If Sagan had attacked as they hit the flat section he would have ruined his own chances for a good result. Thomas would have chased him right away and even if Sagan could have managed to stay clear of Thomas and Paolini the sprinters would have caught him in the last 400 metres.
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BMC was executing a really great race until disaster struck. Kristoff's squad did great too.
No blistering attacks because Thomas insisted on staying out there on his own and every rider with a functioning brain is going to let a podium threat wear himself out 20+kms from the finish with a gap that can be closed.
If Thomas quit the solo and got back into the lead group, IMO, it would have been a much different finish.
IndianCyclist said:
BMC was executing a really great race until disaster struck. Kristoff's squad did great too.
No blistering attacks because Thomas insisted on staying out there on his own and every rider with a functioning brain is going to let a podium threat wear himself out 20+kms from the finish with a gap that can be closed.
If Thomas quit the solo and got back into the lead group, IMO, it would have been a much different finish.
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Quite true. Sagan seems to not have a squad he can rely upon to assist him into the last 5Km.
Still, Sagan is a "marked man" more or less, so the rest of the field will never just let him go.
I'm not sure what happened with Omega Pharma whatever. Normally they are quite good at adapting to conditions and rider "sensations."
doperhopper said:
Quite true. Sagan seems to not have a squad he can rely upon to assist him into the last 5Km.
Still, Sagan is a "marked man" more or less, so the rest of the field will never just let him go.
I'm not sure what happened with Omega Pharma whatever. Normally they are quite good at adapting to conditions and rider "sensations."
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Exactly, Thomas was controlling the race from the front perfectly for Swift for all the momenta Swift could have been shelled having to chase his rivals. Thomas clearly wasn't riding for himself as some here think. A fine display of teamwork from Sky. Clearly not the end result for Sky, C'est la vie!
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Clearly Thomas didn't know this. Clearly...
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/thomas- ... he-cobbles
samhocking said:
Clearly Thomas didn't know this. Clearly...
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/thomas- ... he-cobbles
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Ok, but Thomas can't lead Swift out after grinding out the hardest Kms solo. Did Swift have a leadout I did not see? That's an honest question.
IMO, a very poorly conceived plan going so hard, so early, and for so long and end up with a huge group at the line. But, that is typical race strategy for Sky. They seem to formulate a plan and just stick with it no matter what.
See King Boonen's post above!!
argyllflyer said:
Ok, but Thomas can't lead Swift out after grinding out the hardest Kms solo. Did Swift have a leadout I did not see? That's an honest question.
IMO, a very poorly conceived plan going so hard, so early, and for so long and end up with a huge group at the line. But, that is typical race strategy for Sky. They seem to formulate a plan and just stick with it no matter what.
See King Boonen's post above!!
Cav drops chain again. He must be pi55€D off. Came off the outside of the big ring. Must be a front mech/setup issue. Long as Sky don't win I'm happy.
Sagen needs to re think tactics. Should have gone for one a bit like Thomas did.
Sagen needs to re think tactics. Should have gone for one a bit like Thomas did.
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I really like Greg Van Avaermaet (Sp?) and I'd love to see him win a monument. But can someone please explain why he was leading a train that contained none of his teammates? They have race radios, no?
Guy seems like a total work horse and someone who is deserving of a big win. But unless I'm missing something, he seems to do dumb things at the end of races.
Guy seems like a total work horse and someone who is deserving of a big win. But unless I'm missing something, he seems to do dumb things at the end of races.
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Nice win by Johnny ...
What a ride by Luca Paolini once again. Pulling the pack on Poggio just to come back and work for his sprinter. He was the start of the race and he should get some prize for being the best domestique around. I wish Sagan would have somebody like that on his team.
Sagan, once again with no support and starting his sprint waaaaaay back. Oleg is bashing him for late sprint but provides no support. Breschel did nothing for him and was useless.
Too bad Kwiat, Styby and Gillbert crashed ...
Cance waiting for a sprint? As much as I love that guy, lately, he is pretty delusional and truly believes that he is some kind of superman that can out-sprint everyone else.
Cav dropping chain again? Well, thats what happen when money talks and you start using some crap FSA rings just because you got few bucks more.
Overall, well, it is what it is, a sprintfest and thats what we got.
6/10
What a ride by Luca Paolini once again. Pulling the pack on Poggio just to come back and work for his sprinter. He was the start of the race and he should get some prize for being the best domestique around. I wish Sagan would have somebody like that on his team.
Sagan, once again with no support and starting his sprint waaaaaay back. Oleg is bashing him for late sprint but provides no support. Breschel did nothing for him and was useless.
Too bad Kwiat, Styby and Gillbert crashed ...
