2014 Cleanest Peloton Ever

[sniper]

like vaughters said. dopers are now quickly being ostracized from the peloton.

Juan Antonio Flecha ‏@ComounaFlecha 3h
@franmillar that's really bad, specially for such a race, but #catalunya is great

Fran Millar ‏@franmillar
@ComounaFlecha I know really not good!! But looks like a great race in a beautiful country - hope you're well Flecha

 

[Race Radio]

the general consensus was also that bugno and co climbed alpe in 1991 below 40 minutes.
that wasn't the case either.

ferrari as a source lol multiple mistakes on his all recorded ascent times.crrap of a job.
trust him on hematology not climbing records. everyone with his job.

me i don't have any sources like you because myself, i am the source. i timed it myself and verified at least 5 times. 5:45 would mean that furlan was the last of the peloton when poggio began (when i started the clock) which wasn't the case. gewiss was at the front with mercatone,mg and others.

gewiss 1994 is recognized enough. let's not give them records that don't belong to them. they have enough.

You will note that I did not cite Ferrari as the only source, I also had the most popular cycling website in Italy. It is an article dedicated to the 50th year of the Poggio in the course

When you say you timed it what was your source? An edited Youtube clip or were you in a team car that day?

I was living in Italy then, watching it live. It was a shock to everyone watching and the 5:45 time was well discussed in newspapers and magazine for weeks afterward. For me it was a key point where I realized the effect EPO had on the sport

 

[thehog]

Hai ragione. 1994.

At the time they asked "il segreto di Furlan?"

What IS Furlan's secret?

Argentin was the answer! as his pilot!

Then goes on to say he uses Dr. Ferrari and he's not a doping doctor. Claims his progress has been natural and progressive, not sudden.

L' ex campione del mondo e' stato, nella Milano Sanremo, l' abile regista dell' operazione che ha portato Furlan ad effettuare quello splendido scatto sul Poggio

Furlan "clicked" like a light switch. Up and away in such a beautiful way. Splendido scatto! Like a bolt.

http://archiviostorico.corriere.it/1994/marzo/21/segreto_Furlan_Argentin_co_0_94032115815.shtml

and his wife fainted after she saw Furlan on the Poggio, no exaggeration.

Dopo aver festeggiato ad Alassio insieme con la moglie (che e' rimasta vittima di un leggero svenimento: non ha retto all' emozione di vedere il marito solo sul Poggio) Giorgio Furlan si e' concesso ieri una giornata di assoluto riposo.

 

[jens_attacks]

You will note that I did not cite Ferrari as the only source, I also had the most popular cycling website in Italy. It is an article dedicated to the 50th year of the Poggio in the course

When you say you timed it what was your source? An edited Youtube clip or were you in a team car that day?

I was living in Italy then, watching it live. It was a shock to everyone watching and the 5:45 time was well discussed in newspapers and magazine for weeks afterward. For me it was a key point where I realized the effect EPO had on the sport

every other source is crrap then. you will also find 5:22 for furlan lol.
i used 3 different video broadcasts in order to time it and verify it. just to not have someone one day say that i had an edited youtube clip, you can't time from those...
you can't time from a team car better than i can in front of a tv by the way


kudos for you for realizing in 1994 when gewiss was "in yo face" mode.

 

[The Hitch]

As far as the title question goes, watching Alberto Contador and Alejandro Valverde fly away from everyone in Pais Vasco today, I do not doubt it for a second.

 

[Samson777]

http://www.53x12.com/do/show?page=indepth.view&id=92

So I guess some people here will know, but it's new to me.
Ferrari have a forum, where he answers questions on a pretty regular basis it seems. So should anyone wonder, how much orange juice is good for your body, I guess this is the place to ask

In case anyone is interested, here are a few snitches, where Dr. Ferrari comment on some of the guys representing the new clean era:

Ferrari on Rui Costa going for GT overall: Why not ?
He is 27, and is showing an impressive improvement every year.
Of course he has still to improve in long climbs and TT

Ferrari on Casani as Italian national coach:
Davide has a long experience and a good knowledge of the world of cycling.
If he will be able to show "carisma"
and to stay "superpartes" , I think he will be the right choice.

