2013 Giro d'Italia Stage 10 : Cordenons - Altopiano Del Montasio 167 km

[dhawk97]

Giro is a totally different beast than the Tour. A lot more unpretictable which doesnt fit Sky and Wiggo well.

I was referring to the Giro Del Trentino. Wiggins looked completely fine, if anything, more comfortable than Vinnie. Siutsou won the MTF stage. It's like someone has fixed Wiggins' race position

 

[Dazed and Confused]

I wouldn't underestimate Evans, nor give him any seconds for free.
It's true Astana doesn't look good at the moment, with ill riders and the like, but maybe the rest day is gonna help them.

Sky trio could be a very strong asset to dismantle their opposition, but we know it's not going to happen unless Wiggo collapses completely.

Not an easy situation for Nibali and of course unexpected. Its an added complication that the race is more open (bigger gaps) than say last year's Giro. Riders with serious ambitions can't just wait until the last 300m to attack. They must plan ahead. Potentially even more difficult to control.

Perhaps Sky setting the train in motion early on stages can help Astana, but why would Sky start early? Wait until Astana's train is depleted seems a better option.

 

[King Boonen]

Not an easy situation for Nibali and of course unexpected. Its an added complication that the race is more open (bigger gaps) than say last year's Giro. Riders with serious ambitions can't just wait until the last 300m to attack. They must plan ahead. Potentially even more difficult to control.

Perhaps Sky setting the train in motion early on stages can help Astana, but why would Sky start early? Wait until Astana's train is depleted seems a better option.

Brailsford is a control freak, I wouldn't be at all suprised if Sky ride as if they have the jersey because he'll be too scared it could get away from them if they don't.

I hope this doesn't happen, but I think it's possible.

 

[movingtarget]

The best thing that can happen for Nibali is Evans getting the pink jersey after stage 10 with a couple of seconds to spare. Let BMC use its resources for a week or so and then take the jersey back with a strategic attack. Its risky, put the alternative may be even worse.

Nibali will be attacked tomorrow anyway. BMC won't want Pink and don't have the team to defend it. Nibali won't mind a break taking the time bonuses tomorrow but it probably won't happen. I think Scarponi and maybe Santambrogio will try something.

 

[taiwan]

Not an easy situation for Nibali and of course unexpected. Its an added complication that the race is more open (bigger gaps) than say last year's Giro. Riders with serious ambitions can't just wait until the last 300m to attack. They must plan ahead. Potentially even more difficult to control.

Perhaps Sky setting the train in motion early on stages can help Astana, but why would Sky start early? Wait until Astana's train is depleted seems a better option.

Bit pedantic, but AFAIK an '"open" race is one where the riders are closer together, i.e. the race lead is open, or available, to anyone.

 

[airstream]

Perhaps Sky setting the train in motion early on stages can help Astana, but why would Sky start early? Wait until Astana's train is depleted seems a better option.

Astana train is generally too weak and not oriented on fast 'sifter'. Very likely Sky won't be satistied with Astana low tempo and prefer to go on the front.

 

[dhawk97]

What's the situation with the Astana team? Are they suffering injures, if so who? I see Aru come flying off.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Bit pedantic, but AFAIK an '"open" race is one where the riders are closer together, i.e. the race lead is open, or available, to anyone.

yes, wrong description. Meant bigger gaps will likely lead to more risk taking etc or so I hope.

 

[Cimber]

What's the situation with the Astana team? Are they suffering injures, if so who? I see Aru come flying off.

Tiralonga has been sick iirc, and of course Brajkovic he had to pull out before the start of the Giro.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

A year is a long time ask Hesjedal.

the point was that wiggins supposedly had never gotten nibali of his wheel in a mountainstage. I don't see what you posts adds to that point

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Tiralonga has been sick iirc, and of course Brajkovic he had to pull out before the start of the Giro.

Tiralongo crashed on an earlier stage, knocked the knee but seems in better form now. Aru didn't crash on stage 9, it was Gruzdev.

Kessiakoff still looks off form to me.

 

[airstream]

the point was that wiggins supposedly had never gotten nibali of his wheel in a mountainstage. I don't see what you posts adds to that point

Who will win, without considering Henao, Ryo? Nibali as we know is overrated, Evans may have a black day... Gesink?

 

[whittashau]

Tiralonga has been sick iirc, and of course Brajkovic he had to pull out before the start of the Giro.

