2015 Tour dFrance Stage 12 Lannemazan - Plat de Beille 195km

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Escarabajo said:
Miburo said:
Dekker_Tifosi said:
Miburo said:
And there goes the podium for the dutchies. It lasted 2 days.
Like Gesink could've done something.. Thanks to that flat tire he was ****
I understand that, extremely unlucky. Doesn't change the fact that this top 3 dream is most likely over, especially cause contador and piti looked better today. And thomas too

If i were him i would drop 10 minutes back tomorrow and go for a win in the mountains.
I will never understand people saying this when top 3 is out of reach. Like if we were in the same situation we would do the same thing actually. You just don't give up until you are completely defeated. IMHO.
Also how will he know he is back to his previous form unless he endures the same efforts as his grand tour gc rivals? I think he needs to see where he stands (gc wise) at the end of a grand tour to decide what avenue to pursue in his future.
 
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Ryo Hazuki said:
yaco said:
Not a fair dinkum race today - GC Peloton made 2 1/2 minutes on Rodriguez in the 15km climb - They would have taken around 5 minutes out of Rodriguez if they were serious.
when you think you've read all the horse**** in this topic this comes up :eek:
So the GC Peloton made little time on Rodriguez in the final climb, who was in a breakaway for 140km, with three climbs before the last climb, rode most of the climb by himself - Even taking into account that Rodrigues is a classy rider and managed to do limited work in the breakaway, the GC peloton should have taken more time out of Rodrigues in the final climb.
 
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Today was never about Froome attacking his GC rivals it was about preserving what he has got, a healthy lead. In those conditions it really nullified any real chance of a meaningful attack from Quintana, Contador or even TVG.
 
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yaco said:
Ryo Hazuki said:
yaco said:
Not a fair dinkum race today - GC Peloton made 2 1/2 minutes on Rodriguez in the 15km climb - They would have taken around 5 minutes out of Rodriguez if they were serious.
when you think you've read all the horse**** in this topic this comes up :eek:
So the GC Peloton made little time on Rodriguez in the final climb, who was in a breakaway for 140km, with three climbs before the last climb, rode most of the climb by himself - Even taking into account that Rodrigues is a classy rider and managed to do limited work in the breakaway, the GC peloton should have taken more time out of Rodrigues in the final climb.
Yes but where would they get + 2 minutes? Tinkoff was setting a nice pace in the bottom and then Sky took over and they werent going slow. Of course they were looking at each other after attacking and closing gaps etc but no way they could have got more than 2 minutes on Purito. If Froome could have dropped the others and gone faster he would have.
 
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Bushman said:
yaco said:
Ryo Hazuki said:
yaco said:
Not a fair dinkum race today - GC Peloton made 2 1/2 minutes on Rodriguez in the 15km climb - They would have taken around 5 minutes out of Rodriguez if they were serious.
when you think you've read all the horse**** in this topic this comes up :eek:
So the GC Peloton made little time on Rodriguez in the final climb, who was in a breakaway for 140km, with three climbs before the last climb, rode most of the climb by himself - Even taking into account that Rodrigues is a classy rider and managed to do limited work in the breakaway, the GC peloton should have taken more time out of Rodrigues in the final climb.
Yes but where would they get + 2 minutes? Tinkoff was setting a nice pace in the bottom and then Sky took over and they werent going slow. Of course they were looking at each other after attacking and closing gaps etc but no way they could have got more than 2 minutes on Purito. If Froome could have dropped the others and gone faster he would have.
2 minutes is nothing doing a 15km climb. The rule of thumb is 5 minutes if racing - Think GC guys made around 2 1'2 minutes.
 
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yaco said:
Bushman said:
yaco said:
Ryo Hazuki said:
yaco said:
Not a fair dinkum race today - GC Peloton made 2 1/2 minutes on Rodriguez in the 15km climb - They would have taken around 5 minutes out of Rodriguez if they were serious.
when you think you've read all the horse**** in this topic this comes up :eek:
So the GC Peloton made little time on Rodriguez in the final climb, who was in a breakaway for 140km, with three climbs before the last climb, rode most of the climb by himself - Even taking into account that Rodrigues is a classy rider and managed to do limited work in the breakaway, the GC peloton should have taken more time out of Rodrigues in the final climb.
Yes but where would they get + 2 minutes? Tinkoff was setting a nice pace in the bottom and then Sky took over and they werent going slow. Of course they were looking at each other after attacking and closing gaps etc but no way they could have got more than 2 minutes on Purito. If Froome could have dropped the others and gone faster he would have.
2 minutes is nothing doing a 15km climb. The rule of thumb is 5 minutes if racing - Think GC guys made around 2 1'2 minutes.
Considering that a two minutes faster accent would have placed many of the GC group on top of the record list, I'm quite happy that they didn't.

