2013 Tour de Suisse, Stage 9: Bad Ragaz - Flumserberg 26.8 Km

[jens_attacks]

spilak to do the ride of his life and put two minutes on everyone, wins GC

i think rui costa will take it

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Crans Montana ITT was when Mollema did the entire hilly season after already being 3rd in Basque and top 10 in all hilly classics. I remember he was pretty much exhausted in that ITT. He should do better now.

That being said, Costa, Kreuziger and Van Garderen are normally superior in that category. Although Kreuziger also delivers a lot of bad ITT's.
And Pinot could have a good day here.

Frank, I don't believe in...but he'll stay on the podium

Costa will win the GC tho

 

[Jason_Mercier]

Are you trying to get yourself banned?

On a more serious note, Pinot will lose a lot in the flat first half of the TT, he can't contend FTW. TJVG however, can still win the race like you mentioned, if he has a really good day. He climbs better in TT's(even on steep climbs) than he does in outright mountain stages.

I think Costa is overrated in this Forum... How much professional victories has him? Not more than 10. Even guys 5 years younger than him have the same or more.

 

[Pentacycle]

I think Costa is overrated in this Forum... How much professional victories has him? Not more than 10. Even guys 5 years younger than him has the same or more.

He has 11(almost 12), but does that necessarily matter? He's won a Tour stage and he's on his way to win two successive editions of the Tour de Suisse. It's better than winning ToC or a bunch of **** small stages.

 

[BigMac]

I think Costa is overrated in this Forum... How much professional victories has him? Not more than 10. Even guys 5 years younger than him has the same or more.

11 pro victories
- GC Tour de Suisse 2012
---stagewins (2010.2012.2013)
- GP Cycliste Montreal 2011
- GC Dunkerke 2009
---stagewin at the Tour 2011.

He also has more than a couple of 2nds behind big names at that time. Not clearly overrated here. Not sure where you're trying to get.

About the guys younger than him, maybe they do, but 80% of those whom your thinking off don't have victories as important.

 

[Jason_Mercier]

He has 11(almost 12), but does that necessarily matter? He's won a Tour stage and he's on his way to win two successive editions of the Tour de Suisse. It's better than winning ToC or a bunch of **** small stages.

Of course is important... its like here with Costa you're talking like he's a kind of god, a Michele Bartoli or something like that... and he's not more than a Kim Kirchen

 

[Netserk]

Netserk posted it somewhere but i am too lazy to look for it. And its not like its really necessary as he will edit my post and add it when he sees this thread.

I know you too well Net

Gave you the Flumserberg profile for the cost of including Kreuziger amongst the favourites

 

[Pentacycle]

Of course is important... its like here with Costa you're talking like he's a kind of god, a Michele Bartoli or something like that... and he's not more than a Kim Kirchen

I don't know many riders of his age with such important victories. Some have a Tour stage, some have a WT stage race to their name, and others have a classic. Daniel Martin is at a similar level, with LBL, Catalunya and a Vuelta stage. Costa also hasn't reached his full potential in the classics either, imo. He has the capacities to win a race like LBL.

 

[Big Doopie]

So let me see if i follow your line of thought.

If the rider you want to win wins, its because they are clean. If not, its because the guy who won is doping?

uhhmm . . . ok. Anyway take it to the clinic if you want.

Back on topic:

Wasn't the climb on the ToC itt shorter and the flatter part longer? I don't recall it very well.

Lol. Tj no fav.

Just facts. Much better tter and mtt plays to his abilities as it is steady power not abrupt accelerations -- why hinault used to kill it on mtts.

But these days you can never be sure to be up against a surprising cobo-like perf, that's all. So there is no given no matter the pedigree.

 

[Big Doopie]

Of course is important... its like here with Costa you're talking like he's a kind of god.

You forget he rides for moviestar, appears once a season instead of the entire year, and didn't finish 5th in the TDF.

So he must be a god.

 

[Parrulo]

Gave you the Flumserberg profile for the cost of including Kreuziger amongst the favourites

Oh you just did not!!!!

Of course is important... its like here with Costa you're talking like he's a kind of god, a Michele Bartoli or something like that... and he's not more than a Kim Kirchen

Exactly when was he talked up like a god? Maybe that status should be reserved to Thibaut "according to jason mercier will win every mountain stage he participates but never does" Pinot?

Was saying he was one of the favourites to win PN over hyping him? Was saying he could do a good result at LBL over hyping him? Was saying he could contend for the win at Romandie, if not for froome, over hyping him? Was saying he was one of the favourites for this years TdS over hyping him?

Because that was the hype he got this season, and guess what, he mostly delivered. He is so hyped that i, and some other unbearable hypers, expected him to lose time yesterday because the mountain was too hard for him. . . jesus the hype is so unbearable it almost burns. And when has he been talked up for GT's and stuff like that?

I don't know many riders of his age with such important victories. Some have a Tour stage, some have a WT stage race to their name, and others have a classic. Daniel Martin is at a similar level, with LBL, Catalunya and a Vuelta stage. Costa also hasn't reached his full potential in the classics either, imo. He has the capacities to win a race like LBL.

