2015 Vuelta Stage 7: Jódar>La Alpujarra (191.1k)

[Red Rick]

Uran is just a bad example, he didn't really fade, he was somewhat inconsistent and only really blew on the apocalypse stage Quintana won. He got 3rd in the MTT and was the 2nd best climber on the Zoncolan

Btw, sticky plz?

 

[Ruudz0r]

Chaves faded in both his GTs so far, though he didnt have the expectation to go for the GC before (this time he does)

 

[Tank Engine]

Re:

Uran is just a bad example, he didn't really fade, he was somewhat inconsistent and only really blew on the apocalypse stage Quintana won. He got 3rd in the MTT and was the 2nd best climber on the Zoncolan

Btw, sticky plz?

Uran in the 2011 Tour is a better example. I know it's a bit unfair, since he got ill and lost the white jersey. But
Ryo did say "I don't remember a Columbian EVER fading in a gt".

However, generally speaking, Columbians' powers of recuperation seem to be very good.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

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Chaves faded in both his GTs so far, though he didnt have the expectation to go for the GC before (this time he does)

chaves returned from career ending injury and was literally in hospital bed for months. he didn't have a good base for at least 2 years. also this year he got injured after strade bianche and couldn't train for a while. for a rider with such a small base he needs absolutely nothing against him.

 

[May0maniac]

Apparently Aru had back problems because of the crash, I don't know what to expect from him.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

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In accordance with good old phrase - we'll see who won't win the race.
Too early for long distance heroism. It's going to be tempo almost to the top. It's just that type of a climb at that point in the race.

I like that!

I believe the triathlon version is "you can't win the race in the water, but you can lose it".

Have we decided whether to allow triathletes on bikes yet?

 

[armchairclimber]

Looking for Pozzo or Meintjes today.... with Froome and Valverde not too far behind.

 

[sir fly]

Txurruka, Quintero, Cousin, Lindeman, Koshevoy - break of the day.

 

[SafeBet]

I had hopes of some better names in there. Gap around 9 minutes at the moment.

 

[sir fly]

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I had hopes of some better names in there. Gap around 9 minutes at the moment.

Might be good for Txurruka, if he convinces the colleagues to keep the gap above 7 minutes till the bottom of the climb.
It's the first big summit finish, who knows...

 

[Ruudz0r]

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Chaves faded in both his GTs so far, though he didnt have the expectation to go for the GC before (this time he does)

chaves returned from career ending injury and was literally in hospital bed for months. he didn't have a good base for at least 2 years. also this year he got injured after strade bianche and couldn't train for a while. for a rider with such a small base he needs absolutely nothing against him.

I am aware of that, but he still faded as he started well and ended in the gruppeto's not saying there wasnt a reason for it (even pointed it out)

 

[No_Balls]

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we will see. he would be the first colombian I can ever remember to fade at any gt.

Henao?

Meija in 1993. He was 2nd after the Alps. But he did falter in the Pyrenees and finished 4th

Wouldnt exactly call that "fade" since the only time he, according to everything colombian expert Ryo, did use EPO or transfusions was nowhere close of being a top rider. His fourth place in 1993 was so good that even when fading he did deliver his best performance of his career.

 

[ILovecycling]

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Chaves faded in both his GTs so far, though he didnt have the expectation to go for the GC before (this time he does)

chaves returned from career ending injury and was literally in hospital bed for months. he didn't have a good base for at least 2 years. also this year he got injured after strade bianche and couldn't train for a while. for a rider with such a small base he needs absolutely nothing against him.

Thats true, but he focused on GC last year(from interviews) and it didnt work out.

 

[Sasquatch]

Who wins the stage? Txurruka or Quintero. Hopefully Quintero.

They need 3 minutes at the base of the climb to survive. They will get that.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Who wins the stage? Txurruka or Quintero. Hopefully Quintero.

They need 3 minutes at the base of the climb to survive. They will get that.

lol

 

[SafeBet]

Who wins the stage? Txurruka or Quintero. Hopefully Quintero.

They need 3 minutes at the base of the climb to survive. They will get that.

I think they need 5 minutes.

