2015 tour d'france stage 10: Tarbes › La Pierre-Saint-Martin

[Dekker_Tifosi]

The way Quintana blew his Movistar team to pieces midway the TTT I do not think Froome will win that easily.

 

[Kwibus]

Still, contador was also always isolated during the Giro.
If you are really good you can do without the domestiques and in 2013 Froome simply was the strongest.

 

[Ataraxus]

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The way Quintana blew his Movistar team to pieces midway the TTT I do not think Froome will win that easily.

Quintana will (hopefully) prevent Froome from winning that easily because he is a huge climbing talent, young, and on a possibly steeper improvement curve than the others.
The TTT is of less relevance IMO. Many climbers who stay on the front less and wheelsuck more can put their TT Team to difficulty on a climb in the middle of the parcours.

 

[armchairclimber]

I think that Froome will ride a defensive stage...with the caveat that he'll press home any advantage if he finds himself in contention for the win with 300m to go. I suspect he will be most concerned with the one/two punches of Quintana and Valverde. It wouldn't surprise me to see Valverde win if Froome decides to let him go and mark Quintana.

 

[Flamin]

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The way Quintana blew his Movistar team to pieces midway the TTT I do not think Froome will win that easily.

Except that it was Valverde.

 

[Matteo.]

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I think that Froome will ride a defensive stage...with the caveat that he'll press home any advantage if he finds himself in contention for the win with 300m to go. I suspect he will be most concerned with the one/two punches of Quintana and Valverde. It wouldn't surprise me to see Valverde win if Froome decides to let him go and mark Quintana.

defensive.... it is a word that is not part of Froome's vocabulary.
He will attack in the steepest part and probably on the other, darkness falls .

 

[Pricey_sky]

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I think that Froome will ride a defensive stage...with the caveat that he'll press home any advantage if he finds himself in contention for the win with 300m to go. I suspect he will be most concerned with the one/two punches of Quintana and Valverde. It wouldn't surprise me to see Valverde win if Froome decides to let him go and mark Quintana.

defensive.... it is a word that is not part of Froome's vocabulary.
He will attack in the steepest part and probably on the other, darkness falls .

As he said in the interview, it's up to the other to attack him. I expect him to ride much more defensively, however if he gets a shot at winning the stage then he will go for it in sure.

 

[cellardoor]

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I think that Froome will ride a defensive stage...with the caveat that he'll press home any advantage if he finds himself in contention for the win with 300m to go. I suspect he will be most concerned with the one/two punches of Quintana and Valverde. It wouldn't surprise me to see Valverde win if Froome decides to let him go and mark Quintana.

defensive.... it is a word that is not part of Froome's vocabulary.
He will attack in the steepest part and probably on the other, darkness falls .

As he said in the interview, it's up to the other to attack him. I expect him to ride much more defensively, however if he gets a shot at winning the stage then he will go for it in sure.

Is this just obfuscation though as it seems to go against logic. He seems in monster form so why not go for the killer blow? He has plenty of stages thereafter to get defensive.

 

[King Boonen]

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I think that Froome will ride a defensive stage...with the caveat that he'll press home any advantage if he finds himself in contention for the win with 300m to go. I suspect he will be most concerned with the one/two punches of Quintana and Valverde. It wouldn't surprise me to see Valverde win if Froome decides to let him go and mark Quintana.

defensive.... it is a word that is not part of Froome's vocabulary.
He will attack in the steepest part and probably on the other, darkness falls .

As he said in the interview, it's up to the other to attack him. I expect him to ride much more defensively, however if he gets a shot at winning the stage then he will go for it in sure.

Is this just obfuscation though as it seems to go against logic. He seems in monster form so why not go for the killer blow? He has plenty of stages thereafter to get defensive.

It's a three week race and this it the first Mountain stage. Whatever form you're in you can't predict fully how you will feel right at the end but what you do know is that saving energy is key. Less recovery between stages means you're better the next day and so on. Crazy to put yourself in the red on the first stage with a proper hill in it, especially when you're a minute in front of the first man you think is likely to do you damage (TJVG is there but I don't think anyone thinks he can take time out of Froome in the climbs). Make them hurt coming back to you, then hit them when they're tired.

 

[Matteo.]

