2015 tour d'france stage 10: Tarbes › La Pierre-Saint-Martin

[King Boonen]

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if froome just hangs on Contador's wheel, then attacks and puts 20-30 seconds into him on every MTF will he be the tactical mastermind that alberto was in last years Vuelta? or will he be vilified to the nth degree?

Wheelsucker...

 

[LaFlorecita]

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if froome just hangs on Contador's wheel, then attacks and puts 20-30 seconds into him on every MTF will he be the tactical mastermind that alberto was in last years Vuelta? or will he be vilified to the nth degree?

He is in the lead so doesn't have to attack, just like Alberto last year.
However, as far as I'm aware no one has claimed that Alberto wheelsucking Froome proved him to be a tactical mastermind. Rather, it was Froome who just seemed extremely dumb by towing Contador to the line. I don't think Contador will make the same mistake. He's not stupid.

 

[SeriousSam]

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if froome just hangs on Contador's wheel, then attacks and puts 20-30 seconds into him on every MTF will he be the tactical mastermind that alberto was in last years Vuelta? or will he be vilified to the nth degree?

It would no doubt confirm some posters to be hypocrites, but that would hardly be news.

 

[The Hitch]

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if froome just hangs on Contador's wheel, then attacks and puts 20-30 seconds into him on every MTF will he be the tactical mastermind that alberto was in last years Vuelta? or will he be vilified to the nth degree?

Just saw highlights. Unless there was some angle I missed that was pathetic wheelsucking from Contador.

 

[Netserk]

What was pathetic about it? He didn't have to pull and it served him very well not to. It's pathetic to pull and/or attack when you shouldn't and it ends up costing you without (plausible chance of) any upside. There'll be 'wheelsuckers' as long as there'll be fools to be taken advantage of.

 

[Kwibus]

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if froome just hangs on Contador's wheel, then attacks and puts 20-30 seconds into him on every MTF will he be the tactical mastermind that alberto was in last years Vuelta? or will he be vilified to the nth degree?

I am a Contador fan, allthough Im most of all a cyclingfan. I like Contador because he is an entertaining rider.
I was glad Contador won the vuelta last year, but it wasnt in a way I admired him.

It wasn't really contadors fault though. Froome kept on pulling and it wasnt up to Contador to help him so why would he? If Froome wasn't a big GT contender and his biggest rival it wouldn't surprise me if Contador gave the stage away, but it was Froome. His biggest rival and very strong so not a rider to give gifts.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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if froome just hangs on Contador's wheel, then attacks and puts 20-30 seconds into him on every MTF will he be the tactical mastermind that alberto was in last years Vuelta? or will he be vilified to the nth degree?

Just saw highlights. Unless there was some angle I missed that was pathetic wheelsucking from Contador.

We can always count on Hitch to make some bitter post criticizing Contador.
It's almost as if you hold Contador to a different standard than others. If he doesn't meet your sky high expectations he is pathetic and a failure. It is quite sad to witness. He is only human

 

[del1962]

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if froome just hangs on Contador's wheel, then attacks and puts 20-30 seconds into him on every MTF will he be the tactical mastermind that alberto was in last years Vuelta? or will he be vilified to the nth degree?

I am a Contador fan, allthough Im most of all a cyclingfan. I like Contador because he is an entertaining rider.
I was glad Contador won the vuelta last year, but it wasnt in a way I admired him.

It wasn't really contadors fault though. Froome kept on pulling and it wasnt up to Contador to help him so why would he? If Froome wasn't a big GT contender and his biggest rival it wouldn't surprise me if Contador gave the stage away, but it was Froome. His biggest rival and very strong so not a rider to give gifts.

The thing for Froome was that had he not kept riding he wouldn't have got second though so although he couldn't drop bertie it was the best thing to do

 

[SeriousSam]

Hitch is actually one of the few people who is consistent on such matters, the opposite of holding one rider to a different standard.

I'm in Netserk's camp though. Sport is best when its protagonists are ruthless, self interested, rationally thinking competitors. When a wheel is offered, take it and capitalise.

