2015 Giro d'Italia Stage 15: Marostica–Madonna di Campiglio

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Nice ride by Konig BTW. LOL he seemed a little annoyed at all the Porte questions after the stage. He could be a team leader for almost any other WT team, why sign with the Dark Side?
 
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Contador is either:

taking it easy
not in a very good form
still has pains in his shoulder (s)
can't climb as he used to do

because he couldn't distance his main opponent, was beaten fair and square by an Astana dom and finished with Trofimov.
 
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TheGreenMonkey said:
Did Contador tell Aru to let Landa chase down Trofimov to get the stage or he would attack drop Aru and win the stage himself?

That's always a possibility but Contador looked to be genuinely tired from answering all the attacks.
 
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IamIronMan said:
Nice ride by Konig BTW. LOL he seemed a little annoyed at all the Porte questions after the stage. He could be a team leader for almost any other WT team, why sign with the Dark Side?

Money.

Cycling is hardly the best payed sport there is. The difference between what Sky offered and any other offer could easily have been life changing. I can hardly blame someone for signing with Sky if it means he's set for life because of 1 contract (also see Sagan <> Tinkoff).
 
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hrotha said:
Hugo Koblet said:
hrotha said:
Astana was simply embarrassing today.
Why? They achieved their goal. Nicely done.
Sure, if "trying to win the Giro" is not among their goals.

And if it isn't, I find it rather embarrassing by itself.
I disagree. The Giro is cooked. Anything that Astana did was not going to work anyway. And Aru was weaker so no need to do anything out of the ordinary but to win the stage. I saw nothing to tell me that they were going to dispatch Contador. Nothing.
 
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Escarabajo said:
Arnout said:
What's the Giro's obsession with Hesjedal? Still because he won a number of years ago?

He is still a great rider with great aerobic capacity. He was just behind the front group riding on a good pace passing riders. I was impressed. And now don't understand why people keep criticizing him.

I'm not, he's entertaining to watch, just wondered what's up.
 
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Rollthedice said:
Contador is either:

taking it easy
not in a very good form
still has pains in his shoulder (s)
can't climb as he used to do

because he couldn't distance his main opponent, was beaten fair and square by an Astana dom and finished with Trofimov.

And was by far the best in the ITT. Give me one ITT where contador did really really well and wasn't the best climber?

Besides it's only 1 stage, nibali was dropped by pinot on the pailheres last year but still by far the best climber.
 
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Angliru said:
TheGreenMonkey said:
Did Contador tell Aru to let Landa chase down Trofimov to get the stage or he would attack drop Aru and win the stage himself?

That's always a possibility but Contador looked to be genuinely tired from answering all the attacks.
He looked super relaxed directly after the stage :confused:
 
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Contador might have had to push things a little bit a couple of times but he was playing with Aru, he could have dropped Aru easily, so could have Landa. Maybe Contador does not want to make Landa is main rival but wants him to tied Aru. Contador will have no problem beating Landa but he might have to do a bit more to keep up with Landa than Aru.
 
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LaFlorecita said:
Angliru said:
TheGreenMonkey said:
Did Contador tell Aru to let Landa chase down Trofimov to get the stage or he would attack drop Aru and win the stage himself?

That's always a possibility but Contador looked to be genuinely tired from answering all the attacks.
He looked super relaxed directly after the stage :confused:

He doesn't have to be extremely tired to lack explosiveness. It's not like he couldn't follow Landa over 5km it was over a short 500m burst. I have no idea if he was stronger or not, but it's not that hard to fathom that he lacked the burst when Landa went without him really hurting or being off form.
 
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What the hell is wrong with Landa? He kind of attacked three or four times and exposed Aru in the process.

To me it looked like Astana and Tinkers agreed to let an Astana rider win the stage.
 
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Escarabajo said:
I disagree. The Giro is cooked. No need to argue about it. Anything that Astana did was not going to work anyway. And Aru was weaker so no need to do anything out of the ordinary but to win the stage. I saw nothing to tell me that they were going to dispatch Contador. Nothing.
Of course you saw nothing of the sort, because there was NO WAY what they were doing could possibly succeed in putting serious time on Contador.