It was Rodriquez that did a very good climb, rather than the GC's failing.
 
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Ryo Hazuki said:
Dekker_Tifosi said:
Gesink lost 1 minute in 7km because of that stupid flat tire. Does bad luck never stop? **** this
he was already dropped pretty much before that. stop crying he didn't lose 1 minute because of that either. no flat tire costs you one minute during a climb :eek:
Ryo you actually mase some good posts and then you come with this again...
He wasn't dropped before he got a flat. He dropped because of a flat then he tried to get back on again and he actually almost connected again which was is impressive enough, but then they accelarated a few times again and he lost ground. He had to do it all alone though. Big chance he would've been able to hang on if he didnt get that flat.


Oh god why do I reply....
 
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yaco said:
Not a fair dinkum race today - GC Peloton made 2 1/2 minutes on Rodriguez in the 15km climb - They would have taken around 5 minutes out of Rodriguez if they were serious.
It's rodriguez and it was a huge breakaway so it's not like he had to go all out before they reached the final climb. Actually he rode a smart race up to the final climb so he was fairly fresh.
 
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Stelvio said:
It was Rodriquez that did a very good climb, rather than the GC's failing.
More like he was not a threat to the GC order and was allowed to go away and secure the win. It still however was a very controlled accent.
 
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Ryo Hazuki said:
leon993 said:
jaylew said:
Is it a good sign that Froome couldn't drop everyone today? Am I reaching? :eek:
Yes, he tried. And now all the GC contenders saw that he could not drop them. Had he not done it, then everybody would have thought, he was as strong as in stage 12.
good point. froome always tries though and he clearly wasn't the strongest. quintana followed his wheel all the time without much effort. this will motivate nibali, quintana and especially contador a lot!
Quintana looked very strong, Froome never even gained a meter on him when he attacked.
 
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Gesink already had a top 5 in the tour, who cares?

He can win a stage in the tour which has been ages for the dutch no? People will remember that longer than a nr.8 in GC
 
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jaylew said:
SeriousSam said:
TMP402 said:
jaylew said:
Arredondo said:
At the moment, Tejay looks good for podium.
Well, that would make a certain porn star happy.
??
Yes, please clarify.
Mia Khalifa ‏@miakhalifa Jul 15
GO T-JAY GO T-JAY @tejay_van #dropthehammer #TdF

Mia Khalifa ‏@miakhalifa Jul 14
When @tejay_van still hasn't gotten a yellow jersey #TdF


Mia Khalifa ‏@miakhalifa Jul 12
Come on, @tejay_van!!! You got this today! Bring home that yellow jersey!! #TdF

She also made a clinic comment about Froome and had this in response to Paolini:

Mia Khalifa ‏@miakhalifa Jul 10
Mia Khalifa retweeted Bleacher Report
COCAINE IS A HELLUVA DRUG

And no, I don't follow her :p
Hadn't even heard of her until a few months ago but she's been in the news a bit lately.
LOL, that's hillarious. :D
 
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Miburo said:
Gesink already had a top 5 in the tour, who cares?

He can win a stage in the tour which has been ages for the dutch no? People will remember that longer than a nr.8 in GC
Gesink cannot win from a breakaway. Strange that people won't comprehend this. Some riders are good at clamping on and riding own tempo, and are usually GC specialists.. some can really accelerate and are breakaway specialists.
Gesink has in the past been going into breaks when gc was not going well, he could never win those stages and was dropped by 'lesser' climbers, because they are simply more specialist in breakaways.
The same way Kruijswijk could not really drop Vandewalle in de Giro on the Abetone... but in the end, without break, can hold Contadors wheel in the Aprica stage.

You can say what you want, but Gesink can never win in a breakaway stage, unless he's in a break full of sprinters on a mountain.
It's a different way of riding. Gesink is too limited for that.
 
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I dont understand why some people complain noone tried a long range attack. I mean, long range attacks make sense quite often but today that just would have been dump as hell. Do you really think anyone could be faster than the sky train after an attack followed by a long valley followed by a HC climb? Thats just not realistic. Better wait on the alps with stages where climbs come directly after each other and where froome might be weaker.
 
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Dekker_Tifosi said:
Miburo said:
Gesink already had a top 5 in the tour, who cares?

