2015 Giro d'Italia Stage 15: Marostica–Madonna di Campiglio

[The_Cheech]

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It's tricky I agree. Landa should only go if Contador doesn't follow, but that will hardly happen after today

See? You do understand.

 

[The_Cheech]

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And one more thing, you mentioned Lance/Contador example in 2009. Tell me who ended higher in GC, leader or domestique?

Dude, what TV channel were you watching in 2009? Lance and Alberto went to the TdF as co-leaders. It wasn't until after the Verbier stage that Armstrong publicly conceded that Alberto was a much better prospect than him, although he never conceded the co-leader status.

If you are insinuating that today's stage was Landa's Verbier or that Landa is to Aru what Contador was to Lance... W. O. W.

I'm going to sit back and see how you're going to get yourself out of this one.

 

[No_Balls]

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Landa is a shocking time trialist so that's not a surprise. He does however appear to be the strongest climber in this race which must be embarrassing for Contador and his fans.

Why would it be embarrasing? 😕 I am more then pleased because everything this far is going as i have hoped for the prospect of a double.

 

[Mr.White]

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And one more thing, you mentioned Lance/Contador example in 2009. Tell me who ended higher in GC, leader or domestique?

Dude, what TV channel were you watching in 2009? Lance and Alberto went to the TdF as co-leaders. It wasn't until after the Verbier stage that Armstrong publicly conceded that Alberto was a much better prospect than him, although he never conceded the co-leader status.

If you are insinuating that today's stage was Landa's Verbier or that Landa is to Aru what Contador was to Lance... W. O. W.

I'm going to sit back and see how you're going to get yourself out of this one.

I'm not insinuating nothing, you named this example, so I'm asking you who ended up better?

They were co-leaders in public, in reality Lance was undisputed leader and whole team worked for him, until Contador crushed everybody on Verbier. If you don't believe me go check what Contador himself says about that Tour

 

[red_flanders]

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We still don't know whether Contador is the strongest climber in the Giro. This Mikel Landa guy is going super strong.

Landa didn't exactly put in a sterling effort yesterday.

Landa is a shocking time trialist so that's not a surprise. He does however appear to be the strongest climber in this race which must be embarrassing for Contador and his fans.

Only if Contador went all out, which he himself and his fans know to be untrue 😀 just wait, he might never show it this race, but he'll show it at the Tour and he'll crush yer boy Froome 😀

Of course he went all out! He tried to drop Landa and his fellow Spaniard responded easily. Imagine what will happen when he is up against Quintana, Nibali and Froome in July. It will be a bloodbath.

Because of course his form now is exactly the same as his form will be in July.

 

[bala v]

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Well it seems to me that you're the one who's not following cycling, at least not for long, or you simply don't understand it.
If the leader is weaker than top domestique, well than you have the wrong leader, which will be a case with Aru who is weaker than Landa especially on the climbs and could easily finish behind him in the GC. Leadership isn't eternal, you could change it during the race, you know.
Contador went after Landa exactly because it was him, he decided to marked them both, because they're both threats in the GC, as you can see, one is 2nd the other is 4th
Contador did attacked, in case you didn't noticed, it was counter move to Landa's first attack, when he saw that Aru is dropped, and he eased off only when he saw he can't drop Landa, he didn't want to risk a counter move
Landa attack accomplished little in terms of GC, i agree, he should of attacked way earlier, but probably his team didn't let him. But he accomplished much in terms of self confidence, he knows now that he can fight with Contador in mountains, and if Martinelli is smart he will play on both cards, him and Aru, cause this is the only way they can hope to beat Contador. If they ride strictly for Aru, it's a game over
Landa is not a one-hit wonder, that's exactly why I think you don't following cycling much, he was always a talented climber, back in his Euskaltel days, he just hasn't proven himself in GT's till now.
And so what if everyone sees it, you think Contador didn't knew that. What if for example Contador goes, Aru can't follow, but Landa can, what would you do if you are Martinelli, what would you say? My guess is that you would say to Landa to pace Aru and minimize the damage, because Aru is freaking leader! The road decides who the leader is. What about Richie Porte, he's the leader in Sky, why didn't Konig paced him today? By your logic he should

The funny thing is that I don't disagree with some of the things that are being said, it's that you're talking as though I disagree. Huh?

