that Dombrowski is a level above him.

 

[wwabbit]

I didnt know that
Seriously,yeah,imo he will lose around 2'30 to Wiggins.Can he beat him by 2 and half in mountains?Yes,he can.Simple as that.

Henao lost 3'15" to Tony Martin in a 34.8km ITT earlier this season.
Losing 5 minutes to Wiggins in a 54.8 ITT won't be surprising.

And there is the OTHER ITT in the Giro. Henao won't lose as much time seeing as it is an MTT, but he will still lose time.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

martin is a better itt rider than wiggins. no way henao will lose 5 minutes to him

 

[Eshnar]

http://www.biciciclismo.com/cas/site/noticias-ficha.asp?id=61423

This article has suspicious similarities with my OP Especially when it comes to the undefined teams

 

[theyoungest]

martin is a better itt rider than wiggins. no way henao will lose 5 minutes to him

If it were a flat TT, maybe Henao could lose 5 min (although even there it's quite a lot). But it's a technical, up and down TT, so that's not as bad for Henao.

 

[taiwan]

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/sanchez-aiming-for-giro-podium-and-stage-win

Sammy Sanchez says he wants a stage win and downplays his underperformance this year. He has been quiet at the early season races but he's maybe being mentioned too little as a GC contender for the Giro. GT palmares better than all but a few favourites.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

If it were a flat TT, maybe Henao could lose 5 min (although even there it's quite a lot). But it's a technical, up and down TT, so that's not as bad for Henao.

oh in that case will be better then. henaol is good in technical explosive itt's

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

oh in that case will be better then. henaol is good in technical explosive itt's

The second half isn't all that technical for the most part. I still think that Wiggins will put minutes into all of the other GT contenders here.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

The second half isn't all that technical for the most part. I still think that Wiggins will put minutes into all of the other GT contenders here.

that matters less. after the harder part it's more about what you have left in general also because you can't get into any rhythm until then. so is better than to have first half flat and straight

 

[ILovecycling]

2:30 in 55k? if he doesn't lose close to 4 minutes it'll be a miracle. Based on last year's tour he could conceivably lose 5 minutes.

Last years Tour?What?Wiggins was in form of his life and Henao wasnt there.How can you compare these?
Firstly,its extra technical TT,up and downs,lot of corners,Henao explosivness is tailor made for this TT,he can sprint off the corners etc.Secondly,there is 3k hill in the end,which will be pretty decisive,last km is more than 10%,so this is again for Henao.I say 2'30 - at max. 3'00 on Wiggins.

Henao lost 3'15" to Tony Martin in a 34.8km ITT earlier this season.
Losing 5 minutes to Wiggins in a 54.8 ITT won't be surprising.

And there is the OTHER ITT in the Giro. Henao won't lose as much time seeing as it is an MTT, but he will still lose time.

Oh yeah he lost it at mighty Algarve in which Matin wanted desperately to win. It was first stage race of the year for him and Martin is natural TT and he is better than Wiggins imo.
Other arguments are in the 1.part of this post.

MTT-imo he will gain on Wiggins couple of seconds,he is better climber

 

[rainman]

Reality is that Kennaugh hasn't been quite good enough so far this season. He's looking better at Romandie though. It could work out for the best if he gets more of a free role in some smaller stage races coming up in the next few months before going on to the Vuelta.

Wiggns will be at the Giro. Froome and Thomas are certain for the Tour. Maybe Stannard too. JTL and Kennaugh should do the Vuelta. That leaves neo-pro Edmondson, 2nd year pro Luke Rowe and Ben Swift who will be focussing only on one week stage races this season (if he ever gets fit!).

Yes Kennaugh not riding - also Porte, Kiryienka, Lopez out. Wtf? Knees will start.

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

that matters less. after the harder part it's more about what you have left in general also because you can't get into any rhythm until then. so is better than to have first half flat and straight

Right, but I don't think technical TTs hurt Wiggins at all, in that respect

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Right, but I don't think technical TTs hurt Wiggins at all, in that respect

well they do. wiggins needs big long flat roads to really do damage. also he's not explosive, which obviously hurts tremendously on technical itt's. reason he isn't too great in prologues either

 

[SafeBet]

Wiggo finally overtaking Nibbles in the poll

 

[Pentacycle]

well they do. wiggins needs big long flat roads to really do damage. also he's not explosive, which obviously hurts tremendously on technical itt's. reason he isn't too great in prologues either

Not great in prologues? He was 2nd in the one in the Tour. You should also look up the results of the 2011 Dauphine.

 

[Angliru]

Cmon there is no way in hell he is winning the vuelta after riding the previous 2. He wont have a chance against all the prepared spanish riders that focus solely on the vuelta.

I don't think Cavendash means in the same year but over the course of Wiggins career.

 

[The Hitch]

Also Wiggins only 2 stage wins before 2012 when he suddenly won every tt he entered, were prologues.

 

[The Hitch]

I think he means Wiggo's previously stated wish about winning all three grand tours. Triple grand tour not triple crown. Not in the same year of course !

No. He clearly responded to a post which said "Wiggins won't win the triple crown"- with- whatdayamean he can't win the vuelta.

So clearly he didn't know what the triple crown was.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Not great in prologues? He was 2nd in the one in the Tour. You should also look up the results of the 2011 Dauphine.

compared to long distance itt he's not good in prologues. that was my point, similar to tony martin

 

[theyoungest]

well they do. wiggins needs big long flat roads to really do damage. also he's not explosive, which obviously hurts tremendously on technical itt's. reason he isn't too great in prologues either

Before anything else, Wiggo was a prologue specialist. Technical TTs don't hurt him at all, he knows everything about cornering and cadence.

 

[movingtarget]

compared to long distance itt he's not good in prologues. that was my point, similar to tony martin

Martin had a terrible start, he seemed to slip or something when he came down the ramp but he never threatened the best times on the road but yes some good TT riders don't perform as well in the prologues. Evans and Leipheimer never seemed to like the shorter ones much either.