2013 Tour of California

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Bavarianrider said:
In May Tour of California is neither a good option for those who want to ride a GT, the Giro, or those who want to peak at the Tour.
Going to the US with all the jet leg and so on is not the ideal preparation heading into the Tour. Peaking for the Tour of California is also not the ebst idea if you want to ride the Tour at your best.
Especially for American riders who want to shine both on their home turf as well as in the tour that's a real problem. After all, the Tour is by far the most popular bike race in the USA. American riders will only get publicity if they shine in the Tour.
Hence moving it to September would make so much more sense.
In September it could be a real race were people go all in.
In May it will always stay a preparation race in the first place. And only second tier riders will declare it their peak.
In September it would be a real race where people go in and in May it will always stay a preparation race? What are you smoking?

Name me a top level race in September that isn't used as a preparation race for the Worlds. Your vendetta against the Vuelta is transparent enough, it's the softest GT target easily, so don't hide behind BS like "in May it's a preparation race, it wouldn't be in September", and just say "I want it to kill the Vuelta". At least you'd be being honest.
 
Tour of Colorado aka USA Pro Challenge

Originally Posted by Bavarianrider
In May Tour of California is neither a good option for those who want to ride a GT, the Giro, or those who want to peak at the Tour.
Going to the US with all the jet leg and so on is not the ideal preparation heading into the Tour. Peaking for the Tour of California is also not the ebst idea if you want to ride the Tour at your best.
Especially for American riders who want to shine both on their home turf as well as in the tour that's a real problem. After all, the Tour is by far the most popular bike race in the USA. American riders will only get publicity if they shine in the Tour.
Hence moving it to September would make so much more sense.
In September it could be a real race were people go all in.
In May it will always stay a preparation race in the first place. And only second tier riders will declare it their peak.

Another reason Tour of Cali may not work in Sept. is that the Tour of Colorado / USA Pro Challenge is in the end of August.

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And someone mentioned a weaker team for Garmin in Cali.

Garmin's likely to send a stronger team for their home turf.
 
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The GCW said:
Another reason Tour of Cali may not work in Sept. is that the Tour of Colorado / USA Pro Challenge is in the end of August.

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And someone mentioned a weaker team for Garmin in Cali.

Garmin's likely to send a stronger team for their home turf.

As of now, doesn't look like it. Should be sending Talansky at least.

Garmin-Sharp
Rohan Dennis (AUS)
Alex Howes (USA)
Caleb Fairly (USA)
Tyler Farrar (USA)
Lachlan Morton (AUS)
Jacob Rathe (USA)
Johan Vansummeren (BEL)
David Zabriskie (USA)
 
Afrank said:
As of now, doesn't look like it. Should be sending Talansky at least.

Garmin-Sharp
Rohan Dennis (AUS)
Alex Howes (USA)
Caleb Fairly (USA)
Tyler Farrar (USA)
Lachlan Morton (AUS)
Jacob Rathe (USA)
Johan Vansummeren (BEL)
David Zabriskie (USA)
Zabriskie got 2nd last year, and a few other times as well. With no Mt. Baldy, and with another dominant display in the TT, who knows?

Only thing is, has he even raced so far this season?
 
Jancouver said:
Last night I saw a SRAM support car leavining hotel parking lot in my neighborhood. Must a sign that ToC is around the corner. #Stoked :D

Good for you :)

I'm American and this race is a mere distraction while the Giro is going on LOL! But if it was in my backyard I'd feel differently I'm certain :)
 
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theyoungest said:
Zabriskie got 2nd last year, and a few other times as well. With no Mt. Baldy, and with another dominant display in the TT, who knows?

Only thing is, has he even raced so far this season?

I'm not sure Zabriskie will contend this year, I suspect the route might be a little too hard for him. Plus he's only raced Catalunya this year, so who knows where his form is. Last year he at least showed some form earlier in the season. I'd happily be proven wrong though, as DZ has frequently been the "almost man" of the race.
 
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I agree that AToC is overhyped by some people and that there are a probably a lot of things that they could do better regarding the parcours. But on the other hand I think this race has shown a lot of growth since being started in 2006, which is not that long ago. The only race that has grown bigger in less time in the last years would be Strade Bianche IMO, but the two are of course not at all compareable. So I think we should give it some more time and I am sure it will continue to grow and to improve
 
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Christian said:
I agree that AToC is overhyped by some people and that there are a probably a lot of things that they could do better regarding the parcours. But on the other hand I think this race has shown a lot of growth since being started in 2006, which is not that long ago. The only race that has grown bigger in less time in the last years would be Strade Bianche IMO, but the two are of course not at all compareable. So I think we should give it some more time and I am sure it will continue to grow and to improve

We dont have that many chances to see pro race in our area so obviously we are super excited. :D

As per Zabriskie. The route is HILLY! No way he can win or even podium. First three days have 30K of climbing.