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I think that Froome will ride a defensive stage...with the caveat that he'll press home any advantage if he finds himself in contention for the win with 300m to go. I suspect he will be most concerned with the one/two punches of Quintana and Valverde. It wouldn't surprise me to see Valverde win if Froome decides to let him go and mark Quintana.

defensive.... it is a word that is not part of Froome's vocabulary.
He will attack in the steepest part and probably on the other, darkness falls .

As he said in the interview, it's up to the other to attack him. I expect him to ride much more defensively, however if he gets a shot at winning the stage then he will go for it in sure.

But, I do not trust him
I can remember, never in recent years has raced in defense, never.
On all the climbs he has always attacked, even in the Vuelta in 2012 when he was clearly lower.

 

[No_Balls]

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I'm thrilled people thinks Froome will play it defensively here but you all know what is going to happen, and then writing afterwards it was your ideas all along. As Matteo just said it is hard for Froome this, and hard to read what he is up for, given that he doesnt actually look like being part of a bike race. As the others will look at their opponents, around, back and up, Froome will be fixed on his stem for possible solutions over the course of a stage. If the stem green lights the option "terminate", Froome will smash. Besides, riding "his own tempo" or "defensively" could very well mean 20-30% over the opposition as he has himself admitted an 15% technology bonus.

 

[WheelofGear]

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I'm thrilled people thinks Froome will play it defensively here but you all know what is going to happen, and then writing afterwards it was your ideas all along. As Matteo just said it is hard for Froome this, and hard to read what he is up for, given that he doesnt actually look like being part of a bike race. As the others will look at their opponents, around, back and up, Froome will be fixed on his stem for possible solutions over the course of a stage. If the stem green lights the option "terminate", Froome will smash. Besides, riding "his own tempo" or "defensively" could very well mean 20-30% over the opposition as he has himself admitted an 15% technology bonus.

What does that mean?

 

[DBotero]

Re: 2015 tour d'france stage 10: Tarbes › La Pierre-Saint-Ma

Riding defensively will be a dumb move even considering Sky past.Froome needs to capitalize on his good condition now.He didn't won this Tour yet and the gaps are not so big.He can play the defensive game later or maybe he just decided he's not a climber anymore and wants to do it Wiggins 2012 style for a change.

 

[DBotero]

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The way Quintana blew his Movistar team to pieces midway the TTT I do not think Froome will win that easily.

Valverde doesn't agree with this

 

[LaFlorecita]

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The way Quintana blew his Movistar team to pieces midway the TTT I do not think Froome will win that easily.

I thought it was Dowsett? At least that's what people on twitter said.

 

[No_Balls]

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I'm thrilled people thinks Froome will play it defensively here but you all know what is going to happen, and then writing afterwards it was your ideas all along. As Matteo just said it is hard for Froome this, and hard to read what he is up for, given that he doesnt actually look like being part of a bike race. As the others will look at their opponents, around, back and up, Froome will be fixed on his stem for possible solutions over the course of a stage. If the stem green lights the option "terminate", Froome will smash. Besides, riding "his own tempo" or "defensively" could very well mean 20-30% over the opposition as he has himself admitted an 15% technology bonus.

What does that mean?

Marginal gains never sleeps so as we speak sir Dave may have put the article already in the bike museum, but back before the Tour i read it as better equipments, rounder wheels, sleep monitoring, avoidance of public spaces, all in all in a technology package for good performances.

Full article here:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/cycling/tour-de-france/11717440/Tour-de-France-2015-Road-to-redemption-ends-in-the-Pyrenees-if-I-get-there-says-Chris-Froome.html

 

[cellardoor]

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I think that Froome will ride a defensive stage...with the caveat that he'll press home any advantage if he finds himself in contention for the win with 300m to go. I suspect he will be most concerned with the one/two punches of Quintana and Valverde. It wouldn't surprise me to see Valverde win if Froome decides to let him go and mark Quintana.

defensive.... it is a word that is not part of Froome's vocabulary.
He will attack in the steepest part and probably on the other, darkness falls .

As he said in the interview, it's up to the other to attack him. I expect him to ride much more defensively, however if he gets a shot at winning the stage then he will go for it in sure.

Is this just obfuscation though as it seems to go against logic. He seems in monster form so why not go for the killer blow? He has plenty of stages thereafter to get defensive.

