2015 Vuelta Stage 11: Andorra la Vella>Cortals d'Encamp 138k

[No_Balls]

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Imagine Landa at Sky next year dom'ing for Froome
on the steepest peak - is he going to wait for dawg?

Would he even dom in the first place or "take his own freedom"?

 

[shalgo]

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Dumoulin winning the whole thing would perhaps be the biggest upset in cycling history. Come on Tom!

Horner,
remember

And Cobo

Well, it is an odd-numbered year.

 

[Red Rick]

Landa probably sign to be Giro team leader, not to be a random ass Sky borg

 

[bala v]

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Purito even got time on the Dumoulin group in the last km. He just rode really strong.

Podium is now a realistic goal indeed.

Podium?! Your boy should aim for the highest step, he's strong, he's much more experienced than Aru, who will make a mistake somewhere or fade, believe me! He had enough podiums, all or nothing!

 

[TourOfSardinia]

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Landa probably sign to be Giro team leader, not to be a random ass Sky borg

Isn't Geraint Thomas is the true anointed for the Giro?

 

[Rollthedice]

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Dumoulin winning the whole thing would perhaps be the biggest upset in cycling history. Come on Tom!

Horner,
remember

And Cobo

Nothing compares to Froome almost winning in 2011.

 

[Red Rick]

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Landa probably sign to be Giro team leader, not to be a random ass Sky borg

Isn't Geraint Thomas is the true anointed for the Giro?

I highly doubt it.

 

[Walkman]

Re: 2015 Vuelta Stage 11: Andorra la Vella>Cortals d'Encamp

- Did the team give you freedom today?
- Nope, I did.

Landa post interview.

Mikel Landa - The unsung hero of professional cycling!

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

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Aru quite clearly the best climber in the race. I think he'll win this Vuelta, he has 3 more MTF's too destroy Dumoulin and get a little bit more time on Purito, that's all the time he needs before the TT.

Yeah, but this was the hardest MTF. And he won back 1'40 instead of '5.

The other mountain stages are incomparable to this one. So he won't get that much time. Proably another 1'30 should be enough

 

[Hugo Koblet]

Re: Re:

Dumoulin winning the whole thing would perhaps be the biggest upset in cycling history. Come on Tom!

Horner,
remember

And Cobo

While Horner and Cobo's victories indeed were big surprises, they wouldn't even come close to Dumoulin winning.

 

[johnymax]

Impressive performances by Landa, Moreno, Dumoulin and Aru (although from him it was expected). Good rides also by Purito, Majka and Nieve.

Dumoulin is surprising, but then again, not that much. He did the same in Tour de Suisse. Today he lost 1:37 to Aru,the same amount of time as he lost to Pinot on the Rettenbachferner stage.

The GC is very interesting now but with Aru a clear favourite for the win. Purito and Majka are in a nice position to strike, while Dumoulin is still there to fight for a podium spot. I also hope the Movistar duo will ride more aggressively in the upcoming stages if they recover well.

 

[Red Rick]

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Aru quite clearly the best climber in the race. I think he'll win this Vuelta, he has 3 more MTF's too destroy Dumoulin and get a little bit more time on Purito, that's all the time he needs before the TT.

Yeah, but this was the hardest MTF. And he won back 1'40 instead of '5.

The other mountain stages are incomparable to this one. So he won't get that much time. Proably another 1'30 should be enough

He only needs 2 more minutes, the remaining MTF's are really big and if Dumoulin by miracle leads the GC after the TT he'll get isolated and clobbered in the final mountain stage

 

[Billie]

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Aru quite clearly the best climber in the race. I think he'll win this Vuelta, he has 3 more MTF's too destroy Dumoulin and get a little bit more time on Purito, that's all the time he needs before the TT.

Yeah, but this was the hardest MTF. And he won back 1'40 instead of '5.

The other mountain stages are incomparable to this one. So he won't get that much time. Proably another 1'30 should be enough

ermita de alba is very similar to today

 

[roundabout]

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Aru quite clearly the best climber in the race. I think he'll win this Vuelta, he has 3 more MTF's too destroy Dumoulin and get a little bit more time on Purito, that's all the time he needs before the TT.

Yeah, but this was the hardest MTF. And he won back 1'40 instead of '5.

The other mountain stages are incomparable to this one. So he won't get that much time. Proably another 1'30 should be enough

He only needs 2 more minutes, the remaining MTF's are really big and if Dumoulin by miracle leads the GC after the TT he'll get isolated and clobbered in the final mountain stage

only if he gets dropped downhill because those climbs are not that hard

 

[ice&fire]

Re: Re:

Aru quite clearly the best climber in the race. I think he'll win this Vuelta, he has 3 more MTF's too destroy Dumoulin and get a little bit more time on Purito, that's all the time he needs before the TT.

Yeah, but this was the hardest MTF. And he won back 1'40 instead of '5.

The other mountain stages are incomparable to this one. So he won't get that much time. Proably another 1'30 should be enough

He only needs 2 more minutes, the remaining MTF's are really big and if Dumoulin by miracle leads the GC after the TT he'll get isolated and clobbered in the final mountain stage

The isolation card is useless if there is only one wheel to follow.

 

[Gigs_98]

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Aru quite clearly the best climber in the race. I think he'll win this Vuelta, he has 3 more MTF's too destroy Dumoulin and get a little bit more time on Purito, that's all the time he needs before the TT.

Yeah, but this was the hardest MTF. And he won back 1'40 instead of '5.