 

[sir fly]

Who wins the stage? Txurruka or Quintero. Hopefully Quintero.

They need 3 minutes at the base of the climb to survive. They will get that.

I'm afraid they'll need at least twice as that to have a chance.

 

[jens_attacks]

no one will chase this i guess. they have it. txurru wins

 

[Escarabajo]

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we will see. he would be the first colombian I can ever remember to fade at any gt.

Ummmm... Uran 2014 Giro? Started off real strong and looked like he could win, then imploded.

I don't call that fading in my dictionary.

Fading is starting with the top contenders on week 1 and going with the Grupetto on week 3.

 

[Escarabajo]

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Uran is just a bad example, he didn't really fade, he was somewhat inconsistent and only really blew on the apocalypse stage Quintana won. He got 3rd in the MTT and was the 2nd best climber on the Zoncolan

Btw, sticky plz?

Uran in the 2011 Tour is a better example. I know it's a bit unfair, since he got ill and lost the white jersey. But
Ryo did say "I don't remember a Columbian EVER fading in a gt".

However, generally speaking, Columbians' powers of recuperation seem to be very good.

This is a better example!

Fatigue and weakeaning can make a rider ill anyway. So we need to take excuses with a grain of salt. We usually don't know the actual truth behind it.

 

[Sasquatch]

Who wins the stage? Txurruka or Quintero. Hopefully Quintero.

They need 3 minutes at the base of the climb to survive. They will get that.

lol what kind of drugs are you on?

3 minutes will be enough for a climber like Txurruka. The climb isn't that hard.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Who wins the stage? Txurruka or Quintero. Hopefully Quintero.

They need 3 minutes at the base of the climb to survive. They will get that.

lol what kind of drugs are you on?

3 minutes will be enough for a climber like Txurruka. The climb isn't that hard.

no the fact that they will never be able to take back 9 minutes before the climb and 3 minutes also isn't enough if they go full speed from the bottom.

 

[Sasquatch]

Who wins the stage? Txurruka or Quintero. Hopefully Quintero.

They need 3 minutes at the base of the climb to survive. They will get that.

lol what kind of drugs are you on?

3 minutes will be enough for a climber like Txurruka. The climb isn't that hard.

no the fact that they will never be able to take back 9 minutes before the climb and 3 minutes also isn't enough if they go full speed from the bottom.

Who is going to go full speed to chase a meaningless break? Katusha so they can gift another stage to someone and have Rodriguez miss out on bonus seconds again? Nope. He can make time if he wants with the other favourites. Movistar? Maybe. Garmin? Nope not strong enough. Sky? No, they are conserving their energy for the harder stages and Froome doesn't have the legs at the moment. Astana? Same reason as Sky. They are depleted and want to be stronger later in the race. OGE? No, providing Chaves doesn't lose the jersey they don't care. They would be happy to have him have an easy day. Saxo? No. They have a stage win already and would prefer to rest up so Sagan can chase more success.

 

[sir fly]

Who wins the stage? Txurruka or Quintero. Hopefully Quintero.

They need 3 minutes at the base of the climb to survive. They will get that.

lol what kind of drugs are you on?

3 minutes will be enough for a climber like Txurruka. The climb isn't that hard.

no the fact that they will never be able to take back 9 minutes before the climb and 3 minutes also isn't enough if they go full speed from the bottom.

Who is going to go full speed to chase a meaningless break? Katusha so they can gift another stage to someone and have Rodriguez miss out on bonus seconds again? Nope. He can make time if he wants with the other favourites. Movistar? Maybe. Garmin? Nope not strong enough. Sky? No, they are conserving their energy for the harder stages and Froome doesn't have the legs at the moment. Astana? Same reason as Sky. They are depleted and want to be stronger later in the race. OGE? No, providing Chaves doesn't lose the jersey they don't care. They would be happy to have him have an easy day. Saxo? No. They have a stage win already and would prefer to rest up so Sagan can chase more success.

Wanna bet?

 

[Sasquatch]

I'll do an avatar bet that someone from this break of 5 is going to win the stage. Yes.

Make something up and if I lose I'll wear it for 12 months after the stage.