Ferrari on Froome before the tour (2013): I do not think Froome is utilizing banned substances or methods.
Then Ferrari should have also made an oppinion after the tour, but I can't seem to find it.

Ferrari on Horner( I borrow a translation from a poster on Ferraris forum, since my italian is worthless): Horner climbed Pena Cabarga (545 m in altitude gain with a grade of 9%) in 16 '42 ", generating a VAM = 1958m / h at 6.75 w / kg.
Nibali's data, in comparison, are: 17'07 ", 1912m / h, 6.59w/kg.
Horner performance is not without previous precedent: see my comment, "Horner Vs Contador" of 21 May 2011 -- he generated a VAM = 2015 m / h, in a similar climb (5 km at 10.6% grade, again at sea level) .
Horner has always been very strong on short and steep climbs (more so than Nibali) but his career has been marred by unfortunate accidents and injuries. While he has raced mainly outside European cycling,
those in the U.S. are well aware of his skills as a climber.

 

[EnacheV]

Alto de Arrate (steepest 4.35 km, 9.20 %, 400 m) | #Itzulia

2009 | Contador: 12:15
2010 | Horner, S.Sanchez: 12:35
2011 | Tondo: 13:10
2012 | Horner, S.Sanchez, Rodriguez: 13:11
2012 | Contador, Valverde, Rodriguez, Froome: 13:03
2013 | Spilak: 13:39

So after the cheat got busted there is a slight trend of slower speed. Let's see how fast the cheat goes today.

 

[Benotti69]

Alto de Arrate (steepest 4.35 km, 9.20 %, 400 m) | #Itzulia

2009 | Contador: 12:15
2010 | Horner, S.Sanchez: 12:35
2011 | Tondo: 13:10
2012 | Horner, S.Sanchez, Rodriguez: 13:11
2012 | Contador, Valverde, Rodriguez, Froome: 13:03
2013 | Spilak: 13:39

So after the cheat got busted there is a slight trend of slower speed. Let's see how fast the cheat goes today.

Which cheat would that be? All i see are cheats on the above list!

 

[burning]

Alto de Arrate (steepest 4.35 km, 9.20 %, 400 m) | #Itzulia

2009 | Contador: 12:15
2010 | Horner, S.Sanchez: 12:35
2011 | Tondo: 13:10
2012 | Horner, S.Sanchez, Rodriguez: 13:11
2012 | Contador, Valverde, Rodriguez, Froome: 13:03
2013 | Spilak: 13:39

So after the cheat got busted there is a slight trend of slower speed. Let's see how fast the cheat goes today.

1. Lance Armstrong ______ USA | 48:33 | 2002
2. Chris Froome _________ GBR | 48:35 | 2013
3. Andy Schleck _________ LUX | 48.57 | 2009
4. Alberto Contador _____ ESP | 48:57 | 2009

1. Roberto Laiseka ______ ESP | 22:57 | 2001
2. Lance Armstrong ______ USA | 22:59 | 2001
3. Chris Froome _________ GBR | 23:14 | 2013

Slower speeds indeed.

 

[the sceptic]

Alto de Arrate (steepest 4.35 km, 9.20 %, 400 m) | #Itzulia

2009 | Contador: 12:15
2010 | Horner, S.Sanchez: 12:35
2011 | Tondo: 13:10
2012 | Horner, S.Sanchez, Rodriguez: 13:11
2012 | Contador, Valverde, Rodriguez, Froome: 13:03
2013 | Spilak: 13:39

So after the cheat got busted there is a slight trend of slower speed. Let's see how fast the cheat goes today.

If he goes faster than Horner it means he had a tailwind.

 

[EnacheV]

1. Lance Armstrong ______ USA | 48:33 | 2002
2. Chris Froome _________ GBR | 48:35 | 2013
3. Andy Schleck _________ LUX | 48.57 | 2009
4. Alberto Contador _____ ESP | 48:57 | 2009

1. Roberto Laiseka ______ ESP | 22:57 | 2001
2. Lance Armstrong ______ USA | 22:59 | 2001
3. Chris Froome _________ GBR | 23:14 | 2013

Slower speeds indeed.

extracting one (1) single climb , from a point (last xx km not all climb), it's lolz

rest of samples shows slower speeds

after the cheat got bust 2011-2013 were relatively clean, people got scared a little

now 2014 its like 2000 all over again

 

[the sceptic]

Hesjedal seems to struggle to keep up with the new clean generation.