It's a three week race and this it the first Mountain stage. Whatever form you're in you can't predict fully how you will feel right at the end but what you do know is that saving energy is key. Less recovery between stages means you're better the next day and so on. Crazy to put yourself in the red on the first stage with a proper hill in it, especially when you're a minute in front of the first man you think is likely to do you damage (TJVG is there but I don't think anyone thinks he can take time out of Froome in the climbs). Make them hurt coming back to you, then hit them when they're tired.

I appreciate what you're saying about recovery, but I think it's crucial in sport to kill off your opponents when you're strong and they are comparatively weak, which seems to be the current situation with Froome. 1 minute is not enough of a gap to feel comfortable. One dominant showing in the mountains has generally been enough in recent times to have your opponents squabbling for second place.

 

[Kwibus]

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I think that Froome will ride a defensive stage...with the caveat that he'll press home any advantage if he finds himself in contention for the win with 300m to go. I suspect he will be most concerned with the one/two punches of Quintana and Valverde. It wouldn't surprise me to see Valverde win if Froome decides to let him go and mark Quintana.

defensive.... it is a word that is not part of Froome's vocabulary.
He will attack in the steepest part and probably on the other, darkness falls .

As he said in the interview, it's up to the other to attack him. I expect him to ride much more defensively, however if he gets a shot at winning the stage then he will go for it in sure.

Froome never rides defensive. He will let his team do the work until 3km or so and if nobody attacked then he will do it.

 

[Kwibus]

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I think that Froome will ride a defensive stage...with the caveat that he'll press home any advantage if he finds himself in contention for the win with 300m to go. I suspect he will be most concerned with the one/two punches of Quintana and Valverde. It wouldn't surprise me to see Valverde win if Froome decides to let him go and mark Quintana.

defensive.... it is a word that is not part of Froome's vocabulary.
He will attack in the steepest part and probably on the other, darkness falls .

As he said in the interview, it's up to the other to attack him. I expect him to ride much more defensively, however if he gets a shot at winning the stage then he will go for it in sure.

Is this just obfuscation though as it seems to go against logic. He seems in monster form so why not go for the killer blow? He has plenty of stages thereafter to get defensive.

It's a three week race and this it the first Mountain stage. Whatever form you're in you can't predict fully how you will feel right at the end but what you do know is that saving energy is key. Less recovery between stages means you're better the next day and so on. Crazy to put yourself in the red on the first stage with a proper hill in it, especially when you're a minute in front of the first man you think is likely to do you damage (TJVG is there but I don't think anyone thinks he can take time out of Froome in the climbs). Make them hurt coming back to you, then hit them when they're tired.

Does he have to in to the red to drop most others? I doubt it...

 

[Miburo]

3 km you haven't been paying attention to his races i think lol

And i think from now on quintana is the most overhyped rider on this forum, i hope he can do what many of you think he can.

I doubt it

 

[matter]

First mountain top is usually a waiting game. I don't expect much to happen apart from the Froome attack.
As it's just one mountain the speeds will be higher and some will do relatively better and some will do worse then usual. Rodriguez being an example of the former and Gesink of the latter.
I expect a group of about 15 riders behind the winner. It's likely Froome can't contain himself on the second part of the climb (the first steeper part of the climb will probably be motored by Poels). Rodriguez and possibly Quintana/Valverde can follow. Valverde can suprise and win the sprint from Froome and Purito.

 

[King Boonen]

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I appreciate what you're saying about recovery, but I think it's crucial in sport to kill off your opponents when you're strong and they are comparatively weak, which seems to be the current situation with Froome. 1 minute is not enough of a gap to feel comfortable. One dominant showing in the mountains has generally been enough in recent times to have your opponents squabbling for second place.

There are no more ITT miles which has pretty much always been to the benefit of GC leaders in the recent past. Froome burning energy in this stage when there are many more mountain stages to come and nowhere he would be expected to easily take time would be a massive mistake unless his form is so good it doesn't matter anyway. He will attempt to kill them off at some point no doubt, but tomorrow is a day for assessment.

 

[King Boonen]

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Does he have to in to the red to drop most others? I doubt it...

Who knows? Tomorrow is the time to discover form and plan, not destroy your own.

 

[sky2500]

Froome cracks tomorrow quintana wins stage.

 

[Singer01]

if froome just hangs on Contador's wheel, then attacks and puts 20-30 seconds into him on every MTF will he be the tactical mastermind that alberto was in last years Vuelta? or will he be vilified to the nth degree?