First of all, if you were a genuine cycling fan, that there are multiple cases of domestiques being stronger than their leaders (Delgado/Indurain, LeMond/Hinault, Lance/Contador, Froome/Wiggins, et cetera) wouldn't come as a surprise. Or that changing leaders in mid-competition is BAAAAAAAD idea. Especially when one is a proven leader (Aru impressed many in last year's Vuelta, Landa hasn't done anything).

Now, if you think it would be a good idea to change the Italian leader of a team in an Italian cycling competition just because the domestique happened to go faster in ONE frigging climb (meanwhile he got eaten alive in the ITT the day before,) pardon me for being condescending, but you understand neither cycling nor real life. Sometimes rational human beings say really delusional things.

And do me a favor, next time watch your grammar and split up your paragraphs so that I understand your line of logic. You go from cycling to making tomato soup in a period and a comma.

Im curious, who was domestique for who?

 

[gregrowlerson]

Carnage.

Time gaps extraordinary.

 

[Gigs_98]

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And one more thing, you mentioned Lance/Contador example in 2009. Tell me who ended higher in GC, leader or domestique?

Dude, what TV channel were you watching in 2009? Lance and Alberto went to the TdF as co-leaders. It wasn't until after the Verbier stage that Armstrong publicly conceded that Alberto was a much better prospect than him, although he never conceded the co-leader status.

If you are insinuating that today's stage was Landa's Verbier or that Landa is to Aru what Contador was to Lance... W. O. W.

I'm going to sit back and see how you're going to get yourself out of this one.

I'm not insinuating nothing, you named this example, so I'm asking you who ended up better?

They were co-leaders in public, in reality Lance was undisputed leader and whole team worked for him, until Contador crushed everybody on Verbier. If you don't believe me go check what Contador himself says about that Tour

Contador won the tour 2007 and the giro,vuelta double 2008. Do you really think he was employed at astana just for playing domestique for lance? Take this years moviestar tour team as an example. Everyone is talking about quintana but if valverde is stronger and suddenly alejandro is their nr.1 leader that doesn´t mean He was a domestique for quintana before

 

[Miburo]

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And one more thing, you mentioned Lance/Contador example in 2009. Tell me who ended higher in GC, leader or domestique?

Dude, what TV channel were you watching in 2009? Lance and Alberto went to the TdF as co-leaders. It wasn't until after the Verbier stage that Armstrong publicly conceded that Alberto was a much better prospect than him, although he never conceded the co-leader status.

If you are insinuating that today's stage was Landa's Verbier or that Landa is to Aru what Contador was to Lance... W. O. W.

I'm going to sit back and see how you're going to get yourself out of this one.

I'm not insinuating nothing, you named this example, so I'm asking you who ended up better?

They were co-leaders in public, in reality Lance was undisputed leader and whole team worked for him, until Contador crushed everybody on Verbier. If you don't believe me go check what Contador himself says about that Tour

Contador won the tour 2007 and the giro,vuelta double 2008. Do you really think he was employed at astana just for playing domestique for lance? Take this years moviestar tour team as an example. Everyone is talking about quintana but if valverde is stronger and suddenly alejandro is their nr.1 leader that doesn´t mean He was a domestique for quintana before

What a terrible example. Lance wasn't even in the team during that time 😱

 

[The_Cheech]

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And one more thing, you mentioned Lance/Contador example in 2009. Tell me who ended higher in GC, leader or domestique?

