2016 Critérium du Dauphiné, 2.UWT, June 5-12

[Miburo]

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btw I'm still laughing my *** off at the guys claiming valgren had any chance today :L

Thank god you never said something *** in your life

 

[Taxus4a]

I am not sure for the criterium for gaps.. Does it the front wheel what counts or the other wheel to the front whell of the next rider??

 

[Rollthedice]

Great day for Sky, Kwia attacks then looses 13 minutes, Poels dropped, Henao useless attack and Froome sprints for nothing.

 

[Taxus4a]

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btw I'm still laughing my *** off at the guys claiming valgren had any chance today :L

i hoped more from the last Km, but they got it from a little downhill and in a 30 riders peloton, so it was quite quick... but anyway although Herrada won and GVA was there it was an stage more for climbers than puncheurs...

 

[Taxus4a]

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Great day for Sky, Kwia attacks then looses 13 minutes, Poels dropped, Henao useless attack and Froome sprints for nothing.

And the worse, his stronger man here loses 21 seconds...

But they put the race hard, so I aplaude!

 

[Netserk]

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I am not sure for the criterium for gaps.. Does it the front wheel what counts or the other wheel to the front whell of the next rider??

The rule is really stupid. There has to be a whole second from when the rear wheel crosses the line to when the next rider's front wheel touches the line, so in other words there has to be a full second of 'air' between the riders.

 

[BigMac]

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btw I'm still laughing my *** off at the guys claiming valgren had any chance today :L

You are the least self–aware person I have ever known.

 

[DFA123]

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Great day for Sky, Kwia attacks then looses 13 minutes, Poels dropped, Henao useless attack and Froome sprints for nothing.

Surely must be part of a long term strategy, losing so much time. Perhaps planning on sending Kwiat or Poels up the road later to help Froome later in the race or to go for stages?

Bit harsh to criticize Henao and Froome. Henao's attack wasn't bad, but he spent too much energy bridging over to Gallopin's group and then couldn't sprint. And Froome was just making sure he definitely wasn't going to be gapped by other GC (and almost gained a gap to Contador); plus an outside chance of bonus seconds.

 

[Poursuivant]

Strange Kwiatoswki was so bad, his prologue was good, and Poels actually

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

tbh poels didn't look like he was trying really hard when he got dropped. Froome is the clear leader here. You see even Landa didn't try to hang on in the end

 

[Broccolidwarf]

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Let's see what Contador does in the mountains, but not looking that good so far in a cat 3.

In all fairness he lost the time on the flat-ish end and it doesn't really show anything. If Contador had dropped then yes but he was fine. Let's see first tomorrow and then Meribel especially.

Exactly. By the end climb was over and Contador didn't struggle on the actual climb.

I don't agree - Froome is not better than Contador on the flat .... they are about equal on TT - and have been for a long while.... so Froome should not be able to drop Contador from his wheel like that - there is clearly a difference in form.

Question just is, if Contador has timed his form to peak later than Froome, like week 2 in TdF..... Can't remember the TdF route by heart - are there any big climbs in the first week?

Alberto is a terrible sprinter. He always drifts backwards in a flat sprint. It's a miracle he nearly managed to beat Froome in Oman 3 years ago.
There is no difference in form - at least, Contador isn't in worse form than Froome. Have you forgotten the prologue already?

I have not forgotten the prologue.... I said myself they are pretty equal in a TT.

But, climbing is a different animal and we've seen Contador ride well in the mountains before, despite less than stellar TT performances.

All I am saying is, that he may have timed his form differently than Froome, which is not necessarily a bad thing.

I'm not a Contador hater btw

 

[Broccolidwarf]

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tbh poels didn't look like he was trying really hard when he got dropped. Froome is the clear leader here. You see even Landa didn't try to hang on in the end

Agreed - I think they are both saving strength when they can - it's not this race where it counts, so no need to go into red.

 

[Valv.Piti]

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tbh poels didn't look like he was trying really hard when he got dropped. Froome is the clear leader here. You see even Landa didn't try to hang on in the end

Poels simply got dropped. Aint nobody just dropping for the fun of it, deal with it, he had a bad day. He was never really in the front, even in the bottom only Kwia, Henao, Landa and Froomey. He was 5th for crying out loud, why would he drop? Don't give me that helping Froome - its quite clear that if you had the legs today, everyone was free to go.

