Big Doopie said:
At one point Etixx really looked like 90's Mapei with Stannard as a way uncooler Andrei Tchmil taking up the battle. Now they just look like Mapei's *** cousin or something.
Also, Stannard looks pretty cool now. Not Tchmil-cool, though.
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Really fair play to Stannard though, great move to let Boonen dangle out front when he attacked instead of closing him straight down, which is what I personally would have done if I was in his position. (I would just have sat on Boonen's wheel and hoped that Etixx were adament on making sure Boonen won instead of settling for a Terpstra win (Vandenbergh looked too tired to win anyway))
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onicolsorfco said:
I think that is exactly what should have happened. Terpstra was massively at fault as well though - if he'd have waited and launched his sprint with 100-150m to go he would have won easily. It was almost as though he lacked any confidence in his sprint and wanted to do a very short time trial to the line instead!
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they were bad tactics and all but Stannard did a great job bringing back the Boonen attack. he didn't jump on him right away, just let the diesel kick in and slowly brought him back without going into the red. and then Boonen was cooked, so all Stannard had to do was ride Vandenbergh off his wheel and then outsprint Terpstra to the line...and he did, somehow.
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Just to correct the CN article, and to keep the discussion transparant:
1. Terpstra went first. You can just see that move before the TV director switched to a helicopter view of the Ghelamco Arena (football stadium). So this move was not seen by most and not noticed by cycling news.
2. The next moto shot of the lead 4, you see Stannard in front. You would think that Stannard started to make turns if you wouldn't have seen Terpstra go, but at that moment, he just caught Terpstra.
3. This was why Boonen went. He thought that Stannard would be tired, and Vandenbergh was in the wrong position to go (3rd). So when Boonen went, it seemed like an OK move. But it was too early and he had a bridge to go. Stannard put on the gas and Boonen was totally spend from that moment.
4. When Terpstra went, Vandenbergh only thought about keeping the group together. Wrong move but understandable. I guess he also didn't like Terpstra to go first, and he is a good friend of Boonen, who never won this race. Bad move, but not a Roubaix flash-back, Vandenbergh thought.
The rest is history.
1. Terpstra went first. You can just see that move before the TV director switched to a helicopter view of the Ghelamco Arena (football stadium). So this move was not seen by most and not noticed by cycling news.
2. The next moto shot of the lead 4, you see Stannard in front. You would think that Stannard started to make turns if you wouldn't have seen Terpstra go, but at that moment, he just caught Terpstra.
3. This was why Boonen went. He thought that Stannard would be tired, and Vandenbergh was in the wrong position to go (3rd). So when Boonen went, it seemed like an OK move. But it was too early and he had a bridge to go. Stannard put on the gas and Boonen was totally spend from that moment.
4. When Terpstra went, Vandenbergh only thought about keeping the group together. Wrong move but understandable. I guess he also didn't like Terpstra to go first, and he is a good friend of Boonen, who never won this race. Bad move, but not a Roubaix flash-back, Vandenbergh thought.
The rest is history.
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Netserk said:Boonen not able to follow a Stannard attack?
Hahahahahahha
Bushman said:
I was going to post that, but didn't want to rub it in.
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bala v said:
I guess that the only thing understandable, is that Vandenbergh was more concerned keeping things together to support a possible win for Boonen. And maybe VDB thought that Stannard would hesitate to follow his move so he could go alone to Terpstra. Understandable but not clever (=stupid).
Ah, the Lefevere pendulum has swung away from the 'blame your riders for inexcusably poor performance' side to the 'blame everyone else and lie about your opposition like the bitter, jealous petty man you are' side.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/lefevere-laments-stannards-tactics-in-omloop-het-nieuwsblad
One thing I do agree with - with the Terpstra 'attack', watching it again I disagree with a few things that have been said on this thread - 1) Vandenbergh didn't tow Stannard up, there was a clear gap that Stannard had to close (although I suppose it was 1 bike length less than if it was just Terpstra), and 2) I agree with Lefevere that I don't think Vandenbergh thought it was an attack at first. It looked when I was watching it - both the first and second times - like Terprstra went to attack, but didn't really have a lot of speed so for a second it just looked like he was coming over, and so Vandenbergh started to follow, and then when he realized simultaneously that it was an attack and that he had a gap on Stannard, he kept going. It was an unfortunate mistake, but as I said upthread I think it was a mistake for Terpstra to attack when Boonen was on the rivet. Boonen said as much in his interview with the 'they should have just kept working for the sprint' quote.