Dude, what TV channel were you watching in 2009? Lance and Alberto went to the TdF as co-leaders. It wasn't until after the Verbier stage that Armstrong publicly conceded that Alberto was a much better prospect than him, although he never conceded the co-leader status.

If you are insinuating that today's stage was Landa's Verbier or that Landa is to Aru what Contador was to Lance... W. O. W.

I'm going to sit back and see how you're going to get yourself out of this one.

I'm not insinuating nothing, you named this example, so I'm asking you who ended up better?

They were co-leaders in public, in reality Lance was undisputed leader and whole team worked for him, until Contador crushed everybody on Verbier. If you don't believe me go check what Contador himself says about that Tour

No, no, no. Read this. I don't care how things played out because the intention, from the beginning, was to have two leaders. The fact that Lance kept on trying to get the team to rally around him is inconsequential. For one, Alberto was much stronger than him and Lance was dangling the contract carrot of his soon-to-be Radio Shack cycling team in front of the riders to get them to side with him. STILL Alberto whooped his a$$.

Again, form-wise, do you think that the gap between Contador and Armstrong is the same as Aru and Landa?

 

[bala v]

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And one more thing, you mentioned Lance/Contador example in 2009. Tell me who ended higher in GC, leader or domestique?

Dude, what TV channel were you watching in 2009? Lance and Alberto went to the TdF as co-leaders. It wasn't until after the Verbier stage that Armstrong publicly conceded that Alberto was a much better prospect than him, although he never conceded the co-leader status.

If you are insinuating that today's stage was Landa's Verbier or that Landa is to Aru what Contador was to Lance... W. O. W.

I'm going to sit back and see how you're going to get yourself out of this one.

I'm not insinuating nothing, you named this example, so I'm asking you who ended up better?

They were co-leaders in public, in reality Lance was undisputed leader and whole team worked for him, until Contador crushed everybody on Verbier. If you don't believe me go check what Contador himself says about that Tour

No, no, no. Read this. I don't care how things played out because the intention, from the beginning, was to have two leaders. The fact that Lance kept on trying to get the team to rally around him is inconsequential. For one, Alberto was much stronger than him and Lance was dangling the contract carrot of his soon-to-be Radio Shack cycling team in front of the riders to get them to side with him. STILL Alberto whooped his a$$.

Again, form-wise, do you think that the gap between Contador and Armstrong is the same as Aru and Landa?

Seems to me that you're playing a smart-ass here. First you named Armstrong/Contador as an example of domestique being stronger than the leader, so I'm asking you AGAIN, cause I already asked once, who was the domestique in that case?!

And second, how come you say now that they were co-leaders, because you already said they were leader and domestique?!

 

[Mr.White]

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And one more thing, you mentioned Lance/Contador example in 2009. Tell me who ended higher in GC, leader or domestique?

Dude, what TV channel were you watching in 2009? Lance and Alberto went to the TdF as co-leaders. It wasn't until after the Verbier stage that Armstrong publicly conceded that Alberto was a much better prospect than him, although he never conceded the co-leader status.

If you are insinuating that today's stage was Landa's Verbier or that Landa is to Aru what Contador was to Lance... W. O. W.

I'm going to sit back and see how you're going to get yourself out of this one.

I'm not insinuating nothing, you named this example, so I'm asking you who ended up better?

They were co-leaders in public, in reality Lance was undisputed leader and whole team worked for him, until Contador crushed everybody on Verbier. If you don't believe me go check what Contador himself says about that Tour

No, no, no. Read this. I don't care how things played out because the intention, from the beginning, was to have two leaders. The fact that Lance kept on trying to get the team to rally around him is inconsequential. For one, Alberto was much stronger than him and Lance was dangling the contract carrot of his soon-to-be Radio Shack cycling team in front of the riders to get them to side with him. STILL Alberto whooped his a$$.

Again, form-wise, do you think that the gap between Contador and Armstrong is the same as Aru and Landa?

It's maybe even bigger, in Landa's favor of course