 

[Brullnux]

Froome and Contador have similar form IMO. Contador beat him in the prologue as was to be expected really and Froome outsprinted him here on a slightly uphill finish. No problems for either of them so far. The final triplet of stages will show us more, but I epxext them to be similar, especially on Meribel.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Great day for Sky, Kwia attacks then looses 13 minutes, Poels dropped, Henao useless attack and Froome sprints for nothing.

I'm laughing so hard, you put it perfectly. They had 4 guys in the top 13, and now 1

 

[Orbit501]

I assume Bardet losses time today, because despite the fall happening in the last 3km, it was a same team touch of wheels rather than a crash holding lots of riders up?

Shame to see , but might get his pecker up and encourage him to attack more now, which of course can only be a good thing.

 

[Valv.Piti]

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Great day for Sky, Kwia attacks then looses 13 minutes, Poels dropped, Henao useless attack and Froome sprints for nothing.

I'm laughing so hard, you put it perfectly. They had 4 guys in the top 13, and now 1

Kwia was testing his legs, Poels was straight up bad and Henao and Landa tried to win a stage and Froome tried to gain a few seconds in the end. Aint nothing wrong with that apart from Poels sucking today which happens, maybe tone the agenda a bit down

 

[DNP-Old]

Checho already improving. Give the man his Tour spot!

 

[Brullnux]

Kwiat needs to make his crank length shorter.

 

[DNP-Old]

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Great day for Sky, Kwia attacks then looses 13 minutes, Poels dropped, Henao useless attack and Froome sprints for nothing.

I'm laughing so hard, you put it perfectly. They had 4 guys in the top 13, and now 1

Lol. When Sky do their usual robot climbing, it's boring. When they actually attack, it isn't good either. No offense to you btw, just this forum in general.

 

[lenric]

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I assume Bardet losses time today, because despite the fall happening in the last 3km, it was a same team touch of wheels rather than a crash holding lots of riders up?

Shame to see , but might get his pecker up and encourage him to attack more now, which of course can only be a good thing.

The last 3 km rule only applies in flat stages.

 

[SeriousSam]

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So Contador lost time today due to weakness? Interesting. I think it will be close in the mountains, and I wouldn't be surprised if Froome drops him.

btw I'm still laughing my *** off at the guys claiming valgren had any chance today :L

You are the least self–aware person I have ever known.

Honestly, it's an admirable trait I wish I had.

 

[Jakub]

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tbh poels didn't look like he was trying really hard when he got dropped. Froome is the clear leader here. You see even Landa didn't try to hang on in the end

Agreed - I think they are both saving strength when they can - it's not this race where it counts, so no need to go into red.

Yes, they all attacked for fun, the attacks didn't stick because they didn't go to red and then dropped because they were bored. Shame the camera didn't catch Poels yawning.

 

[Broccolidwarf]

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I am not sure for the criterium for gaps.. Does it the front wheel what counts or the other wheel to the front whell of the next rider??

The rule is really stupid. There has to be a whole second from when the rear wheel crosses the line to when the next rider's front wheel touches the line, so in other words there has to be a full second of 'air' between the riders.

I don't think it's stupid - if you can't hold a wheel, you lose time.... how else would you set up a rule? - How big would the gap need to be?

As for the rule specifically, the second part is, that when a gap occurs, it's not the time to the guy in front of the gap, it's the time to the first guy in the group in front..... so, if a gap opens between rider 89 and 90, the gap to the front might be 10-12 seconds.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Great day for Sky, Kwia attacks then looses 13 minutes, Poels dropped, Henao useless attack and Froome sprints for nothing.

I'm laughing so hard, you put it perfectly. They had 4 guys in the top 13, and now 1

Lol. When Sky do their usual robot climbing, it's boring. When they actually attack, it isn't good either. No offense to you btw, just this forum in general.

Oh, not saying it wasn't good, it's just funny to see them fail so badly but it was nice to see them try and of course this doesn't mean they'll fail on the other stages