2015 Giro d'Italia, stage 1: S.Lorenzo al Mare – Sanremo TTT

[Red Rick]

TTT's are super hard for everyone, it's pretty normal to explode if you suddenly have to close an unanticipated gap

 

[Taxus4a]

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tinkoff looks insanely strong. Maybe they will do a sky esque TTT through this entire giro.

They have the people to do it as well SKY has sometimes the people to to that, not really surprising.
Basso was a problem today, but he will be very important in some stages at the end.
Tinkoff is the strongest team of the Giro, if someone had doubts.

But in 59,2 ITT nobody will be there to help Alberto.

 

[staubsauger]

Well it was pretty clear, that this Giro is gonna be Aru vs. Contador!

***edited by mod***

Oh and big thank you to Dutch NOS for saying there's Giro live coverage when actually there's hockey on. I would have headed off into a sports bar if I had known!

 

[rhubroma]

Re: Re:

tinkoff looks insanely strong. Maybe they will do a sky esque TTT through this entire giro.

They have the people to do it as well SKY has sometimes the people to to that, not really surprising.
Basso was a problem today, but he will be very important in some stages at the end.
Tinkoff is the strongest team of the Giro, if someone had doubts.

But in 59,2 ITT nobody will be there to help Alberto.

True but the course TT course is not to his disadvantage and it wouldn't surprise me if he put time on his rivals, or, at the very least, ride a good TT.

 

[rainman]

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Well it was pretty clear, that this Giro is gonna be Aru vs. Contador!

I guess LaFlo was right about Tinkov being a sexist! There can't be any other reason Tinkoff hired Basso, than for his slutty sister being around to suck Oleg's coq!

Oh and big thank you to Dutch NOS for saying there's Giro live coverage when actually there's hockey on. I would have headed off into a sports bar if I had known!

Thanks, you gave me a laugh on an otherwise boring afternoon

 

[T-Nielsen]

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It looked like Contador came off the front and thought Basso would come trough, meanwhile Basso was cooked and wanted Contador to jump in again in front of him. Hence Alberto had to close a gap.

alberto was one of the worst of his team. he did the shortest relays and when he had to close a gap he exploded immediately.

What a load of drivel.

He was taking strong turns and the gap occurred because he felt good and wanted to pull Basso up with him. It was a mistake, but it was sign of strenght not weakness.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

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anyone has a full result up yet?

still nowhere? that gazzetta website is beyond terrible again this year

 

[Taxus4a]

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Tinkoff
Astana
Sky
Movistar
Orica
Ettixx

1º Orica-GreenEdge 19:26
2º Tinkoff-Saxo 19:33
3º Astana 19:39
4º Etixx-Quick Step 19:45
5º Movistar 19:47
6º IAM Cycling 19:51
7º BMC 19:51
8º Sky 19:53


I wanst bad. I though Orica wanst so good without Turf, but they are expert in this TTT, and I hope a little bit better SKY, but the rest it was as I thougt. I waited more for Cannondale Garmin.

You didn't get a single team right

It is more a question to put some teams better than others than to put the correct place. I think most of the people though SKY will be better than Astana, and i see Tinkoff the best team of the GC, so I wanst bad, but I didnt say I was good , I didnt put money in Zweeler for that, but I will do in some stages for sure.

 

[Cance > TheRest]

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It looked like Contador came off the front and thought Basso would come trough, meanwhile Basso was cooked and wanted Contador to jump in again in front of him. Hence Alberto had to close a gap.

alberto was one of the worst of his team. he did the shortest relays and when he had to close a gap he exploded immediately.

Yes cause that is obviously what happened. You must be kidding

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

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It looked like Contador came off the front and thought Basso would come trough, meanwhile Basso was cooked and wanted Contador to jump in again in front of him. Hence Alberto had to close a gap.

alberto was one of the worst of his team. he did the shortest relays and when he had to close a gap he exploded immediately.

What a load of drivel.

He was taking strong turns and the gap occurred because he felt good and wanted to pull Basso up with him. It was a mistake, but it was sign of strenght not weakness.

he was taking the shortest turns. go count them and he blew up when closing a gap.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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It looked like Contador came off the front and thought Basso would come trough, meanwhile Basso was cooked and wanted Contador to jump in again in front of him. Hence Alberto had to close a gap.

alberto was one of the worst of his team. he did the shortest relays and when he had to close a gap he exploded immediately.

What a load of drivel.

He was taking strong turns and the gap occurred because he felt good and wanted to pull Basso up with him. It was a mistake, but it was sign of strenght not weakness.

Agree 100%
Did not see Berto a lot but he looked good.

Awww Chavito on TV just now on RAI

 

[Big Doopie]

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But in 59,2 ITT nobody will be there to help Alberto.

doesn't the ITT come right after the second rest day.

no problem there.

contador is always much stronger after the second rest day than any of his rivals.

 

[Eagle]

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anyone has a full result up yet?

still nowhere? that gazzetta website is beyond terrible again this year

Just the top 10 so far, but should be updated soon
http://www.procyclingstats.com/race/Giro_d_Italia_2015_Stage_1_General_Classification

 

[Taxus4a]

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tinkoff looks insanely strong. Maybe they will do a sky esque TTT through this entire giro.

They have the people to do it as well SKY has sometimes the people to to that, not really surprising.
Basso was a problem today, but he will be very important in some stages at the end.
Tinkoff is the strongest team of the Giro, if someone had doubts.

But in 59,2 ITT nobody will be there to help Alberto.

True but the course TT course is not to his disadvantage and it wouldn't surprise me if he put time on his rivals, or, at the very least, ride a good TT.