Weather could be factor too. The temperatures in my area for Sunday and Monday are expected to be pretty high for this time of the year. Around 90F or 30C in the Escondido area and 100s/40C in Palm Spring on Monday!

http://www.weather.com/weather/tenday/Palm+Springs+CA+USCA0828:1:US

BTW Friends are already reporting Gillbert & BMC riding around my area and my wife yesterday passed Cannondale team not too far from my house :D
 
karlboss said:
Best thing the Tour of Cali could do is invite South american teams.

Dazed and Confused said:
yep, these things aren't really that hard to figure out.
Since it seems the UCI's edict of making .HC races invite the top 3 ranked teams in the Continental rankings has come to nothing, that's not possible at this time. Utah and Colorado can because they're 2.1-rated, but California as a 2.HC race can only take teams from the top 2 levels, and Continental-ranked teams from the host nation. As a result the only South American team eligible for entry currently has most of its best riders doing the Giro right now. And also, quite a few top South American teams have no UCI status at all, of course.

I think the AToC has been happy in the past with its 16-team limit, of which half are World Tour and you get a decent amount of the national teams in, and also I'm not sure that they'd voluntarily lower the race's official level in order to invite the South Americans, while some races willingly keep their level lower than they could be (Eroica) or have been in the past (Volta) in order to have more freedom of invitations. Being the highest status race in the US counts for something, at .1 it's the same as Utah or Colorado, and while the race is growing I don't see them doing that.
Christian said:
I agree that AToC is overhyped by some people and that there are a probably a lot of things that they could do better regarding the parcours. But on the other hand I think this race has shown a lot of growth since being started in 2006, which is not that long ago. The only race that has grown bigger in less time in the last years would be Strade Bianche IMO, but the two are of course not at all compareable. So I think we should give it some more time and I am sure it will continue to grow and to improve
I think this next couple of years are the make or break times for it. It's grown quickly and carved out its niche; the routes have been improving (returning to the epic fail that is Big Bear last year notwithstanding), I think 2011 with Sierra Road early on was very good as it was steep enough to make differences but not long enough to make them too big to damage racing elsewhere (as opposed to, say, Paris-Nice that year where the long TT meant gaps were too large to be made up on the rest of the course), while the weather intervened and prevented them holding the promising Lake Tahoe stage, which couldn't be helped.

However, it had been propped up a bit in its move to May and golden egg status by the Lance factor, and his crowd, and now those are mostly gone; Lance obviously is now disgraced, guys like Levi don't have a team, Horner's age is catching up and illnesses and injuries are taking longer to get over. The field this year seems weak compared to the last couple of years, however if we get a weaker field of people really gunning for the race over a stronger field of people riding around for form and not taking the race seriously it could still be seen as a positive step. However with the star factor dwindling it's had less opportunity to really drive home that self-serving PR that has always rung false and attracted ridicule from many fans, and I've found the build-up to the race, both on the forum and amongst the fans and sport in general, to be FAR more muted this year than in the last three seasons.
 
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TJVG should win this against such weak field, therefore winning his first world tour stage race. Maybe my boy Degendt or Westra can throw some resistance.
 
damn and when you think that not long time ago we were spoiled with beautiful shows like these :( :(

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Libertine Seguros said:
Since it seems the UCI's edict of making .HC races invite the top 3 ranked teams in the Continental rankings has come to nothing, that's not possible at this time. Utah and Colorado can because they're 2.1-rated, but California as a 2.HC race can only take teams from the top 2 levels, and Continental-ranked teams from the host nation. As a result the only South American team eligible for entry currently has most of its best riders doing the Giro right now. And also, quite a few top South American teams have no UCI status at all, of course.

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ah ok, thanks. Can't blame the organisor in this case. Between a rock and a hard place it seems.

Its a pity because a cross continent (across Americas) invite flow for the most exposed events would be a good thing.

Anyway lets see if TJVG can ignite the local fans.
 
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A shame for us fans that Horner won't be racing, but it's probably better for the image of this race.
 
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maxmartin said:
TJVG should win this against such weak field, therefore winning his first world tour stage race. Maybe my boy Degendt or Westra can throw some resistance.

Vacansoleil is bringing a pretty good team, they could have a chance.
 
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El Oso said:
Vacansoleil is bringing a pretty good team, they could have a chance.

yep. Are you going to see the first stage? Since it is practically next to San Diego
 
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Libertine Seguros said:
Since it seems the UCI's edict of making .HC races invite the top 3 ranked teams in the Continental rankings has come to nothing, that's not possible at this time. Utah and Colorado can because they're 2.1-rated, but California as a 2.HC race can only take teams from the top 2 levels, and Continental-ranked teams from the host nation. As a result the only South American team eligible for entry currently has most of its best riders doing the Giro right now. And also, quite a few top South American teams have no UCI status at all, of course.

Must admit I didn't even check, as half of the teams are WT I assumed they were 2.1. I agree the risk of dropping to 2.1, maybe the sponsors won't obligate the big names to turn up and roll around.