Exactly.

 

[roundabout]

You forget he rides for moviestar, appears once a season instead of the entire year, and didn't finish 5th in the TDF.

So he must be a god.

Erm.

No.

http://cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/rider_palm.asp?riderid=6807&year=0&all=0&current=0

 

[Maaaaaaaarten]

Pinot shouldn't be underestimated for this, he finished 8th on the Crans Montana TT last year in Romandie, and he's been working hard on his TT, showing some improvement.

I mean, he's still bad at flat TT's, but he's a showed a bit of improvement on that area, and he should put in one of the fastest ascents of the entire field on the climb. Despite rightfully having the reputation of a horrible TTer, he should be able to hold his own in the GC.

 

[BigMac]

You forget he rides for moviestar, appears once a season instead of the entire year, and didn't finish 5th in the TDF.

So he must be a god.

Please don't you use that kind of cheap sarcasm. Are you sure he appears once a season? In 2012 won Suisse, managed to finish top 20 in le Tour after losing a hell lot of time on stage 17 setting it up for Valverde when he was 10th overall, and still finished it in front of his team captain (overall). Finished top 15 in the Olympics and same in the WC (taking in account the poor team Portugal had). Before that, finished top3 in Quebeq and was second in Plouay beat only by Eddy Boss.

Now you made me seem like an idiot fanboy talking.

 

[Parrulo]

Please don't you use that kind of cheap sarcasm. Are you sure he appears once a season? In 2012 won Suisse, managed to finish top 20 in le Tour after losing a hell lot of time on stage 17 setting it up for Valverde when he was 10th overall, and still finished it in front of his team captain (overall). Finished top 15 in the Olympics and same in the WC (taking in account the poor team Portugal had). Before that, finished top3 in Quebeq and was second in Plouay beat only by Eddy Boss.

Now you made me seem like an idiot fanboy talking.

He wasn't even close to being 10th overall before stage 17 at the tour last year.

And don't insult other members.

 

[Jason_Mercier]

Oh you just did not!!!!



Exactly when was he talked up like a god? Maybe that status should be reserved to Thibaut "according to jason mercier will win every mountain stage he participates but never does" Pinot?

Was saying he was one of the favourites to win PN over hyping him? Was saying he could do a good result at LBL over hyping him? Was saying he could contend for the win at Romandie, if not for froome, over hyping him? Was saying he was one of the favourites for this years TdS over hyping him?

Because that was the hype he got this season, and guess what, he mostly delivered. He is so hyped that i, and some other unbearable hypers, expected him to lose time yesterday because the mountain was too hard for him. . . jesus the hype is so unbearable it almost burns. And when has he been talked up for GT's and stuff like that?






Exactly.

Dont make me laugh. I have never wrote something like this.

Costa is overrated when 80% people say he's going to win in spite of the presence of Tejay Van Garderen. And thats'all.
Not specific words... it's simply that all people here talk like he's a super-rider and really is a wheelsucker who could have never won the past Suisse without the support of Valverde.

11 professional victories. More than 50 active professional riders with better palmares.

 

[Afrank]

Costa to take the GC. Hope that Tejay can put in a strong ride, think he could have a good chance of a podium with a good ride. Thibaut I think will surprise and put in a good ride as well.

Would be awesome to see Frank put in the ride of his life to take the overall.

Gonna go ahead and predict Cance to crush it and take the stage win.

 

[amih77]

From the 2008 TdS:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAVkWW3PUYo[/URL]

 

[BigMac]

He wasn't even close to being 10th overall before stage 17 at the tour last year.

And don't insult other members.

My bad on the Tour part, yet he was claerly active during the race.

Can you quote my insult to any member please? I didn't managed to find it.

 

[Parrulo]

My bad on the Tour part, yet he was claerly active during the race.

Can you quote my insult to any member please? I didn't managed to find it.

Never mind. I miss read your post.

 

[BigMac]

Never mind. I miss read your post.

kinda scared me

 

[Miburo]

Don't forget Tejay. He needs to make up little more than a minute on Frank. He'll do that on the flat part alone. Probably on Costa and Mollema as well.

Don't overrate him

If TJ has a great day it's possible, taking a minute on Costa and Kreuziger is possible. But i think it'll be between Kreuziger and Costa.

I'm gonna assume Kreuziger just had a bad day and he's proven he can do this...5 years ago....

He was the guy who caught devolder, right?

 

[will10]

From the 2008 TdS:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAVkWW3PUYo[/URL]

Might be the only time we saw Zaugg before he won Lombardia.

Oh and Devolder, lol.

 

[Gugashwill]

TJ certainly. Maybe not enough for the overall, but for the podium surely.
Monfort might put a fast score on the board.
Schleck should ride the climb competitively, but I'm not convinced he will.

 

[Waterloo Sunrise]

Any rules on bike changes. Presume everyone taking this seriously will need to swap at the bottom of the climb.