2013 Giro d'Italia Stage 8: Gabicce Mare - Saltara 54,8 km ITT

[maxmartin]

Hard to tell who has any form. All of the gaps have been a result of something other than form.

yeah? except W was dropped multiple times since the Giro started, if that is not the indication of form I don't what will be the indication?

 

[Big Doopie]

nothing wrong with that.
Are you also a Garmin fan?

yeah, somewhat. i like what jv has done for cycling.

 

[movingtarget]

I have written this before, & so far my predictions have come true-so I'd like to remain the SKY fanboys a fact:

Tomorrow's ITT is not 100% suitable for Wiggo to take minutes over the competition due to its technicality, with 3/4 of the length filled with many turns & constant change in gradients.

And i'm not even including the "RAIN FACTOR" plus the damage he's suffered today due to his crashes....

Either Hesjedal or Evans will win the stage-perhaps Ryder in Pink while Nibbs second just seconds away. Wiggo will not take back time on them...

Evans could do anything. Drop three minutes or do well. If Wiggo can't bounce back on this stage his chances of winning the overall look bleak. I am thinking Gesink is the one who might put in a good performance. It has been an uneventful first week for him apart from one slight mishap. Ryder should be solid but I don't see him winning the TT.

 

[Jelantik]

yeah? except W was dropped multiple times since the Giro started, if that is not the indication of form I don't what will be the indication?

Lack of focus maybe? Got distracted after Brailsford announcement about Froomey? After all he's been campaigning that he and Chris are the TDF leader.

 

[Morbius]

Anybody got a weather update?

 

[auscyclefan94]

Anybody got a weather update?

http://www.weather.com/weather/today/Calcinelli+ITMR1054:1:IT

 

[xrayvision]

Ryder takes this, but not with loads, I think Sir Wiggo will get back in the GC mix and finish 2nd, after all, the Queen believes in him, and I would not wish to be near Henao or Uran if he fails terrible.
The weather could turn out to be an important factor.

Boaro in top 10, and Wilco in white after today.

 

[Roude Leiw]

which olympic? sure is not 2012, he was 28, ONE Min behind Menchov, while in the Tour Nibali is ahead of Menchov in both ITT

http://www.london2012.com/cycling-road/event/men-time-trial/phase=crm011100/index.html

Yeah, sorry my bad, got carried away

Ryder is a good TT rider in my opinion, got a great engine, parcours should suit him. He might not win by a landslide, but no way will he loose a lot of time to nibbles/evans etc.

I stay with what i said in yesterdays race threat, if Wiggo is not hurt (sick or mentally down), he will take this TT with a margin on everybody else. He might end up in pink, though with a small margin. Which makes the race even better afterwards

 

[manafana]

Prodhomme and his cronies wants predictability. Must follow the script.

its always harder for tour to go to mad, theirs such a media interest you can't go too mad. As seen in cyclingnews report it generates so much of a teams turnover

 

[Roude Leiw]

yeah? except W was dropped multiple times since the Giro started, if that is not the indication of form I don't what will be the indication?

i would go easy with this. He was caught in a gap early, that may be form or plain bad placement in the peloton, i.e. it shows a lack of focus maybe or just an aversion to risk taking in crazy finales of flat stages.

He was dropped on a steep, short climb, that was never his strong point, if he starts dropping the explosive climbers on these ramps, i will add another few posts in one of the longest threads ever in another sub forum.

So Wiggo will win (baring sickness) the TT, technical or not, he will probably end up by a small margin in pink, hesjedal and nibbles will be there.

For me 2 unknowns to watch, how will Inxtsausi (spelling?) fare and what is Evans status, he rode well for the moment.

 

[Ferminal]

maybe pv '12?

Yeh for a shorter one.

As far as long efforts go I can't remember one as up/down/left/right as this since Sestri Levante (which was of course at least 50% more crazy than this).

 

[theyoungest]

Yeh for a shorter one.

As far as long efforts go I can't remember one as up/down/left/right as this since Sestri Levante (which was of course at least 50% more crazy than this).

And which was won by the most non-technical rider out there. I.e. it's still all about form.

 

[Sophistic82]

Some folks have obviously forgotten Hesjedals strong ITT last year, he is >70kg and climbs strong, so the watts are there and he is no andy schleck.
Wiggins is obviously demotivated, i doubt he has completely lost the form he showed at Giro d Trentino just some weeks ago.
Nibali struggled after his crash yesterday, might not be 100%, and even if he is and he's riding his new SPECIALIZED bike, he's gonna lose time.

Wiggins (if he can keep his nerves)
Hesjdedal +1:30
Nibali/Evans +1:50
Scarponi/Sanchez +2:50
Pozzo +3:40

 

[Ferminal]

And which was won by the most non-technical rider out there. I.e. it's still all about form.