They could have isolated Contador (which they did) and then launched Landa and a domestique on the false flat. But that would have implied taking at least some risks.

It's sad enough that teams can't even conceive of a tactic that's not "follow wheels until the last 5 km", but when fans and journalists do it too it breaks my heart.
 
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SeriousSam said:
LaFlorecita said:
red_flanders said:
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Why the hell did Contador not attack?

He did. Landa marked him easily.
I know what it looks like when he attacks, and I did not see it today.
Against non-Landas, today's measured attack would have worked. Maybe he doesn't want to burn all the matches. Clearly, that would be necessary to get rid of Landa who is climbing super strong. If indeed he an drop Landa.

He also could be thinking ahead to the upcoming mtf's anticipating having to deal with Astana's strong team with little if any support of his own. Tinkoff-Saxo was pretty sad in supporting Contador.
 
Am I the only one who thought Contador wanted the stage today but was not as strong as Landa .....Landa definitely strongest climber so in this race

Konig could have ridden for anyone but chose SKY and I think he will get his chance when he has proved it to David Brailsford ...
 
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Contador tired :D

Meanwhile in the mixed zone, holding his longest interview thus far, joking and laughing, while confirming what i already said he was more focused at Aru then Landa due to GC. But Landa was strong today and won far and square.

And, oh, the margin seems to be bigger to closest rival then it was yesterday.
 
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The_Cheech said:
What the hell is wrong with Landa? He kind of attacked three or four times and exposed Aru in the process.

To me it looked like Astana and Tinkers agreed to let an Astana rider win the stage.

The only thing that is wrong with Landa is that he's stronger than Aru. Based on the mountain so far the only way Aru ends up ahead of Landa in Milan is if Landa is forced to way. This way they got a shot at being 2/3 in Milan, as they still dropped everyone but Contador.
 
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König is another reminder why I hate Sky (and used to hate USPS)...

They use their massive budget to buy talented riders like König, Nieve (who looks absolutely demotivated), Poels etc., but will never commit to them. It have to be Anglo-Saxon rider as captain or nothing...

At least Astana, Katusha, Tinkoff are ready to give the limelight to whomever deserves it in their squad.
 
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Rollthedice said:
Contador is either:

taking it easy
not in a very good form
still has pains in his shoulder (s)
can't climb as he used to do

because he couldn't distance his main opponent, was beaten fair and square by an Astana dom and finished with Trofimov.

Come on folks, he's already said that he is trying to win the double this year. It's not about taking off and putting as much time as the legs allow on every stage, it's about winning the Giro, regardless of the time margin.

Moreover, the Giro people named a section of the Mortirolo after him, which means he is going to have to attack. Alberto's goals are on the third week. He knows Aru is starting to crumble.
 
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HelloDolly said:
Am I the only one who thought Contador wanted the stage today but was not as strong as Landa .....Landa definitely strongest climber so in this race

Konig could have ridden for anyone but chose SKY and I think he will get his chance when he has proved it to David Brailsford ...
If he wanted the stage, he would have attacked. Either he wants the Mortirolo or Finestre stage, or he simply doesn't care if he wins the race without any stages.
 
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Rollthedice said:
Contador is either:

taking it easy
not in a very good form
still has pains in his shoulder (s)
can't climb as he used to do

because he couldn't distance his main opponent, was beaten fair and square by an Astana dom and finished with Trofimov.

He could easily distance his main opponent. He just couldn't distance Landa, and the tactics suggested there was no point in dragging him to the line to potentially get outsprinted.
 
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LaFlorecita said:
HelloDolly said:
Am I the only one who thought Contador wanted the stage today but was not as strong as Landa .....Landa definitely strongest climber so in this race

Konig could have ridden for anyone but chose SKY and I think he will get his chance when he has proved it to David Brailsford ...
If he wanted the stage, he would have attacked.

Well he just said on Eurosport that he was beaten by Landa and he didn't give it away

But of course you are unbiased