 

[Vasilis]

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I'm thrilled people thinks Froome will play it defensively here but you all know what is going to happen, and then writing afterwards it was your ideas all along. As Matteo just said it is hard for Froome this, and hard to read what he is up for, given that he doesnt actually look like being part of a bike race. As the others will look at their opponents, around, back and up, Froome will be fixed on his stem for possible solutions over the course of a stage. If the stem green lights the option "terminate", Froome will smash. Besides, riding "his own tempo" or "defensively" could very well mean 20-30% over the opposition as he has himself admitted an 15% technology bonus.

What does that mean?

A 15% bonus from Pinarello

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Re: 2015 tour d'france stage 10: Tarbes › La Pierre-Saint-Ma

Le Tour de France arrive à La Pierre St-Martin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdTJEKLf3Lc

 

[Queens Boulevard]

Sky train halfway up the mountain,
Nibali loses touch before Porte pulls off while guys like Barguil, Uran, JCP still hold strong,
eventually Froome jumps and only Tejay and Nairo are able to follow,
Froome finds an ally in Tejay who works with him to put time into Contador and Nibali while Quintana sits on,
Forum explodes with "Why is Tejay working with Froome?" "OMG Tejay is sooooo dumb!"
at some point really late when the gradient evens out a bit Quintana jumps them and only Froome is able to follow.
"lol Tejay is an idiot and Froome is an alien, hope Quintana can win this in Alps" becomes the general consensus.

Quintana
Froome st.
Van Garderan 30s
Contador 1'45
Nibali 3'10

Or they all just mark each other, Froome jumps significantly later and wins the stage with all his rivals coming in within 30 seconds.
One of those two scenarios is the most likely.

 

[Kwibus]

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if froome just hangs on Contador's wheel, then attacks and puts 20-30 seconds into him on every MTF will he be the tactical mastermind that alberto was in last years Vuelta? or will he be vilified to the nth degree?

I am a Contador fan, allthough Im most of all a cyclingfan. I like Contador because he is an entertaining rider.
I was glad Contador won the vuelta last year, but it wasnt in a way I admired him.

It wasn't really contadors fault though. Froome kept on pulling and it wasnt up to Contador to help him so why would he? If Froome wasn't a big GT contender and his biggest rival it wouldn't surprise me if Contador gave the stage away, but it was Froome. His biggest rival and very strong so not a rider to give gifts.

The thing for Froome was that had he not kept riding he wouldn't have got second though so although he couldn't drop bertie it was the best thing to do

True as well, but that doesnt mean Contador did anything wrong.

 

[del1962]

Re: Re:

if froome just hangs on Contador's wheel, then attacks and puts 20-30 seconds into him on every MTF will he be the tactical mastermind that alberto was in last years Vuelta? or will he be vilified to the nth degree?

I am a Contador fan, allthough Im most of all a cyclingfan. I like Contador because he is an entertaining rider.
I was glad Contador won the vuelta last year, but it wasnt in a way I admired him.

It wasn't really contadors fault though. Froome kept on pulling and it wasnt up to Contador to help him so why would he? If Froome wasn't a big GT contender and his biggest rival it wouldn't surprise me if Contador gave the stage away, but it was Froome. His biggest rival and very strong so not a rider to give gifts.

The thing for Froome was that had he not kept riding he wouldn't have got second though so although he couldn't drop bertie it was the best thing to do

True as well, but that doesnt mean Contador did anything wrong.

of course it doesn't, quite rightly he did what he needed to do, it is more in response to those who think Froome should have stopped riding

 

[King Boonen]

Re: 2015 tour d'france stage 10: Tarbes › La Pierre-Saint-Ma

Le Tour de France arrive à La Pierre St-Martin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdTJEKLf3Lc

Looks like a beautiful road to ride!

 

[Flamin]

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The way Quintana blew his Movistar team to pieces midway the TTT I do not think Froome will win that easily.

I thought it was Dowsett? At least that's what people on twitter said.

