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Garmin has never done well with co-leaders. They do well when they have an A and a pretty good B, but the B knows they're the B. The hierarchy is still there.
Sky are probably better off with Froome under the weather. They may have ended up in the same situation, with both riders thinking the other needs to work for them.
Miburo said:
Garmin has never done well with co-leaders. They do well when they have an A and a pretty good B, but the B knows they're the B. The hierarchy is still there.
Sky are probably better off with Froome under the weather. They may have ended up in the same situation, with both riders thinking the other needs to work for them.
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Correct answer. By considerable margin.
Alexandre B. said:Cance > TheRest said:
Vence - Nice guys.
Correct answer. By considerable margin.
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Why shall I not wheel suck? Didnt say to want to close the CG gap like AC did. Didnt had my team working to get a gap (which then was almost wasted in a few kms). So its not my mistake...
Why shall I not wheel suck? Didnt say to want to close the CG gap like AC did. Didnt had my team working to get a gap (which then was almost wasted in a few kms). So its not my mistake...
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It's not hypocritical as the situation was different. An attack with 3 climbing ks to go on the race leader is different than an attack on the leading group in the last flat k. A move to win the overall is different than a move to win the stage.
Even so, I don't see a problem with wheel sucking one day and then being mad about the other wheel suckers the next. The game changes, and it doesn't always go the way you want it. I'll allow an athlete to get mad at circumstances they cannot control; it's frustrating for sure. A sport full of ambivalence to that fact would be very boring to watch.
slosada said:
It's not hypocritical as the situation was different. An attack with 3 climbing ks to go on the race leader is different than an attack on the leading group in the last flat k. A move to win the overall is different than a move to win the stage.
Even so, I don't see a problem with wheel sucking one day and then being mad about the other wheel suckers the next. The game changes, and it doesn't always go the way you want it. I'll allow an athlete to get mad at circumstances they cannot control; it's frustrating for sure. A sport full of ambivalence to that fact would be very boring to watch.
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Umm I don't know, for me it's pretty clear. Let's see
Let's see the parallel Giro '14 Volta '15
Atacks in the last climb of the day in both
Leaders Paterski (Rolland, De Clercq) behind, as Uran was
Pozzovivo doesn't help at all, Quintana doesn't help at all
Pozzovivo sprints for the stage victory as Quintana did.
Both in each case gained time on rivals and leaders. Both would be closer to the leader had they helped in their breakaways.
The stage victory would have been disputed in a sprint in both cases.
Let's see the parallel Giro '14 Volta '15
Atacks in the last climb of the day in both
Leaders Paterski (Rolland, De Clercq) behind, as Uran was
Pozzovivo doesn't help at all, Quintana doesn't help at all
Pozzovivo sprints for the stage victory as Quintana did.
Both in each case gained time on rivals and leaders. Both would be closer to the leader had they helped in their breakaways.
The stage victory would have been disputed in a sprint in both cases.
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Looks like Martin lost to much energy trying to bridge on the descent. Didn't even win sprint for second so obviously wasn't feeling too good.
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There's quite a difference between a group and being away just two men. Quintana had the legs to pull and would have gained as much if not more on Uran if he did. Instead he gained (probably) less on Uran, but a bit more on Pozzovivo.
Today Pozzovivo won the stage, gained time on the others in his group and got the bonus seconds he wouldn't otherwise have got. If he had shared the work he might have taken more on the leader (who he still wouldn't reach), but he wouldn't have taken the bonus seconds and he would have lost instead of gained compared to the others in the group.
It's two very different situations.
Today Pozzovivo won the stage, gained time on the others in his group and got the bonus seconds he wouldn't otherwise have got. If he had shared the work he might have taken more on the leader (who he still wouldn't reach), but he wouldn't have taken the bonus seconds and he would have lost instead of gained compared to the others in the group.
It's two very different situations.
Strange Stage today. I said yesterday that Froome looked like he was struggling " I was right"
A bit more cooperation and the time gap could have been bigger.
Riders are to scared to help Bertie in case he his on top form. They don't want to help in anyway.
I hope Bertie rocks tomorrow and really goes for it.
Silly crash for Valverde. Should be paying attention.
Lets hope ET Froome wizard is feeling better tomorrow and we get some "chaos theory limbs" action
A bit more cooperation and the time gap could have been bigger.
Riders are to scared to help Bertie in case he his on top form. They don't want to help in anyway.
I hope Bertie rocks tomorrow and really goes for it.
Silly crash for Valverde. Should be paying attention.
Lets hope ET Froome wizard is feeling better tomorrow and we get some "chaos theory limbs" action
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Would be interesting to see if Froome will be a team player tomorrow and tear the race apart on the penultimate climb so Porte can have a go at winning the race. There should be action on that climb if they want to win the race, but it wouldn't be the first time the Volta would be completely given away due to circumstances
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ray j willings said:
Whilst I wouldn't rule anything out regarding Froome's form, I think he will help Richie tomorrow who seems in great form. I agree the comment re Contador, riders just don't want to help him due to how brilliant he can be even at their own detriment.
It would be good if riders decide to think about the overall and have a go for big big time gaps.
JV's boys have never been shy to blow a race open and Bertie as well. Its strange to watching Rolland ride almost defensive. It could be his downfall if riders go for it, If he's feeling good he should attack.
JV's boys have never been shy to blow a race open and Bertie as well. Its strange to watching Rolland ride almost defensive. It could be his downfall if riders go for it, If he's feeling good he should attack.
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Interesting stage. We have seen that at this point Froome is not the same as at Andalusia, which doesn't surprise me since he seemed way ahead of schedule. At the same time Porte is very solid and, bar incidents, will be a serious contender at the Giro,if not the principle candidate along with Contador naturally. Aru is coming along just fine, and is much better at the moment than his teammate Nibali. Pozzovivo played his cards to perfection, nobody can reproach him for the carpe diem that won him the stage. The issue over hypocrisy has no bearing on reality, as the circumstances between himself and Nairo in last years Giro were totally irrelevant to the dynamic today. Contador was strong, but not decisive, although on that terrain where was he actually going to go? Even if he had dropped his breakaway companions, there was no hope of soloing for the win. And with tomorrow's stage it was better to not flagelate oneself for a couple of seconds gained.
I think tomorrow could be a contest between Contador and Porte principally, however, certainly Aru and Pozzovivo (though he may not be as brilliant) could be major factors in the end results. While I can't even eliminate the possibility of a Froome resurrection as he has produced before. Even Valverde may have something to say, since his true worth today was ruined by a lack of concentration.
I think tomorrow could be a contest between Contador and Porte principally, however, certainly Aru and Pozzovivo (though he may not be as brilliant) could be major factors in the end results. While I can't even eliminate the possibility of a Froome resurrection as he has produced before. Even Valverde may have something to say, since his true worth today was ruined by a lack of concentration.
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