Weird, considering he only doped once and doping barely works on garmin riders.

 

[Cyivel]

Alto de Arrate (steepest 4.35 km, 9.20 %, 400 m) | #Itzulia

2009 | Contador: 12:15
2010 | Horner, S.Sanchez: 12:35
2011 | Tondo: 13:10
2012 | Horner, S.Sanchez, Rodriguez: 13:11
2012 | Contador, Valverde, Rodriguez, Froome: 13:03
2013 | Spilak: 13:39

So after the cheat got busted there is a slight trend of slower speed. Let's see how fast the cheat goes today.

Poels did it in 13:10

 

[Afrank]

Well, there's your answer Enache. Contador 13:13, 10 seconds slower then Froome in 2012. Contador is cleans.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Alto de Arrate (steepest 4.35 km, 9.20 %, 400 m) | #Itzulia

2009 | Contador: 12:15
2010 | Horner, S.Sanchez: 12:35
2011 | Tondo: 13:10
2012 | Horner, S.Sanchez, Rodriguez: 13:11
2012 | Contador, Valverde, Rodriguez, Froome: 13:03
2013 | Spilak: 13:39

So after the cheat got busted there is a slight trend of slower speed. Let's see how fast the cheat goes today.

extracting one (1) single climb , from a point (last xx km not all climb), it's lolz

rest of samples shows slower speeds

after the cheat got bust 2011-2013 were relatively clean, people got scared a little

now 2014 its like 2000 all over again

Stop whining EnacheV. Your beloved Froomey is just as doped as Contador.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Well, there's your answer Enache. Contador 13:13, 10 seconds slower then Froome in 2012. Contador is cleans.

Almost a minute slower than in 2009! It seems like "the cheat" is clean!

 

[Benotti69]

extracting one (1) single climb , from a point (last xx km not all climb), it's lolz

rest of samples shows slower speeds

after the cheat got bust 2011-2013 were relatively clean, people got scared a little

now 2014 its like 2000 all over again

relatively clean still equates to doping.

So you admit Sky were relatively doped. I disagree, they were super doped.

 

[Gung Ho Gun]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9aLTg_F_bc

Sooooooo clean in 2011

 

[EnacheV]

Well, there's your answer Enache. Contador 13:13, 10 seconds slower then Froome in 2012. Contador is cleans.

Originally Posted by Angliru
Additonally it was revealed that there was a headwind on the final climb that deterred anyone from being able to make their attack stick. I'm rather shocked at all the name calling and statements of riders being "pathetic" from this thread because the contenders didn't entertain to the level of expectations of some folk.

Cleans as my socks after a football game.

 

[Afrank]

@ammattipyoraily 18s
#ParisRoubaix, winner's avg. speed:
2007: 42.19 Kph
2008: 43.41
2009: 41.34
2010: 39.33
2011: 42.13
2012: 43.48
2013: 44.19
2014: 41.79

 

[del1962]

@ammattipyoraily 18s
#ParisRoubaix, winner's avg. speed:
2007: 42.19 Kph
2008: 43.41
2009: 41.34
2010: 39.33
2011: 42.13
2012: 43.48
2013: 44.19
2014: 41.79

I guess the answer is blowing in the wind

 

[The Hitch]

@ammattipyoraily 18s
#ParisRoubaix, winner's avg. speed:
2007: 42.19 Kph
2008: 43.41
2009: 41.34
2010: 39.33
2011: 42.13
2012: 43.48
2013: 44.19
2014: 41.79

What's this supposed to mean?

 

[Netserk]

What's this supposed to mean?

The winner's average speed perhaps?

 

[Afrank]

What's this supposed to mean?

Nothing, that was stupid to bother with posting that here. Just ignore it, didn't look close enough at it before posting (mind was preocupied with doing some other stuff at the same time). My mistake.

 

[Nicko.]

PR

Was it just me, or where they all downing energy gels today like they were out of juice...?