Cance waiting for a sprint? As much as I love that guy, lately, he is pretty delusional and truly believes that he is some kind of superman that can out-sprint everyone else.
Cav dropping chain again? Well, thats what happen when money talks and you start using some crap FSA rings just because you got few bucks more.
Overall, well, it is what it is, a sprintfest and thats what we got.
6/10
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Just guessing to be honest but they never seem to work together. It's well known GVA and Gilbert aren't very friendly but I think some of it might stem from the fact they only sign big name riders who want to win for themselves. They never seem to work together well in one day races and all seem to be left to their own devices.
the delgados said:
Just guessing to be honest but they never seem to work together. It's well known GVA and Gilbert aren't very friendly but I think some of it might stem from the fact they only sign big name riders who want to win for themselves. They never seem to work together well in one day races and all seem to be left to their own devices.
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This is pretty much spot on. However, more than a "sprint fest," crap shoot is more like it. Still, MSR almost always crowns a champion. That's what makes it the wackiest race in the world.
I'm surprised though that nobody is mentioning Nibali climbing with Griepel on the Poggio while getting dropped!
Jancouver said:Nice win by Johnny ...
What a ride by Luca Paolini once again. Pulling the pack on Poggio just to come back and work for his sprinter. He was the start of the race and he should get some prize for being the best domestique around. I wish Sagan would have somebody like that on his team.
Sagan, once again with no support and starting his sprint waaaaaay back. Oleg is bashing him for late sprint but provides no support. Breschel did nothing for him and was useless.
Too bad Kwiat, Styby and Gillbert crashed ...
Cance waiting for a sprint? As much as I love that guy, lately, he is pretty delusional and truly believes that he is some kind of superman that can out-sprint everyone else.
Cav dropping chain again? Well, thats what happen when money talks and you start using some crap FSA rings just because you got few bucks more.
Overall, well, it is what it is, a sprintfest and thats what we got.
6/10
This is pretty much spot on. However, more than a "sprint fest," crap shoot is more like it. Still, MSR almost always crowns a champion. That's what makes it the wackiest race in the world.
I'm surprised though that nobody is mentioning Nibali climbing with Griepel on the Poggio while getting dropped!
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Reason being is we can't talk about doping outside the clinic. Rules are rules!
rhubroma said:Jancouver said:Nice win by Johnny ...
What a ride by Luca Paolini once again. Pulling the pack on Poggio just to come back and work for his sprinter. He was the start of the race and he should get some prize for being the best domestique around. I wish Sagan would have somebody like that on his team.
Sagan, once again with no support and starting his sprint waaaaaay back. Oleg is bashing him for late sprint but provides no support. Breschel did nothing for him and was useless.
Too bad Kwiat, Styby and Gillbert crashed ...
Cance waiting for a sprint? As much as I love that guy, lately, he is pretty delusional and truly believes that he is some kind of superman that can out-sprint everyone else.
Cav dropping chain again? Well, thats what happen when money talks and you start using some crap FSA rings just because you got few bucks more.
Overall, well, it is what it is, a sprintfest and thats what we got.
6/10
This is pretty much spot on. However, more than a "sprint fest," crap shoot is more like it. Still, MSR almost always crowns a champion. That's what makes it the wackiest race in the world.
I'm surprised though that nobody is mentioning Nibali climbing with Griepel on the Poggio while getting dropped!
Reason being is we can't talk about doping outside the clinic. Rules are rules!
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Sky's was a standard tactic for a race that will normally end in a sprint finish that doesn't allow much, if any leadout organisation? Thomas isn't going to just half attack is he when his moment came, just in case he accidentally wins the race instead of Swift? You attack to win, if it pulls off, great, if not, you kept a team mate out the wind to use his energy as part of another plan for winning later on in the race. Just like other teams, their very aggressive strategy didn't work, but then neither did many teams with only a 500m sprint strategy too.
DirtyWorks said:
Sky's was a standard tactic for a race that will normally end in a sprint finish that doesn't allow much, if any leadout organisation? Thomas isn't going to just half attack is he when his moment came, just in case he accidentally wins the race instead of Swift? You attack to win, if it pulls off, great, if not, you kept a team mate out the wind to use his energy as part of another plan for winning later on in the race. Just like other teams, their very aggressive strategy didn't work, but then neither did many teams with only a 500m sprint strategy too.
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This is clearly different to what you posted before:
Thomas was clearly riding for himself, as he himself says. The fact that it happens to aid Swift is obvious, but he was riding for himself.
samhocking said:
This is clearly different to what you posted before:
samhocking said:
Thomas was clearly riding for himself, as he himself says. The fact that it happens to aid Swift is obvious, but he was riding for himself.
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