2016 Critérium du Dauphiné, 2.UWT, June 5-12

[Valv.Piti]

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tbh poels didn't look like he was trying really hard when he got dropped. Froome is the clear leader here. You see even Landa didn't try to hang on in the end

Agreed - I think they are both saving strength when they can - it's not this race where it counts, so no need to go into red.

Yes, they all attacked for fun, the attacks didn't stick because they didn't go to red and then dropped because they were bored. Shame the camera didn't catch Poels yawning.

Haha, true. Utter nonsense. They won't be needed the 2 next days anyways, really.

 

[Orbit501]

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btw I'm still laughing my *** off at the guys claiming valgren had any chance today :L

I think just the word bully would suffice for here, because that's precisely what Ryo is.

I really hope it's just an internet persona (sad though it is), because if it's for real then s/he must have some real issues going on.

You are the least self–aware person I have ever known.

 

[Carols]

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Great day for Sky, Kwia attacks then looses 13 minutes, Poels dropped, Henao useless attack and Froome sprints for nothing.

You forgot Landa's savage attack

 

[Arredondo]

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Signs of life by Purito. I know he didn't get the win, but maybe he can pick up his form for the rest of the year.

This. He even lost some speed after getting blocked between Greg and some other guy. 7th of the GC guys. And the finish was not even that good for him.

He will be good in the Tour!

 

[DFA123]

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tbh poels didn't look like he was trying really hard when he got dropped. Froome is the clear leader here. You see even Landa didn't try to hang on in the end

Agreed - I think they are both saving strength when they can - it's not this race where it counts, so no need to go into red.

Yes, they all attacked for fun, the attacks didn't stick because they didn't go to red and then dropped because they were bored. Shame the camera didn't catch Poels yawning.

If Kwiatkowski managed to lose 15 minutes in the last 10km or so, then he clearly was throwing away time on purpose to completely remove himself from the GC picture. There is no way a rider like him - even in awful form and having completely blown up - would lose over a minute per km on that part of the climb, which had considerable flat and downhill sections if he was seriously trying.

 

[SeriousSam]

Did Aru, Pinot and Porte lose any time today?

 

[Samamba]

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Did Aru, Pinot and Porte lose any time today?

Aru did.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

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btw I'm still laughing my *** off at the guys claiming valgren had any chance today :L

You are the least self–aware person I have ever known.

and you don't even know me

 

[Arredondo]

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Did Aru, Pinot and Porte lose any time today?

Nope. Although it would be justified if they did.

Aru lost 21 seconds though.

 

[Valv.Piti]

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tbh poels didn't look like he was trying really hard when he got dropped. Froome is the clear leader here. You see even Landa didn't try to hang on in the end

Agreed - I think they are both saving strength when they can - it's not this race where it counts, so no need to go into red.

Yes, they all attacked for fun, the attacks didn't stick because they didn't go to red and then dropped because they were bored. Shame the camera didn't catch Poels yawning.

If Kwiatkowski managed to lose 15 minutes in the last 10km or so, then he clearly was throwing away time on purpose to completely remove himself from the GC picture. There is no way a rider like him - even in awful form and having completely blown up - would lose over a minute per km on that part of the climb, which had considerable flat and downhill sections if he was seriously trying.

IMO Kwito always completely sits up when he doesn't have it, he just doesn't seem to care at that point anymore. Anyways, Im quite sure Henao, Landa and Poels went with everything they had - they will be more valuable being high in the GC and for Landa and Heano, they aren't 100% for the Tour still so they will obviously give it their all.
Also this is way different from Sky 12/13. While Froome is the big leader, in a race like the Dauphine when Froome isn't 2013-levels, there is much more room on stages like this. And there will be in the following days as well

 

[May0maniac]

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tbh poels didn't look like he was trying really hard when he got dropped. Froome is the clear leader here. You see even Landa didn't try to hang on in the end

Poels simply got dropped. Aint nobody just dropping for the fun of it, deal with it, he had a bad day. He was never really in the front, even in the bottom only Kwia, Henao, Landa and Froomey. He was 5th for crying out loud, why would he drop? Don't give me that helping Froome - its quite clear that if you had the legs today, everyone was free to go.