Kessiakoff has been sick too and also had a crash. Gruzdev crashed badly yesterday. Losing Brajkovic has been a huge loss for Nibali, and Zeits his replacement has been average to say the least. Agnoli is good, but not great. Thankfully Kangert has turned out to be the best domestique of the Giro thus far.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

it depends. it is going to rian again later this week, which rules out wiggins for good. evans will relaly blow the coming days or week and so will gesink probably. outside henao I say scarponi and hesjedal to win, there is also pozzovivo that has done very well and outside teh colombians no one can follow him in the real mountains

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Astana train is generally too weak and not oriented on fast 'sifter'. Very likely Sky won't be satistied with Astana low tempo and prefer to go on the front.

well, Sky's train is a proven concept in many situations. If started early on stage 10 and kept going until the end of the race, I think it will come up a bit short. Clearly it was the original plan from Sky, but the Giro is not an easy beast to tame.

 

[airstream]

well, Sky's train is a proven concept in many situations. If started early on stage 10 and kept going until the end of the race, I think it will come up a bit short. Clearly it was the original plan from Sky, but the Giro is not an easy beast to tame.

It is the case. It's harder to tow Wiggin up on 10% grades without tiring him in comparison what we saw in the Tour,but by and large no one opponent is really attacking climbers who's able to derail train by induvidual effort. Honestly, I don't expect very open battles.

 

[SafeBet]

it depends. it is going to rian again later this week, which rules out wiggins for good. evans will relaly blow the coming days or week and so will gesink probably. outside henao I say scarponi and hesjedal to win, there is also pozzovivo that has done very well and outside teh colombians no one can follow him in the real mountains

In the past three years:
- Pozzovivo has not dropped Nibali even once on a climb;
- Nibali has dropped Pozzovivo 13 times on climbs.

Who is the better climber?

 

[cineteq]

In the past three years:
- Pozzovivo has not dropped Nibali even once on a climb;
- Nibali has dropped Pozzovivo 13 times on climbs.

Who is the better climber?

I bet he thought he was talking about Rujano...but wait has he dropped Nibali lately?

 

[Escarabajo]

Didn't he win the vuelta cause anton crashed out?

How did he improve in 2011 when Contador kicked his ***?

Anyway that tour lacked contador, AS and purito. Froome clearly could do what he wanted. Even freaking VDB2 did some attacks. Nibali wasn't that impressive.

Of course AS was going to destroy everyone in the Tour. LOL.
And maybe will never see that old Contador form back. He is been less than stellar lately if you have been paying attention. As for Purito, how can we know if he is a Tour guy. he has had his opportunities already.

I am not sure but Nibali seems to have quite so many haters in this Forum and I don't understand this. He has done the right things so far and had a nice evolution since he came into the scene. Besides he has taken good advantage of his skills (however limited they are). He might end up after his career is over with a better palmares than other more talented riders than him.

Disclaimer again. Not a Nibali fan. I am a Colombian fan, but I try not to loose objectivity of each rider's capabilities.

 

[webvan]

Yep, excellent descender and very good all rounder, the Savoldelli of the current generation. I think he gets more flack than he deserves because he gets drummed up by a few people posting round the clock here as the best thing since sliced bread so the natural reaction is to put that into perspective, hence some negativity.

 

[whittashau]

The way it's going Nibali is probably going to have one the best palmares of any rider of the last decade which given his talents is ridiculous, but not many riders have had the success he has had.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

http://www.dewielersite.net/db2/wielersite/ritfiche.php?ritid=172118#first

look what I found within 3 seconds of looking

 

[Flamin]

Delfino might have a go here if he has the legs, since the stage is raced very close to his home and where a lot of friends and relatives live.

I'm expecting the sky train to hit the front real hard from the bottom of the last climb though.

 

[Tei6chai]

it's will be ridiculous if sky trains again for wiggo on climb with 20% ramps.

henao must atack and crush that amators

It is only 20% in the upper reaches.

Sky will have shelled out the tiny scrawny men well before they get to the 20% section.

 

[Tei6chai]

Just watched cassani's preview of this stage. The climb to Cason di lanza is stunning, a thing of beauty. You'll see.

And there are some steep walls in the second part of that climb. If they want to attack astana they can start from there for sure.

I watched Cassani's preview too, and it was obvious from that preview that Sky must attack Astana on the lower slopes, to strip Nibali of his gregari.

There will only be 6-8 men left on the front by the 20% ramps at the top, and I'd be surprised if many of them were GC men.