Really? Then those people must get their eyes checked asap. It was definitely Valverde. See my analysis in the Valverde thread

 

[Netserk]

Re: Re:

if froome just hangs on Contador's wheel, then attacks and puts 20-30 seconds into him on every MTF will he be the tactical mastermind that alberto was in last years Vuelta? or will he be vilified to the nth degree?

I am a Contador fan, allthough Im most of all a cyclingfan. I like Contador because he is an entertaining rider.
I was glad Contador won the vuelta last year, but it wasnt in a way I admired him.

It wasn't really contadors fault though. Froome kept on pulling and it wasnt up to Contador to help him so why would he? If Froome wasn't a big GT contender and his biggest rival it wouldn't surprise me if Contador gave the stage away, but it was Froome. His biggest rival and very strong so not a rider to give gifts.

The thing for Froome was that had he not kept riding he wouldn't have got second though so although he couldn't drop bertie it was the best thing to do

Froome was already in 2nd place before Ancares...

 

[del1962]

Re: Re:

if froome just hangs on Contador's wheel, then attacks and puts 20-30 seconds into him on every MTF will he be the tactical mastermind that alberto was in last years Vuelta? or will he be vilified to the nth degree?

I am a Contador fan, allthough Im most of all a cyclingfan. I like Contador because he is an entertaining rider.
I was glad Contador won the vuelta last year, but it wasnt in a way I admired him.

It wasn't really contadors fault though. Froome kept on pulling and it wasnt up to Contador to help him so why would he? If Froome wasn't a big GT contender and his biggest rival it wouldn't surprise me if Contador gave the stage away, but it was Froome. His biggest rival and very strong so not a rider to give gifts.

The thing for Froome was that had he not kept riding he wouldn't have got second though so although he couldn't drop bertie it was the best thing to do

Froome was already in 2nd place before Ancares...

Only by a handful of seconds though

 

[Netserk]

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if froome just hangs on Contador's wheel, then attacks and puts 20-30 seconds into him on every MTF will he be the tactical mastermind that alberto was in last years Vuelta? or will he be vilified to the nth degree?

I am a Contador fan, allthough Im most of all a cyclingfan. I like Contador because he is an entertaining rider.
I was glad Contador won the vuelta last year, but it wasnt in a way I admired him.

It wasn't really contadors fault though. Froome kept on pulling and it wasnt up to Contador to help him so why would he? If Froome wasn't a big GT contender and his biggest rival it wouldn't surprise me if Contador gave the stage away, but it was Froome. His biggest rival and very strong so not a rider to give gifts.

The thing for Froome was that had he not kept riding he wouldn't have got second though so although he couldn't drop bertie it was the best thing to do

Froome was already in 2nd place before Ancares...

Only by a handful of seconds though

By 13'' to Piti and 1'10'' to Purito. It was the latter who was up the road, so there really wasn't any need for Froome to pull.

 

[Aguirre]

Re: 2015 tour d'france stage 10: Tarbes › La Pierre-Saint-Ma

Valverde outsprinting froome, Tejay and Nairo, causing a thurderstorm in the forum

Then Alberto 45' with purito and pinot

Nibs 1.30, with all ag2r

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Re: 2015 tour d'france stage 10: Tarbes › La Pierre-Saint-Ma

Le Tour de France arrive à La Pierre St-Martin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdTJEKLf3Lc

Looks like a beautiful road to ride!

Seems Soler was the first one over the top when the tdf visited in 2007.

 

[nelsonsmen71]

Pinot is going for this according to sources and on Bastille Day

 

[Hugo Koblet]

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Pinot is going for this according to sources and on Bastille Day

Bad decision

 

[Alexandre B.]

Re: 2015 tour d'france stage 10: Tarbes › La Pierre-Saint-Ma

Le Tour de France arrive à La Pierre St-Martin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdTJEKLf3Lc

Looks like a beautiful road to ride!

Seems Soler was the first one over the top when the tdf visited in 2007.

Yes, but they climbed it from the other side.

 

[King Boonen]

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Pinot is going for this according to sources and on Bastille Day

Barguil will take it.