That's the thing - Terpstra is an opportunistic and selfish rider. When he was with Milram he was 'that guy who goes up the road and always gets caught, to the point that we roll our eyes about it', much like Voeckler circa 2006 was before he learned how to time it right or matured into a strong enough rider. Terpstra has learned how to time it right many times now (like, uh, Roubaix last year, which was perfect) but still goes when he shouldn't. This was one of those cases where he was just a bit selfish, his attack sucked enough that his teammate didn't think it was an attack, but it was enough to put Boonen irreperably in the red... basically a perfect storm of bad ideas.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/lefevere-laments-stannards-tactics-in-omloop-het-nieuwsblad
One thing I do agree with - with the Terpstra 'attack', watching it again I disagree with a few things that have been said on this thread - 1) Vandenbergh didn't tow Stannard up, there was a clear gap that Stannard had to close (although I suppose it was 1 bike length less than if it was just Terpstra), and 2) I agree with Lefevere that I don't think Vandenbergh thought it was an attack at first. It looked when I was watching it - both the first and second times - like Terprstra went to attack, but didn't really have a lot of speed so for a second it just looked like he was coming over, and so Vandenbergh started to follow, and then when he realized simultaneously that it was an attack and that he had a gap on Stannard, he kept going. It was an unfortunate mistake, but as I said upthread I think it was a mistake for Terpstra to attack when Boonen was on the rivet. Boonen said as much in his interview with the 'they should have just kept working for the sprint' quote.
That's the thing - Terpstra is an opportunistic and selfish rider. When he was with Milram he was 'that guy who goes up the road and always gets caught, to the point that we roll our eyes about it', much like Voeckler circa 2006 was before he learned how to time it right or matured into a strong enough rider. Terpstra has learned how to time it right many times now (like, uh, Roubaix last year, which was perfect) but still goes when he shouldn't. This was one of those cases where he was just a bit selfish, his attack sucked enough that his teammate didn't think it was an attack, but it was enough to put Boonen irreperably in the red... basically a perfect storm of bad ideas.
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Pretty easy by the sniffer to indirectly blame Terpstra, when actually his own attack was a complete failure and put him into the red zone. He eventually paid the check for his own mistake and not for the wrongdoings of Terpstra and Vandenbergh!
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Finished watching the race about half an hour ago, but I'm still in shock. What the hell just happened, freakin crazy. Vuelta a Andaluc?awhat?
All this talk about Vandenbergh going after Terpstra, yes that wasn't smart, but for me it was clearly Boonen making the big mistake.
All this talk about Vandenbergh going after Terpstra, yes that wasn't smart, but for me it was clearly Boonen making the big mistake.
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Stannard was so strong. He would have won either way.
But boy wat a *** move by Vandenbergh. I laughed my *** off
But boy wat a *** move by Vandenbergh. I laughed my *** off
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skidmark said:
Well if Boonen thinks they should have working for the sprint, then he should not attack in the first place. Seems like he's blaming someone else for his own mistake.
Terpstra worked numerous times for Boonen, so that statement isn't true, and he was stronger today then him and also no-sprinter, so if someone had to attack it was him.
Boonen has to blame himself for that, hadn't he attacked he would not go into red. As for Vanderbergh he is either a moron or he hates Terpstra pretty much, or probably both
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More Strides than Rides said:I was going to post that, but didn't want to rub it in.
Rub what in? Stannard didn't attack. After Boonen was countered by Terpstra (with Vandenbergh taking Stannard with him) he blew. By post was in response to Stannard himself attacking with Boonen unable to follow.
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bala v said:
To be fair, Boonen wholehartedly admitted that he should not have attacked. But ''you always want more", he said referring to a solo win. It was a case of beeing to greedy.
IMO the largest mistake by a margin was Vandenberghs, followed by Terpstra's sprinttactics. And I am also in doubt if Vandenbergh did not care as much about EQS-win as he did about a Boonen-win or even a Tepstra-loss.
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