The other mountain stages are incomparable to this one. So he won't get that much time. Proably another 1'30 should be enough

ermita de alba is very similar to today

The stage in general yes. The final climb not at all. Todays mtf was steep but not super steep, so perfect for Aru. Ermita de Alba is one of these super steep climbs with sections of over 20%, that doesnt really suit Aru, while it might be perfect for dumoulin

 

[Billie]

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Aru quite clearly the best climber in the race. I think he'll win this Vuelta, he has 3 more MTF's too destroy Dumoulin and get a little bit more time on Purito, that's all the time he needs before the TT.

Yeah, but this was the hardest MTF. And he won back 1'40 instead of '5.

The other mountain stages are incomparable to this one. So he won't get that much time. Proably another 1'30 should be enough

He only needs 2 more minutes, the remaining MTF's are really big and if Dumoulin by miracle leads the GC after the TT he'll get isolated and clobbered in the final mountain stage

The isolation card is useless if there is only one wheel to follow.

katusha, Movistar and Astana already got him today. Dumoulin was lucky Cherel and Montaguti were there to help Pozzovivo

 

[roundabout]

Re: Re:

Aru quite clearly the best climber in the race. I think he'll win this Vuelta, he has 3 more MTF's too destroy Dumoulin and get a little bit more time on Purito, that's all the time he needs before the TT.

Yeah, but this was the hardest MTF. And he won back 1'40 instead of '5.

The other mountain stages are incomparable to this one. So he won't get that much time. Proably another 1'30 should be enough

ermita de alba is very similar to today

The stage in general yes. The final climb not at all. Todays mtf was steep but not super steep, so perfect for Aru. Ermita de Alba is one of these super steep climbs with sections of over 20%, that doesnt really suit Aru, while it might be perfect for dumoulin

This may be one of the weirdest sentences ever written in this forum.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

they only got him because he couldn't get his rain jacket on in time on the Gallina.. it was a stupid mistake

 

[malakassis]

people should understand that fatigue is accumulated. but it is basically a nonlinear phenomen. you cant simply extrapolate from stage 11 to stage 16 and so on. dumoulin has to lift these 12kg+ compared to climbers on and on. he will lose massive time

 

[ray j willings]

For me ,todays stage was unexciting. Aru is another level right now and the tour riders look very tired. Froome looks like he may be out and no one looks like they can challenge Aru. We need a unknown factor to get this race lit up.

 

[Pricey_sky]

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For me ,todays stage was unexciting. Aru is another level right now and the tour riders look very tired. Froome looks like he may be out and no one looks like they can challenge Aru. We need a unknown factor to get this race lit up.

I'd love it if Purito was to challenge Aru and finally get his win but sadly I think age is creeping up on him.

 

[skidmark]

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people should understand that fatigue is accumulated. but it is basically a nonlinear phenomen. you cant simply extrapolate from stage 11 to stage 16 and so on. dumoulin has to lift these 12kg+ compared to climbers on and on. he will lose massive time

Yeah exactly, saying 'x rider gained y time on this stage and it's much harder than the other stages, therefore he won't gain as much time on those stages' is ignoring the most important aspect of today's stage - how it affects riders' fatigue levels. That's why I think Rodriguez has a better chance of winning the Vuelta than Dumoulin, and that's why I think Aru has a better chance than any of the riders who rode the Tour.

Seeing the basic endgame of all the training as a casual fan can lead one to overly simplistic conclusions. There's a reason why Contador is a favourite for every GT he's in, while riders who apocryphally drop everyone in training like Jesus Hernandez and Fabio Duarte are pretty anonymous in the peloton. Or why Coen Vermeltfoort isn't dominating the sprint world but Mark Cavendish did for years. Or why Simon Spilak or Rui Costa can win one week races but have never been close in a GT. There's the micro element of fatigue of being able to stay with the pack day by day and still have energy at the end, and then there's the linear time element of accumulated fatigue. You can have the numbers and the power-to-weight ratio, but you still have to shine on both elements of racing fatigue to be at the pointy end.

 

[DFA123]

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Aru quite clearly the best climber in the race. I think he'll win this Vuelta, he has 3 more MTF's too destroy Dumoulin and get a little bit more time on Purito, that's all the time he needs before the TT.

Yeah, but this was the hardest MTF. And he won back 1'40 instead of '5.

The other mountain stages are incomparable to this one. So he won't get that much time. Proably another 1'30 should be enough

ermita de alba is very similar to today

I think it's potentially a harder stage than today. The Cobertoria is an absolutely brutal climb and will break several guys; to then have such a steep finish to Alba after that is going to see massive gaps. The climbs on that stage are also signifcantly steeper than today, so it won't be possible to soft pedal the first 80km. And it comes the day after a brutal finish to Jito de Escarandi, not after an easy stage and a rest day.

 

[The Hitch]

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Dumoulin winning the whole thing would perhaps be the biggest upset in cycling history. Come on Tom!

Horner,
remember

And Cobo

While Horner and Cobo's victories indeed were big surprises, they wouldn't even come close to Dumoulin winning.

Cobo's was not really that big a surprise. Plenty had him down as a favourite pre Vuelta especially after Burgos.

Horner was massive. I personaly did not think a 35+ year old person could win a gt. to do it at 42. And in that style. To get the 2nd best time ever on Angliru and totally destroy Nibali in the last 3 days.

Way bigger than Dumoilin in my opinion.