He can win a stage in the tour which has been ages for the dutch no? People will remember that longer than a nr.8 in GC
Gesink cannot win from a breakaway. Strange that people won't comprehend this. Some riders are good at clamping on and riding own tempo, and are usually GC specialists.. some can really accelerate and are breakaway specialists.
Gesink has in the past been going into breaks when gc was not going well, he could never win those stages and was dropped by 'lesser' climbers, because they are simply more specialist in breakaways.
The same way Kruijswijk could not really drop Vandewalle in de Giro on the Abetone... but in the end, without break, can hold Contadors wheel in the Aprica stage.

You can say what you want, but Gesink can never win in a breakaway stage, unless he's in a break full of sprinters on a mountain.
It's a different way of riding. Gesink is too limited for that.
How long has it been since a gesink in this form has tried?

Can you give me any examples? And don't give me the ones of a gesink in *** shape. You said he does it when GC failed thus shape not good unless you can give me an example where his shape was really good but gc failed cause of bad luck that isn't a crash (since that fucks over his shape obviouslu) Why pull out a vdb2 and go for another placement?

Yea it would be great for him after so many fail years to get a top 10 but he already proved he's back this week
 
Gesink is a diesel, he is best after everyone has suffered a great deal.
In a breakaway he has to do 'too much' himself. Take turns etc. Unless Gesink learns to hide himself in a break like for exampel voeckler or costa can do really well. He'll never ever win a breakway. Like i said, same as kruijswijk in the last giro. Great shape, probably top 5 climber in the giro, but he could not win from the breaks against worse climbers
 
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Dekker_Tifosi said:
Gesink is a diesel, he is best after everyone has suffered a great deal.
In a breakaway he has to do 'too much' himself. Take turns etc. Unless Gesink learns to hide himself in a break like for exampel voeckler or costa can do really well. He'll never ever win a breakway. Like i said, same as kruijswijk in the last giro. Great shape, probably top 5 climber in the giro, but he could not win from the breaks against worse climbers
Kruiswijk never attempted a breakaway though in the last week where he was clearly at his best.

Too concerned with a top 10 but astana wanted to win pretty much every stage so i'll give him that
 
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the asian said:
Escarabajo said:
outnumbered said:
If Sky are really cheating as most of you seem to suggest, how come their technique doesn't work on the supposed climbing domestiques ? E.g. Where are Pouls and Konig ?
It is called British Rotation!

please go to the clinic.

Northern Europeans and Anglophones in particular have superior intelligence and genetics.

They are very quick to learn and adapt to new things, and also very hard working in contrast to the lazy South Europeans/Latin Americans.

That is why the best climbers for SKY are/have been Froome,Wiggo,Porte &Thomas.

Other North Europeans like EBH/Kiri have had some success. but South Europeans/Latin Americans like Cataldo,Nieve,Uran & Henao have been miserable failures.

They've recruited Poels and Koing because they are Northern Europeans but they will take some time to adapt because the other Northern Europeans aren't quite as successful as the Anglos.

Ben Swift will probably improve his climbing much quicker than those two.
I don't know if that was a joke but it was borderline racist regardless. In any case if you do think Uran was a failure compared to EBH/Kiri then you have really weird criteria.
 
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carton said:
the asian said:
Escarabajo said:
outnumbered said:
If Sky are really cheating as most of you seem to suggest, how come their technique doesn't work on the supposed climbing domestiques ? E.g. Where are Pouls and Konig ?
It is called British Rotation!

please go to the clinic.

Northern Europeans and Anglophones in particular have superior intelligence and genetics.

They are very quick to learn and adapt to new things, and also very hard working in contrast to the lazy South Europeans/Latin Americans.

That is why the best climbers for SKY are/have been Froome,Wiggo,Porte &Thomas.

Other North Europeans like EBH/Kiri have had some success. but South Europeans/Latin Americans like Cataldo,Nieve,Uran & Henao have been miserable failures.

They've recruited Poels and Koing because they are Northern Europeans but they will take some time to adapt because the other Northern Europeans aren't quite as successful as the Anglos.

Ben Swift will probably improve his climbing much quicker than those two.
I don't know if that was a joke but it was borderline racist regardless. In any case if you do think Uran was a failure compared to EBH/Kiri then you have really weird criteria.

Uran was a miserable failure in riding in the Train.

That's why he was let go. Henao will go after 2016 when his contract expires.

Interestingly they are signing Kiwat a very versatile rider who Sky believe can be turned in to A GT winner (Vuelta or Giro)
 
The conditions today helped Froome and Sky. But the pace making from the bottom of first Porte then Thomas was also very impressive - no doubt that is why the PdB was climbed so fast as someone posted earlier - typical Sky really. On a long climb it is the speed of the domestiques in the 1st 8-10km that plays as much a part in how fast the climb is done rather than what the leaders do in the last 5 or 6 km. Well done to Purito.
 

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