Poels often has a bad day even in shorter stage races, in a few days he could be in monster shape on a really steep climb, the guy's rather inconsistent.

 

[lenric]

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Did Aru, Pinot and Porte lose any time today?

Aru lost 19 seconds.

 

[Valv.Piti]

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tbh poels didn't look like he was trying really hard when he got dropped. Froome is the clear leader here. You see even Landa didn't try to hang on in the end

Poels simply got dropped. Aint nobody just dropping for the fun of it, deal with it, he had a bad day. He was never really in the front, even in the bottom only Kwia, Henao, Landa and Froomey. He was 5th for crying out loud, why would he drop? Don't give me that helping Froome - its quite clear that if you had the legs today, everyone was free to go.

Poels often has a bad day even in shorter stage races, in a few days he could be in monster shape on a really steep climb, the guy's rather inconsistent.

Exactly. I just opposed the always objectively D_T's notion that he just dropped 'because why not'. Inconsistency/bad day, same same.

 

[Broccolidwarf]

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Great day for Sky, Kwia attacks then looses 13 minutes, Poels dropped, Henao useless attack and Froome sprints for nothing.

I'm laughing so hard, you put it perfectly. They had 4 guys in the top 13, and now 1

Lol. When Sky do their usual robot climbing, it's boring. When they actually attack, it isn't good either. No offense to you btw, just this forum in general.

Oh, not saying it wasn't good, it's just funny to see them fail so badly but it was nice to see them try and of course this doesn't mean they'll fail on the other stages

I never got why certain fans relish failure....

 

[BigMac]

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btw I'm still laughing my *** off at the guys claiming valgren had any chance today :L

I think just the word bully would suffice for here, because that's precisely what Ryo is.

I really hope it's just an internet persona (sad though it is), because if it's for real then s/he must have some real issues going on.

You are the least self–aware person I have ever known.

Hey Orbit, please fix the quote above. I only wrote the bolded.

 

[Kwibus]

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Great day for Sky, Kwia attacks then looses 13 minutes, Poels dropped, Henao useless attack and Froome sprints for nothing.

I'm laughing so hard, you put it perfectly. They had 4 guys in the top 13, and now 1

Kwia was testing his legs, Poels was straight up bad and Henao and Landa tried to win a stage and Froome tried to gain a few seconds in the end. Aint nothing wrong with that apart from Poels sucking today which happens, maybe tone the agenda a bit down

Agreed. They gave it a go with the riders they had and Poels was like were used from Poels. Some days he's great and some days he's crap.
For some people Sky always fails, no matter what. Well they did fail, but they did try to animate the race.

 

[Kwibus]

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So Contador lost time today due to weakness? Interesting. I think it will be close in the mountains, and I wouldn't be surprised if Froome drops him.

btw I'm still laughing my *** off at the guys claiming valgren had any chance today :L

You are the least self–aware person I have ever known.

Honestly, it's an admirable trait I wish I had.

My god. I hope your being typical SeriousSam, because how in the world can that be an admirable trait is beyond me

 

[DFA123]

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IMO Kwito always completely sits up when he doesn't have it, he just doesn't seem to care at that point anymore. Anyways, Im quite sure Henao, Landa and Poels went with everything they had - they will be more valuable being high in the GC and for Landa and Heano, they aren't 100% for the Tour still so they will obviously give it their all.
Also this is way different from Sky 12/13. While Froome is the big leader, in a race like the Dauphine when Froome isn't 2013-levels, there is much more room on stages like this. And there will be in the following days as well

Agreed, although I think Landa was perhaps just setting up Henao's attack, because he went on a relatively flat part of the climb - which was completely opposed to his strengths.

It was a strange climb though and difficult to read too much into it I think. You had rouleurs and puncheurs like Herrada and GVA alongside GC contenders - with quite a few reasonably climbers nowhere to be seen.

Kreuziger, for example, lost nearly a minute in the lasst 2-3km. He imploded way more than Landa and Henao, without putting in anywhere near such an attack.