He shoudl put time to all his rivals except Rigo and Porte, other way very bad for him. Contador is very good in 20-30 Km long ITT, but not so good in long ITT, even in his golden years, althoug he won a 40 ITT to Cancellara and Wiggins in the Tour de France (with Cancellara the wind changed and helped Contador, but with Wiggins no significative), so, that Contador would be the favourite to win this ITT. We will see. Maybe he is the first favourtite to win that ITT for a lot of people and betting webs...

What I said is that day nobody will help him and we will see his real potential, today we just can speculate if he were more or less strong. He said he is a little short on shape and he put some time on his rivals today, so he is more favorurite to win the Giro today than yesterday.

 

[Eyeballs Out]

Surpisingly IAM were the fastest team on the second half. Wonder if they had a problem on the first half or just went off too slow

 

[arvc40]

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It looked like Contador came off the front and thought Basso would come trough, meanwhile Basso was cooked and wanted Contador to jump in again in front of him. Hence Alberto had to close a gap.

alberto was one of the worst of his team. he did the shortest relays and when he had to close a gap he exploded immediately.

What a load of drivel.

He was taking strong turns and the gap occurred because he felt good and wanted to pull Basso up with him. It was a mistake, but it was sign of strenght not weakness.

This...............

 

[Rollthedice]

Oleg's boys kind of expected to do well but to me Astana was the big surprise with Aru crossing the line first. Fun times ahead.

 

[T-Nielsen]

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It looked like Contador came off the front and thought Basso would come trough, meanwhile Basso was cooked and wanted Contador to jump in again in front of him. Hence Alberto had to close a gap.

alberto was one of the worst of his team. he did the shortest relays and when he had to close a gap he exploded immediately.

What a load of drivel.

He was taking strong turns and the gap occurred because he felt good and wanted to pull Basso up with him. It was a mistake, but it was sign of strenght not weakness.

he was taking the shortest turns. go count them and he blew up when closing a gap.

That's not going to become the truth no matter how many times and in how many threads you write it.

 

[Jagartrott]

Confirmation bias galore her, as per usual.

 

[rhubroma]

Re: Re:

tinkoff looks insanely strong. Maybe they will do a sky esque TTT through this entire giro.

They have the people to do it as well SKY has sometimes the people to to that, not really surprising.
Basso was a problem today, but he will be very important in some stages at the end.
Tinkoff is the strongest team of the Giro, if someone had doubts.

But in 59,2 ITT nobody will be there to help Alberto.

True but the course TT course is not to his disadvantage and it wouldn't surprise me if he put time on his rivals, or, at the very least, ride a good TT.

He shoudl put time to all his rivals except Rigo and Porte, other way very bad for him. Contador is very good in 20-30 Km long ITT, but not so good in long ITT, even in his golden years, althoug he won a 40 ITT to Cancellara and Wiggins in the Tour de France (with Cancellara the wind changed and helped Contador, but with Wiggins no significative), so, that Contador would be the favourite to win this ITT. We will see. Maybe he is the first favourtite to win that ITT for a lot of people and betting webs...

What I said is that day nobody will help him and we will see his real potential, today we just can speculate if he were more or less strong. He said he is a little short on shape and he put some time on his rivals today, so he is more favorurite to win the Giro today than yesterday.

I'm not saying he will win the TT, but that he can do a good performance. How good depends on his rivals, but remember it is after 14 stages and Contador has shown that he rides well in the third week. The distance doesn't concern me in the sense that even Porte or Uran have to deal with it and a 60 k is quite rare in today's cycling so it's not a given that they will ride super throughout.

At any rate, in the post race interview AC seemed more tense than usual. Considering he gained time on all his rivals, I wonder if it is connected to a dynamic with the team and Oleg. If the guy, Oleg, had any class, he would get out of the team car and let the guys hired to do their jobs get on with their work. The guy is an unsupportably arrogant idiot.

 

[Flamin]

Ryo actually has a point. In the 2nd part you see Alberto taking 2 short pulls and even skipping one. In the 1st he does a long one (around the intermediate check) and more we don't see. So I'm actually pretty curious why some people say Ryo is talking nonsense and claiming Alberto was doing strong pulls.

 

[PremierAndrew]

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It looked like Contador came off the front and thought Basso would come trough, meanwhile Basso was cooked and wanted Contador to jump in again in front of him. Hence Alberto had to close a gap.

alberto was one of the worst of his team. he did the shortest relays and when he had to close a gap he exploded immediately.

What a load of drivel.

He was taking strong turns and the gap occurred because he felt good and wanted to pull Basso up with him. It was a mistake, but it was sign of strenght not weakness.

he was taking the shortest turns. go count them and he blew up when closing a gap.

That's not going to become the truth no matter how many times and in how many threads you write it.

Watch it again. Initially I thought Basso blew out but actually, Contador had a small gap to close, cracked, and the gap kept expanding, costing his team the stage win

 

[Jagartrott]

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Ryo actually has a point. In the 2nd part you see Alberto taking 2 short pulls and even skipping one. In the 1st he does a long one (around the intermediate check) and more we don't see. So I'm actually pretty curious why some people say Ryo is talking nonsense and claiming Alberto was doing strong pulls.

Like I said, everyone sees what he/she wants to see.
But no-one can make any real conclusions, only the riders themselves. And even then - it's the first of 21 days of racing. So much can change. Personally, I wouldn't really make the conclusion Contador was strong. But weak - that could also be reading too much into it.

 

[Netserk]

@ryo and others

full results: http://www.gazzetta.it/Giroditalia/2015/it/tappa/01/classifiche/generali/?t=01?lang=it

The stage results only show teams, which is why I linked to the general classification.

 

[LaFlorecita]

This reminds me of 2011 Giro when people thought Alberto was weak because he left a small gap on the first uphill finish