If it was 60km dead straight I'm sure Menchov would have won by another 2 minutes.

 

[manafana]

If it was 60km dead straight I'm sure Menchov would have won by another 2 minutes.

agree, menchov was the best that day and won, today is bit easier from effort point of view but still extremely testing any time trial over an hour is too much in my view.

 

[maxmartin]

Some folks have obviously forgotten Hesjedals strong ITT last year, he is >70kg and climbs strong, so the watts are there and he is no andy schleck.
Wiggins is obviously demotivated, i doubt he has completely lost the form he showed at Giro d Trentino just some weeks ago.
Nibali struggled after his crash yesterday, might not be 100%, and even if he is and he's riding his new SPECIALIZED bike, he's gonna lose time.

Wiggins (if he can keep his nerves)
Hesjdedal +1:30
Nibali/Evans +1:50
Scarponi/Sanchez +2:50
Pozzo +3:40

Nibali improved quite a bit on his TT-bike

 

[movingtarget]

agree, menchov was the best that day and won, today is bit easier from effort point of view but still extremely testing any time trial over an hour is too much in my view.

Having watched a video preview of the stage, not sure why many are saying the time gaps will be small between the GC riders. The final hill is a brutal finish for a long TT. Anyone struggling before the hill will lose big time.

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

Having watched a video preview of the stage, not sure why many are saying the time gaps will be small between the GC riders. The final hill is a brutal finish for a long TT. Anyone struggling before the hill will lose big time.

Yea, I think we can see some interesting time changes from the last time check to the finish line (someone cracks, while someone saves themself a bit for the last 4 km)

btw. how steep is it?

 

[iZnoGouD]

Machado will deliver in this TT

 

[Bavarianrider]

In theory Hejesedal should be a realy good TT.
A big 70kg + rider who is fast in the mountains, which means he has to pull high watts. If he simplypulled those Watts in a TT, too, he'd be among the best TTists.
Really wonder why he didn't deiver his potentialin a TT so far.

 

[Eyeballs Out]

I'd expect Wiggins to be behind at the first check. Up to that point it's technical, likely tailwind and likely wet (all against Wiggins). The second half is much more in his comfort zone, and where he should have a huge advantage over smaller climbers like Nibali. Even with the steep finish the riders coming into the last km with the best speed are going to have a big advantage

I wonder whether some riders will start without full TT equipment

 

[Bavarianrider]

Some folks have obviously forgotten Hesjedals strong ITT last year, he is >70kg and climbs strong, so the watts are there and he is no andy schleck.
Wiggins is obviously demotivated, i doubt he has completely lost the form he showed at Giro d Trentino just some weeks ago.
Nibali struggled after his crash yesterday, might not be 100%, and even if he is and he's riding his new SPECIALIZED bike, he's gonna lose time.

Wiggins (if he can keep his nerves)
Hesjdedal +1:30
Nibali/Evans +1:50
Scarponi/Sanchez +2:50
Pozzo +3:40

Scarponi will at least lose 4:30

 

[Bavarianrider]

I'd expect Wiggins to be behind at the first check. Up to that point it's technical, likely tailwind and likely wet (all against Wiggins). The second half is much more in his comfort zone, and where he should have a huge advantage over smaller climbers like Nibali. Even with the steep finish the riders coming into the last km with the best speed are going to have a big advantage

I wonder whether some riders will start without full TT equipment

Again, don't get confused by the map.
It's realy not that technical. This part of the TT was done during a road stage awhile ago.
These are no stop and go corners. It are sweeping corners hat can be done at high speeds.

 

[Ruudz0r]

Some folks have obviously forgotten Hesjedals strong ITT last year, he is >70kg and climbs strong, so the watts are there and he is no andy schleck.
Wiggins is obviously demotivated, i doubt he has completely lost the form he showed at Giro d Trentino just some weeks ago.
Nibali struggled after his crash yesterday, might not be 100%, and even if he is and he's riding his new SPECIALIZED bike, he's gonna lose time.

Wiggins (if he can keep his nerves)
Hesjdedal +1:30
Nibali/Evans +1:50
Scarponi/Sanchez +2:50
Pozzo +3:40

There is a big difference this year with last years TT though. Its way earlier in the Giro. Hesjedal has super recuperation so a TT in the end is better for him then at the start of a GT.
However he looks to be in even better shape then last year and I think he will do a good TT.

 

[iZnoGouD]

In theory Hejesedal should be a realy good TT.
A big 70kg + rider who is fast in the mountains, which means he has to pull high watts. If he simplypulled those Watts in a TT, too, he'd be among the best TTists.
Really wonder why he didn't deiver his potentialin a TT so far.

In theory Andy should be the best TTer in the world, he had an FTP of 440w
It's not all about watts