 

[Jspear]

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btw I'm still laughing my *** off at the guys claiming valgren had any chance today :L

You are the least self–aware person I have ever known.

and you don't even know me

"out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks (the fingers type on the keyboard)"

 

[Red Rick]

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btw I'm still laughing my *** off at the guys claiming valgren had any chance today :L

You are the least self–aware person I have ever known.

and you don't even know me

 

[Netserk]

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I am not sure for the criterium for gaps.. Does it the front wheel what counts or the other wheel to the front whell of the next rider??

The rule is really stupid. There has to be a whole second from when the rear wheel crosses the line to when the next rider's front wheel touches the line, so in other words there has to be a full second of 'air' between the riders.

I don't think it's stupid - if you can't hold a wheel, you lose time.... how else would you set up a rule? - How big would the gap need to be?

As for the rule specifically, the second part is, that when a gap occurs, it's not the time to the guy in front of the gap, it's the time to the first guy in the group in front..... so, if a gap opens between rider 89 and 90, the gap to the front might be 10-12 seconds.

I would prefer if it was a second between front wheel and front wheel, instead of between rear wheel and front wheel. As it is now, if the rule is followed to the letter, a rider who wins solo but stops on the line with his wheels on each side of it, only to completely cross the line after the second rider crosses the line a minute afterwards with the bunch coming home some time after, would not gain any time on the second rider. Or said in other words, the second rider would gain a minute on the bunch purely because there artificially wasn't a gap between the two first riders.

Other than that small change, which would be enough for me, I would prefer if there was completely individual timing on stages where the 3km rule isn't in effect (so that Froome would be awarded today for his sprint).

 

[Rollthedice]

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Great day for Sky, Kwia attacks then looses 13 minutes, Poels dropped, Henao useless attack and Froome sprints for nothing.

You forgot Landa's savage attack

Damn, I missed it!

 

[rick james]

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btw I'm still laughing my *** off at the guys claiming valgren had any chance today :L

we get it, you like to laugh at folks predictions

 

[Broccolidwarf]

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I am not sure for the criterium for gaps.. Does it the front wheel what counts or the other wheel to the front whell of the next rider??

The rule is really stupid. There has to be a whole second from when the rear wheel crosses the line to when the next rider's front wheel touches the line, so in other words there has to be a full second of 'air' between the riders.

I don't think it's stupid - if you can't hold a wheel, you lose time.... how else would you set up a rule? - How big would the gap need to be?

As for the rule specifically, the second part is, that when a gap occurs, it's not the time to the guy in front of the gap, it's the time to the first guy in the group in front..... so, if a gap opens between rider 89 and 90, the gap to the front might be 10-12 seconds.

I would prefer if it was a second between front wheel and front wheel, instead of between rear wheel and front wheel. As it is now, if the rule is followed to the letter, a rider who wins solo but stops on the line with his wheels on each side of it, only to completely cross the line after the second rider crosses the line a minute afterwards with the bunch coming home some time after, would not gain any time on the second rider. Or said in other words, the second rider would gain a minute on the bunch purely because there artificially wasn't a gap between the two first riders.

Other than that small change, which would be enough for me, I would prefer if there was completely individual timing on stages where the 3km rule isn't in effect (so that Froome would be awarded today for his sprint).

On the first part... meh.... in a sport that is sometimes won or lost on 1/100 second, I don't like the idea of a full bike length being given to the guy in front..... In reality, all you need to do to get the same time, is reach his back wheel - not his front wheel, so to me saying front wheel to front wheel makes no sense.

Also, there are scenarios where you can't see the front wheel, when it's a big bunch.

On the second thing, while I agree with you in principle, especially baring in mind the 1/100 thing.. .. there is the danger of crashes, if groups of 10+ riders get to the finish together, especially if your front wheel to front wheel thing is implemented as well, as they will then all fight to be in front, and the road is not wide enough for 10.

 

[Netserk]

Huh? Either I don't understand what you wrote in your first paragraph or you misunderstood me. There still has to be a full second between the two wheels, I just think the second should be between the two riders' front wheels.

Edit: an illustration of how the rule is now.